"All Nippon Entertainment Works" Opens the Pipeline of Anime To Hollywood
10 Titles Planned for First 3 Years
Courtesy of 6 billion yen, from the public-private partnership Innovation Network Corporation of Japan (INCJ), the All Nippon Entertainment Works is opening shop this month. The joint venture between companies in the anime industry and Hollywood film business aims to adapt movies based on anime, then loop the cycle back through spin-off development of games, books and other profitable merchandise.
All Nippon Entertainment Works will acquire the rights to the anime from their Japanese holders, then collaborate with American producers and scriptwriters. The current aim is to develop ten titles in its first three years with an investment of 3 billion yen.
Company currently participating include Asmik-Ace Entertainment, Dentsu, Fuji Television Network, Mitsubishi Corporation, Nikkatsu Corporation, Production I.G, TOHO-TOWA Company, Tokyo Broadcasting System Television, and the Tomy Company.
via Anime News Network and Asahi Shimbun
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Hmm... doesn't make much sense right now but I am interested to see how it will turn out
11/4/11 by kitsuneshoujo
I will with hold trollish flaming until I see how badly Holyweird fucks up Akira.
11/4/11 by BattlerEndless9
This has nothing to do with the live action Akira, and I wish this site had censors for comments.
11/4/11 by kitsuneshoujo
And I wish this site had a censor for your comments... it has everything to do with it. "adapt movies from anime." Holywood only does one thing and thats live action movies.
11/4/11 by nerdfromhel
Looks like you only managed to with hold those flames for a grand 19 minutes max. By the way, no, the live action akira has nothing to do with the article or the ICNJ mentioned above, so stop your petty, idiotic troll like raging.
If you think I'm wrong, post your statement on how I'm wrong so I may correct you.
P.S. THe live action Akira has been in development for YEARS, the article above is about something relatively new.
If you think I'm wrong, post your statement on how I'm wrong so I may correct you.
P.S. THe live action Akira has been in development for YEARS, the article above is about something relatively new.
It's true that the two (Akira and this announcement) don't have anything to do with each other. But I believe that initially (key word, initially), he meant something more with the meaning of:
"I will not comment on how much fail this is going to be before I watch the Akira live action and see how badly Hollywood makes another live-action adaption failure of one of my favorite series/movies."
Although it has been in production for years, the release of the Akira live-action, and its most likely, immediate fail, sets a clear cut line of how much other live action adaptions of anime/movies is going to fail, because we already have bad opinions because of the fail that was DBZ and Avatar live action.
However, am looking forward to the part about cycling "back through spin-off development of games, books and other profitable merchandise." Hopefully, some games that haven't been translated will get translated now.
"I will not comment on how much fail this is going to be before I watch the Akira live action and see how badly Hollywood makes another live-action adaption failure of one of my favorite series/movies."
Although it has been in production for years, the release of the Akira live-action, and its most likely, immediate fail, sets a clear cut line of how much other live action adaptions of anime/movies is going to fail, because we already have bad opinions because of the fail that was DBZ and Avatar live action.
However, am looking forward to the part about cycling "back through spin-off development of games, books and other profitable merchandise." Hopefully, some games that haven't been translated will get translated now.
11/4/11 by BattlerEndless9
No, he clearly said they have everything to do with each other when they do not.
I see. But my points remain valid.
"Holywood only does one thing and thats live action movies." LOL, what on Earth are you talking about?
You have to understand that some people have low expectations from this development, while some other people have high expectations, and others are neutral. You can't disregard another person's opinion like that. Regardless whether your right or wrong. Use your freedom of speech in a responsible way.
I'm very skeptical about this.
11/4/11 by nerdfromhel
Let's hope that this new venture actually stays involved with the development process and helps Hollywood learn how to preserve the original work.
11/4/11 by sandmonkey1
I Just hope whatever the do make,they don't suck. It will give anime an even bigger stigma in America.
I don't expect much from this....
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Sounds cool but...
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Sounds cool but...
11/4/11 by PhoenixBlaze
"adapt movies based on anime" huh, for some reason I was thinking Gundam; Hollywood is capable of making a Gundam Live Action movie I mean look at Transformers.
11/4/11 by AnoCRMem
Hmm... As a Transformers fan I can comfortably say that using those live-action films as an example of Hollywood's ability to adapt mecha to live-action is really not a good choice.
Also, a Gundam live-action movie was already made. It's called G-Saviour. If you can still find it anywhere, it'll probably cost you next to nothing to get your own copy.
Also, a Gundam live-action movie was already made. It's called G-Saviour. If you can still find it anywhere, it'll probably cost you next to nothing to get your own copy.
Hmm... as a person with common sense and a business degree I can comfortably say that using a franchise that grossed over a billion dollars at the box office as an example is a great choice.
11/5/11 by AnoCRMem
You appear to lack enough common sense to use the tone of the conversation to pick up on what this is really about. Very few of these comments have been about the financial viability of a Hollywood adaption of a property. After all, as the Transformers live-action movies prove, throw in alot of explosions and some flashy CGI, then nothing else matters in making it a financial success. Good story, good acting, good dialogue, none of these factor in at all.
The big concern in the majority of comments has been that the tone and personality of the original properties would be lost in the Hollywood adaptions. That is exactly what happened with the live-action Transformers movies.
BTW, insultingly mocking the tone of someone else's opinions while trying to use justifications for your attempt to qualify your own opinion as superior consisting of:
1. A degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on (several people I know can attest to this from their own personal experience as well as many news articles), and ---
2. a vague quality that most intelligent people can agree that those who claim to have it, in fact, do not ---
is generally not considered a wise idea.
The big concern in the majority of comments has been that the tone and personality of the original properties would be lost in the Hollywood adaptions. That is exactly what happened with the live-action Transformers movies.
BTW, insultingly mocking the tone of someone else's opinions while trying to use justifications for your attempt to qualify your own opinion as superior consisting of:
1. A degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on (several people I know can attest to this from their own personal experience as well as many news articles), and ---
2. a vague quality that most intelligent people can agree that those who claim to have it, in fact, do not ---
is generally not considered a wise idea.
11/4/11 by TerraGamerX
I'll be open to what's coming, but seeing those budgets make me squirm considering other records. I don't think it's doomed to fail, but I fear they may have to "get it wrong to get it right" with how Hollywood is known to perform.
Great idea for people.
Well i hope they don't come out as a Failure attempt like they did to the Dragon Ball Z movie, the graphics were cheesy and so was the story line and the people on it, Don't change the story from its original story, If its not broken then don't fix it. keep it real and fallow the story line, characters voice, personalities and locations compared to the original.
seems cool lol and nice symbol there xD
Who? Me? Ouu thanks :D that symbol is whats on the Middle of the Portuguese Flag :D I know u gona say its the most beautiful symbol u seen, well what can i say.... When its done Portuguese its Done Right :D
11/4/11 by Kazuma1982
I'm pretty sure that Shintarō Ishihara is behind this. A hater through and through of the "culture" of today's Japan and he wishes to bury it all in the ground but at the same time know that its futile he will make it hard on them as possible and try to make some profit by promoting it to foreigners.
11/4/11 by KaiserSosei
As much as I'm trying to have an open and positive mind on this, my common sense, 6th sense, spider sense...you name it....all give me this sinking feeling that this can only lead to very bad outcomes. Having heard from friends who used to work "in the Biz" about what Hollywood is really like, I don't put much faith in American movie producers trying to "respect the original works". They're first and foremost a "company" town.
Oh why do people have to make movies out of everything? Sometimes a medium should just be left as it is. It doesn't always HAVE to be made into a movie to be made better.
Oh why do people have to make movies out of everything? Sometimes a medium should just be left as it is. It doesn't always HAVE to be made into a movie to be made better.
11/4/11 by dokudokugwo
You summed up what I was going to say in my second comment really well... manga into anime (books/movies) is the natural cycle, two very different forms of entertainment that usually translate well, at least in the case of manga to anime... even at that there are many fans who think the adaptation gets screwed up all the time.
Why in the world Hollywood and a fair amount of people in the world, think everything has to be made into a movie, or live action, or even dubbed into their own language is beyond me. For me anime is enjoyed because of the language it's made in, the fact it's animated, and the stories... Hollywood takes away all of those... leaving me with nothing.
The bigger thing that surprises me is how many people still hold out hope for a good adaption of an anime... with countless numbers of comic book, game, and even a few anime titles already fucked up beyond belief... how could anyone say "this might be good".
Why in the world Hollywood and a fair amount of people in the world, think everything has to be made into a movie, or live action, or even dubbed into their own language is beyond me. For me anime is enjoyed because of the language it's made in, the fact it's animated, and the stories... Hollywood takes away all of those... leaving me with nothing.
The bigger thing that surprises me is how many people still hold out hope for a good adaption of an anime... with countless numbers of comic book, game, and even a few anime titles already fucked up beyond belief... how could anyone say "this might be good".
11/4/11 by nerdfromhel
All I have to say is this made me laugh, not to be mean or anything, but it has alot of flaws.
Transfering any story from one medium to another, or translating it to another language, doesn't mean instant death, infact it doesn't hold any meaning at all on how it will end up. What matters is WHO is handling it.
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You hand it off to someone who doesn't truely care about the story and communicating it and is directing a project for a check, and that's what they'll do, do it for the check.
Give it to someone who admires the story and wants to spread it in all it's glory. It can be, well, glorious! (See, Peter Jackson and his little old adaptation of a small triology of books that are colectively known as "The Lord of the Rings")
So really, it's more a matter of who works on a project and less about the medium.
Transfering any story from one medium to another, or translating it to another language, doesn't mean instant death, infact it doesn't hold any meaning at all on how it will end up. What matters is WHO is handling it.
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You hand it off to someone who doesn't truely care about the story and communicating it and is directing a project for a check, and that's what they'll do, do it for the check.
Give it to someone who admires the story and wants to spread it in all it's glory. It can be, well, glorious! (See, Peter Jackson and his little old adaptation of a small triology of books that are colectively known as "The Lord of the Rings")
So really, it's more a matter of who works on a project and less about the medium.
Yes, but as is clearly obvious from the latest adaptions, i.e. Avatar and DBZ, they don't even read or watch the actual series. And that's saying a lot, since Avatar is American.
It's kind of obvious that most people, including me, has a really bad opinion of anime to live action translation.
I mean, for the Death Note adaption - "Get rid of the demon. We don't want the kid to be evil." Really? How can you have Death Note without that? Sure he "assures his audience that both (very important) story elements are back in the script and everything is going just as planned", but is that even possible? They just tried to chuck one of the most important features out the door.
Also, your reference to "TLotR" is invalid. In the first place, they are a completely different style. TLotR is about a group of people, with a 3rd person viewpoint. However, most light novels and manga are about a closely knit, small group of people, usually with a 1st or 2nd person viewpoint.
Secondly, I doubt anyone who is actually any good at making movies will make something from an anime or manga, because they would much rather do a n american book or series which has much more popularity, which in turn would turn in more profits than making an anime which only a niche part of the community knows about.
Finally, it's pretty obvious that the style of Anime and Manga doesn't appeal to Americans. As an example, DBZ:
As a movie, it was ok. However, they took the characters names and setting, completely eliminating any character traits or initial plot. For example, Goku is completely different, being changed from a very pure, hero character into one which is interested in Sex, etc. All American traits.
This appeals to American watchers, because they like that kind of stuff. But it completely fails when anime fans watch it, because Goku isn't like that. And so, they hate it. And in the first place, the people who would actually buy something of that level are people who are anime fans. If they think its no good, dvd sales go down the drain, turning the movie into a completely failed project.
Taking that, an American live action adaption will completely americanise the anime/manga. Because that's what sells in America - Sex, pointless action, and blood. But Most anime and manga don't have that in the first place, and the ones that do, well... let's just say they wouldn't make a good live action adaption because of the plot that it has, or it shouldn't be allowed to be made into a live action in the first place.
As said before: The people who work on these projects, most likely, won't be any famous, made producer. They would be doing famous and popular adaptions of already popular, american style books, etc. As such, people who will be working on these anime productions are probably going to be newcomers who will attempt to americanise the anime in an attempt to get more profits from American fans.
It's kind of obvious that most people, including me, has a really bad opinion of anime to live action translation.
I mean, for the Death Note adaption - "Get rid of the demon. We don't want the kid to be evil." Really? How can you have Death Note without that? Sure he "assures his audience that both (very important) story elements are back in the script and everything is going just as planned", but is that even possible? They just tried to chuck one of the most important features out the door.
Also, your reference to "TLotR" is invalid. In the first place, they are a completely different style. TLotR is about a group of people, with a 3rd person viewpoint. However, most light novels and manga are about a closely knit, small group of people, usually with a 1st or 2nd person viewpoint.
Secondly, I doubt anyone who is actually any good at making movies will make something from an anime or manga, because they would much rather do a n american book or series which has much more popularity, which in turn would turn in more profits than making an anime which only a niche part of the community knows about.
Finally, it's pretty obvious that the style of Anime and Manga doesn't appeal to Americans. As an example, DBZ:
As a movie, it was ok. However, they took the characters names and setting, completely eliminating any character traits or initial plot. For example, Goku is completely different, being changed from a very pure, hero character into one which is interested in Sex, etc. All American traits.
This appeals to American watchers, because they like that kind of stuff. But it completely fails when anime fans watch it, because Goku isn't like that. And so, they hate it. And in the first place, the people who would actually buy something of that level are people who are anime fans. If they think its no good, dvd sales go down the drain, turning the movie into a completely failed project.
Taking that, an American live action adaption will completely americanise the anime/manga. Because that's what sells in America - Sex, pointless action, and blood. But Most anime and manga don't have that in the first place, and the ones that do, well... let's just say they wouldn't make a good live action adaption because of the plot that it has, or it shouldn't be allowed to be made into a live action in the first place.
As said before: The people who work on these projects, most likely, won't be any famous, made producer. They would be doing famous and popular adaptions of already popular, american style books, etc. As such, people who will be working on these anime productions are probably going to be newcomers who will attempt to americanise the anime in an attempt to get more profits from American fans.
11/4/11 by nerdfromhel
You ever here about the supposed Live action evangelion film? If not, you should look at it's histroy, and be suprised at who wanted to work on it, quite a few big actors. NOt just actors, but also had WETA (You know, guys that made awesome stuff from Halo, did all the cgi for Lord of the rings)
Second, how is LotR an invalid point? It was to demonstarte that stories can translate from one medium to another. DOn't like that example, fine, I'll just say book to movie, manga to anime, movie to game, anime/manga to live action (Death Note, Warner Bros JP) still doesn't change the point that transfering these stories from one medium to another isn't bad.
A movies quality has always been due to the script, the actors, the director, and resources play a SMALL roll ultimately. FInd the right group of people, get them together, and a good film can be produced.
Oh, and You'd be surprised at what many of our "famous, made" producers have tried to make happen as far as anime adaptations go. Some awesome plans, but they usually fell under due to the studios having trouble negotiating. The usual reason why adaptations don't get made.
Second, how is LotR an invalid point? It was to demonstarte that stories can translate from one medium to another. DOn't like that example, fine, I'll just say book to movie, manga to anime, movie to game, anime/manga to live action (Death Note, Warner Bros JP) still doesn't change the point that transfering these stories from one medium to another isn't bad.
A movies quality has always been due to the script, the actors, the director, and resources play a SMALL roll ultimately. FInd the right group of people, get them together, and a good film can be produced.
Oh, and You'd be surprised at what many of our "famous, made" producers have tried to make happen as far as anime adaptations go. Some awesome plans, but they usually fell under due to the studios having trouble negotiating. The usual reason why adaptations don't get made.
1. The actors and CGI teams do NOT have anything to with this. THe reason I gave for DBZ being bad is because the director americanised the whole story and plot. I never made one mention of it being terrible CG or the acting being terrible. The plot and setting wasn't even at a level for me to start complaining about it.
2. LoTR is invalid, because it is not "cross culture". LotR was written by an english man, and the movie was made by an english man. Obviously, both were successful in the Western scene, because they had what the Western mass wanted. However, what the ideals and values of Eastern and Western culture is very different. If you've ever watched a traditional Asian movie, very generally, it doesn't involve the protagonists kissing and having sex on screen, whilst it is very prominent in Western movies.
I never once said anything about the actual translation of mediums being bad. I was saying what happens in the process when it crosses over to different cultures being bad. i.e. my points about DBZ (above post, 7th paragraph).
3. A movies quality has always been due to everything working together. Sure, that's quite right. But some things are worth more than others, especially when compared to an already established medium, such as anime.
Fans of the original adaption will buy the movie if it is true to the original BECAUSE of it is a translation. They won't care that the actors are bad. For example, there are people who buy anime just because they're favourite voice actors are in it. They don't care about the plot, just the characters.
The above point is valid, because when bringing it from anime to live action, there is no connection between the two except the setting, plot, and characterisation. If it isn't there, than the fans of the original don't buy. And it has been very obvious, like in DBZ.
4. I'm not too entirely sure on this. Can you give me some links?
2. LoTR is invalid, because it is not "cross culture". LotR was written by an english man, and the movie was made by an english man. Obviously, both were successful in the Western scene, because they had what the Western mass wanted. However, what the ideals and values of Eastern and Western culture is very different. If you've ever watched a traditional Asian movie, very generally, it doesn't involve the protagonists kissing and having sex on screen, whilst it is very prominent in Western movies.
I never once said anything about the actual translation of mediums being bad. I was saying what happens in the process when it crosses over to different cultures being bad. i.e. my points about DBZ (above post, 7th paragraph).
3. A movies quality has always been due to everything working together. Sure, that's quite right. But some things are worth more than others, especially when compared to an already established medium, such as anime.
Fans of the original adaption will buy the movie if it is true to the original BECAUSE of it is a translation. They won't care that the actors are bad. For example, there are people who buy anime just because they're favourite voice actors are in it. They don't care about the plot, just the characters.
The above point is valid, because when bringing it from anime to live action, there is no connection between the two except the setting, plot, and characterisation. If it isn't there, than the fans of the original don't buy. And it has been very obvious, like in DBZ.
4. I'm not too entirely sure on this. Can you give me some links?
oh crap.... guess i'll just sit back and watch this destruction..?
11/4/11 by KaiserSosei
For me it's not even about the language it's made in. Translations are a natural part of the art world. Whether it be poetry or literature or plays or movies & TV shows, translating has been going on for as long as there has been art. For me it's the transition from one medium to another. No one medium is better than any other. Each has it's own strengths and limitations. And a lot of the anime & manga that I love were written specifically with those mediums in mind. Those mediums offer special advantages that you can't always get in Live Action.
And add to that the problem of trying to condense a 13, 26, 52 or more episode series into a 2 hour movie and no matter how hard you try, you will always have someone saying "oh they left this part out" or "such & such character wasn't in it". That's why i say most of the time an anime series is fine they way it is.
And add to that the problem of trying to condense a 13, 26, 52 or more episode series into a 2 hour movie and no matter how hard you try, you will always have someone saying "oh they left this part out" or "such & such character wasn't in it". That's why i say most of the time an anime series is fine they way it is.
I'm still waiting for a purely American produced Anime based in America, and I don't mean crap like Avatar. I mean like a school life comedy.
In the first place, the term "Anime" (in this forum) is translated as, "Japanese cartoon".
If a "purely American produced Anime based in America", the "Purely" part already rules it out as "anime". It is called a "cartoon".
Secondly, American people don't buy that stuff. They look for other things, such as sex, pointless violence, and blood. In the case of children, Slapstick comedy.
If you want an example of what an "American Produced anime" would be like, watch "Panty and Stocking". It has american style animation, american style plot, american style ideals. But it's made in Japan. That's the only difference.
If a "purely American produced Anime based in America", the "Purely" part already rules it out as "anime". It is called a "cartoon".
Secondly, American people don't buy that stuff. They look for other things, such as sex, pointless violence, and blood. In the case of children, Slapstick comedy.
If you want an example of what an "American Produced anime" would be like, watch "Panty and Stocking". It has american style animation, american style plot, american style ideals. But it's made in Japan. That's the only difference.
11/4/11 by BattlerEndless9
"Secondly, American people don't buy that stuff. They look for other things, such as sex, pointless violence, and blood. In the case of children, Slapstick comedy."
You obviously have no idea what you're saying anymore so you're relying on generalizations.
You obviously have no idea what you're saying anymore so you're relying on generalizations.
Yes, but most people agree that Japanese anime is best voiced with Japanese voice actors, who actually do what they do for a living, and actually like it.
American translations of the series usually ends up not being any good, because the voice actors aren't any good. I don't have a problem if the voice actors are actually good, for example, Pokemon, Digimon and Rurouni Kenshin (Samurai X) actually had quite well done voice acting. However, you couldn't say that about most other anime, which is the problem most people have with it.
P.S. German dub of Inuyasha is EPIC
American translations of the series usually ends up not being any good, because the voice actors aren't any good. I don't have a problem if the voice actors are actually good, for example, Pokemon, Digimon and Rurouni Kenshin (Samurai X) actually had quite well done voice acting. However, you couldn't say that about most other anime, which is the problem most people have with it.
P.S. German dub of Inuyasha is EPIC
11/4/11 by BattlerEndless9
"who actually do what they do for a living, and actually like it."
A lot of English voice actors "do what they do" for a living and they do actually like it.
A lot of English voice actors "do what they do" for a living and they do actually like it.
11/5/11 by AnoCRMem
Indeed.
There have also been enough good English VAs for a long enough time that most non-churn dubbed anime is just as good as the original Japanese VAs.
Then there's some like Cowboy Bebop. The original director of the series, upon hearing the English dubs, said that those voices were exactly what the characters should sound like, rather than the original voices for the show.
I think it's pretty hard to support the statement that "most people agree that Japanese anime is best voiced with Japanese voice actors" (except when it's actually airing in Japan, of course) these days.
There have also been enough good English VAs for a long enough time that most non-churn dubbed anime is just as good as the original Japanese VAs.
Then there's some like Cowboy Bebop. The original director of the series, upon hearing the English dubs, said that those voices were exactly what the characters should sound like, rather than the original voices for the show.
I think it's pretty hard to support the statement that "most people agree that Japanese anime is best voiced with Japanese voice actors" (except when it's actually airing in Japan, of course) these days.
Okay, both points are true. But if you take a look at the majority of less mainstream, english dubbed anime, such as, Lucky Star, and Haruhi, the voices DO NOT WORK. I'm sure that it's pretty obvious that the majority of anime with english dubs do not end up with good voice actors, in the way that, "they don't fit the characters".
When I said, "who actually do what they do for a living, and actually like it.", it was spur of the moment. Let me rephrase, "Who actually do what they do for a living, and actually fit the majority of characters they do, breathing life and uniqueness into the characters, rather than sounding bored, over enthusiatic, or like overblown traits of a characters personality."
Having said that, that ws very spur of the moment too.
When I said, "who actually do what they do for a living, and actually like it.", it was spur of the moment. Let me rephrase, "Who actually do what they do for a living, and actually fit the majority of characters they do, breathing life and uniqueness into the characters, rather than sounding bored, over enthusiatic, or like overblown traits of a characters personality."
Having said that, that ws very spur of the moment too.
After saying all this stuff, I reckon a live action adaption of "Bloody Monday" would do very well. Dealing with terorists, nuclear bombs, hackers, government, conspiracies, etc. it's what people in Western Culture would buy. It's also very simple to do, in that there is no CG needed, quick short, action scenes, and a single linear plot, which doesn't require any "Americanisation". Except maybe the age of the MC would have to be changed, which kinda removes some of the epicness, but would still make for a good adaption.
11/4/11 by pika-pika-shuuichi
...I'm not exactly sure what to think... I feel like over-Americanization of anime (into an English dub, manga, film, or any other media) is a very horrible thing. Frankly, this is pretty insane news, if you ask me... I don't like the idea of American actors physically portraying anime characters in official works. Voice acting, fine. Cosplaying for fun, fine. But in official works...? It seems just wrong, to me... Besides, aren't most anime characters supposed to be Japanese? Of course there are many exceptions, but I'd say the majority are... I think it would be so weird to look at American actors portraying such characters... I mean, if they're Japanese, part Japanese, or even some other kind of East-Asian, maybe it wouldn't look so awkward... But even so, what of the names? I'm sure we are all familiar with the absolutely horrible pronunciation some anime dub actors have... It would be just so much more awkward actually seeing them mispronounce it... Somehow, I highly doubt every single actor in these films will be able to pronounce the Japanese names... Let's face it, there are just some people who just can't, that's fine... In everyday life. But not when you're acting as a Japanese character... The only fix I can see for this, would be to Americanize the characters' names, location names, cultural references, and any other things with Japanese names/words/titles. But that would just cause more problems with Americanization. So I don't know how this can possibly work out... So basically, I have extremely low expectations for this... I highly doubt anything good will come from it, but if something good does happen, I'll believe it if/when I see it. Apologies for the negativity, but I feel how I feel, and that's that.
11/5/11 by BattlerEndless9
"I'm not exactly sure what to think... I feel like over-Americanization of anime (into an English dub, manga, film, or any other media) is a very horrible thing."
What? English dubs aren't "Americanization" or a horrible thing and neither is translating a manga.
"Frankly, this is pretty insane news, if you ask me. "
And no one asked you.
"Voice acting, fine. Cosplaying for fun, fine. But in official works...?"
Voice acting, unless it's a fan-dubbed, IS an official work.
"I'm sure we are all familiar with the absolutely horrible pronunciation some anime dub actors have... "
Surely you're not too familiar with many, because there are a lot that can pronounce well. And in some cases, it's directors that say what way things should be pronounced.
What? English dubs aren't "Americanization" or a horrible thing and neither is translating a manga.
"Frankly, this is pretty insane news, if you ask me. "
And no one asked you.
"Voice acting, fine. Cosplaying for fun, fine. But in official works...?"
Voice acting, unless it's a fan-dubbed, IS an official work.
"I'm sure we are all familiar with the absolutely horrible pronunciation some anime dub actors have... "
Surely you're not too familiar with many, because there are a lot that can pronounce well. And in some cases, it's directors that say what way things should be pronounced.
"Surely you're not too familiar with many, because there are a lot that can pronounce well. And in some cases, it's directors that say what way things should be pronounced."
I don't think he/she was talking about pronuniciation, but more of Accent. Watch the Haruhi, Lucky Star, and Kanon english dub trailers. You'll see what the person above means.That being said, he/she probably doesn't have a great accent he/herself.
In Japanese, the syallbles are... flat. It sounds more like, if you take Haruhi's example, Suzumiya Haruhi is said, "_ _ _ _ _ _ _". But if you would listen to the Haruhi English trailer it goes more like... "Suzumiya Haruhi", "_ _ /\ _ /\ _ _"
Each "_" and "/\" is one syllable.
Another example - In the DBZ movie - "Goku" should be "_ _". In the movie, they said, "/\ _" or "_ /\". resulting in a GOku. or goKU accent. Which is totally terrible.
Again, "Kamehameha" is a Kame Hame Ha, with accents being "_ _ _ _ _". In the movie, they went "Kameha Meha", with it being "_ /\ _ _ _", which totally ruins the moment.
Finally, "Gozaru" should be gozaru, "_ _ _". In the movie, it was more of a goZAru, with an accent like "_ /\ _".
I think that's what the op was on about.
I don't think he/she was talking about pronuniciation, but more of Accent. Watch the Haruhi, Lucky Star, and Kanon english dub trailers. You'll see what the person above means.That being said, he/she probably doesn't have a great accent he/herself.
In Japanese, the syallbles are... flat. It sounds more like, if you take Haruhi's example, Suzumiya Haruhi is said, "_ _ _ _ _ _ _". But if you would listen to the Haruhi English trailer it goes more like... "Suzumiya Haruhi", "_ _ /\ _ /\ _ _"
Each "_" and "/\" is one syllable.
Another example - In the DBZ movie - "Goku" should be "_ _". In the movie, they said, "/\ _" or "_ /\". resulting in a GOku. or goKU accent. Which is totally terrible.
Again, "Kamehameha" is a Kame Hame Ha, with accents being "_ _ _ _ _". In the movie, they went "Kameha Meha", with it being "_ /\ _ _ _", which totally ruins the moment.
Finally, "Gozaru" should be gozaru, "_ _ _". In the movie, it was more of a goZAru, with an accent like "_ /\ _".
I think that's what the op was on about.
I have a bad feeling about this...
11/5/11 by admiral1983
i just wonder how they intend to acquire the rights from the anime creators and what happens if they are unwilling to sell their work and given hollywoods current track record with anime adaptions all they may do is alienate alot of loyal anime fans. to me it sounds like they are just going to milk it for all they can whether the adaption is a success or failure
I can't wait to see what there first couple titles will be.
I find it interesting that a lot of people blame hollywood for making these movies suck instead of the creaters and owners of the properties. if i created a manga that became successful developed into an anime and someone wanted to make it into a movie. i would be EXTREMELY strict on them about getting it right i wouldnt just let them take it of my hands and do what they want with it. i would want to be included in every step of the process along the way to make sure i was happy the the end result. I wouldnt sell out my own work for some cash, i think thats a reason why a lot of these movies turn out bad.
11/5/11 by AnoCRMem
The problem with manga creators attempting to defend their work against being poorly altered when being made into a movie is that in most cases, the creators are at best, only half-owners of the their intellectual property.
Usually, the corporation that owns the magazine that the manga is published in claim at least half of the intellectual property rights of a given work.
That's just how things work in the manga industry.
Since, as most people should already be aware, the only real concern that most corporations have is money, any manga creator's personal input into an anime and/or movie will be buried, unless the director of such works wants that. Fortunately, anime directors usually welcome that form of input.
Unfortunately, that form of input is usually not welcomed in foreign countries (for many and varying reasons).
Usually, the corporation that owns the magazine that the manga is published in claim at least half of the intellectual property rights of a given work.
That's just how things work in the manga industry.
Since, as most people should already be aware, the only real concern that most corporations have is money, any manga creator's personal input into an anime and/or movie will be buried, unless the director of such works wants that. Fortunately, anime directors usually welcome that form of input.
Unfortunately, that form of input is usually not welcomed in foreign countries (for many and varying reasons).
11/5/11 by antisoul
i can see three possible outcomes: 1) all the movies are bad and make no money causing anime to look like a bad investment. 2) the movies come out all americanized with simplified plots but do surprisingly well in the box office causing hollywood to continue to think animated show are only for children. 3) most of the movies that come out are faithful for inspired adaptations that will entertain me completely some of the movies suck but thats ok the good ones develop a fanbase both wide and diverse causing many to become aware leading to more americans appreciating animation as a way to tell a story and thus a new age of american animation is begun where every show isnt a commercial for action figures and every movie isnt CG animals dancing and singing for an hour where animated show are writtens for adults as well as children and teens. ... then i wake up in a puddle of drool, and wipe the sleep from my eyes.
11/5/11 by KaiserSosei
"Transfering any story from one medium to another, or translating it to another language, doesn't mean instant death, infact it doesn't hold any meaning at all on how it will end up. What matters is WHO is handling it"
Never said it was instant death. Just making a point that a story doesn't have to be adapted into a movie just for the sake of making it into a movie. Where it says above that their aim is "to adapt movies based on anime", if by that they mean taking movies in Japan that are animated (like the works of Hayao Miyazaki or Makoto Shinkai) and adapting them into Western films, that's one thing. And even then there are plenty of opportunities to mess things up. IF they get the right ppl working on the script, IF they get the right actors to fit the parts, IF they get the cooperation of all the higher ups in the studio....etc....IF they have all of these many variables going for them then THEORETICALLY a good adaptation can be made, yes. And that depends on having a lot, and I mean a LOT of things working together just so perfectly and having all their ducks lined up.
Now if they're just using story ideas and adapting them, that also possibly could work. For instance Akira Kurosawa's classic film "The Seven Samurai" was successfully adapted into a classic American western called "the Magnificent Seven". Theoretically it COULD work, but theoretically communism is a good idea. I don't put much faith in quality adaptations coming thru mainly due to the fact that the Hollywood of today is not the same as the Hollywood of years past..
And that's just taking an Eastern live action movie and making it into a Western live action one. Converting one medium like anime into another medium like live action and you have a whole host of other things to consider. For example, Kenneth Brannaugh is famous for doing amazing adaptations of Shakespeare plays into movies. I loved his work in adapting "Othello" and "Hamlet" into movies. Even so I have to admit what many fans of the bard say is true. His works are written for the stage and are best experienced on the stage. As good a job as Kenneth did on Othello, there were parts that just did not translate well to the big screen. Indeed some parts where he had to turn and start talking to the screen to deliver his monologues came off as laughable and ruined the mood of his scenes.
Take another example: years ago they made a live action version of "Negima" in Japan. You can usually find clips of it on Youtube. It's truly horrible to watch and they tried very hard to stay true to the original source material. Things like that just don't transition from the 2D world to the 3D world very well because there's a lot of things you can't get away with in real life, either realistically or even legally. You would have to either change a lot of the original material and clean it up to make it presentable to a mainstream American audience, or you would end up with something like the Japanese live action Negima.
This is what I mean when I say sometimes it's better to just leave the original alone. This whole idea that everything has to have a movie version, as if that's the ultimate recognition of any story, is just silly.
Never said it was instant death. Just making a point that a story doesn't have to be adapted into a movie just for the sake of making it into a movie. Where it says above that their aim is "to adapt movies based on anime", if by that they mean taking movies in Japan that are animated (like the works of Hayao Miyazaki or Makoto Shinkai) and adapting them into Western films, that's one thing. And even then there are plenty of opportunities to mess things up. IF they get the right ppl working on the script, IF they get the right actors to fit the parts, IF they get the cooperation of all the higher ups in the studio....etc....IF they have all of these many variables going for them then THEORETICALLY a good adaptation can be made, yes. And that depends on having a lot, and I mean a LOT of things working together just so perfectly and having all their ducks lined up.
Now if they're just using story ideas and adapting them, that also possibly could work. For instance Akira Kurosawa's classic film "The Seven Samurai" was successfully adapted into a classic American western called "the Magnificent Seven". Theoretically it COULD work, but theoretically communism is a good idea. I don't put much faith in quality adaptations coming thru mainly due to the fact that the Hollywood of today is not the same as the Hollywood of years past..
And that's just taking an Eastern live action movie and making it into a Western live action one. Converting one medium like anime into another medium like live action and you have a whole host of other things to consider. For example, Kenneth Brannaugh is famous for doing amazing adaptations of Shakespeare plays into movies. I loved his work in adapting "Othello" and "Hamlet" into movies. Even so I have to admit what many fans of the bard say is true. His works are written for the stage and are best experienced on the stage. As good a job as Kenneth did on Othello, there were parts that just did not translate well to the big screen. Indeed some parts where he had to turn and start talking to the screen to deliver his monologues came off as laughable and ruined the mood of his scenes.
Take another example: years ago they made a live action version of "Negima" in Japan. You can usually find clips of it on Youtube. It's truly horrible to watch and they tried very hard to stay true to the original source material. Things like that just don't transition from the 2D world to the 3D world very well because there's a lot of things you can't get away with in real life, either realistically or even legally. You would have to either change a lot of the original material and clean it up to make it presentable to a mainstream American audience, or you would end up with something like the Japanese live action Negima.
This is what I mean when I say sometimes it's better to just leave the original alone. This whole idea that everything has to have a movie version, as if that's the ultimate recognition of any story, is just silly.
hope for the future!
I'm very neutral at this.
-.-.-.-.- oh crap here we go again....
let's just hope that if they evermake a naruto live action movie that it doesn't turn out 2 be crap like the last air bender movie
(i love the original avtar: last airbender seris thou)
let's just hope that if they evermake a naruto live action movie that it doesn't turn out 2 be crap like the last air bender movie
(i love the original avtar: last airbender seris thou)
11/5/11 by Dakaran1
It will, and I will say this, take only one fantastic movie to propel anime to the main stream...so they got to succeed! This will have a major impact on those japanese we people want and those anime series coming over here. They attacked the main problem in the North America head on...hats off to them!
11/5/11 by ichigo0213
really? wow this pissed me off, why why?!?! dont please, fucken hollywood is gonna mess it up, why do they have to ruin it ! dont fucken give rights or anything to companies in the US they are just gonna make it awful just like DB! I prefer and loe the movies that they make in Japan!
11/5/11 by BattlerEndless9
Wow, you're so angry, your entire comment lacks any common sense and makes you look uneducated.
"dont ****** give rights or anything to companies in the US"
That remark is simply beyond stupid.
" they are just gonna make it awful just like DB"
One, you don't know that. Two, that was one movie.
"I prefer and loe the movies that they make in Japan!"
Another spelling error spotted. There are bad movie adaptations made in Japan and other countries as well, such as the first two live action Dragon Ball movies (made in Taiwan & South Korea).
"dont ****** give rights or anything to companies in the US"
That remark is simply beyond stupid.
" they are just gonna make it awful just like DB"
One, you don't know that. Two, that was one movie.
"I prefer and loe the movies that they make in Japan!"
Another spelling error spotted. There are bad movie adaptations made in Japan and other countries as well, such as the first two live action Dragon Ball movies (made in Taiwan & South Korea).
Hmm... sounds interesting. Even if BS comes out of it, atleast it will benefit Japan, and maybe even help the US economy a bit.
11/5/11 by ChibiKeiichi
This has the potential to be freakin amazing. It also has the potential to churn out garbage like that Dragon Ball movie.
11/5/11 by Amyas_Leigh
So they want to make games and stuff based on the movies? since when have those been any good (ex: LOTR 'movie-books' plus the game spinoffs, probably many others) Nevertheless I'll probably see the movies..,.
Y'know, now that I think about it...
A live action IGPX (Immortal Grand Prix) wouldn't be that bad.
A live action IGPX (Immortal Grand Prix) wouldn't be that bad.
I can't help but be sceptical about American/Hollywood adaptations of anime. I don't really know why, I just have a bad feeling about it. Cultural differences, things being lost in translation etc.
I hope I'll be proven wrong!
I hope I'll be proven wrong!
I began to weep violently when I saw Production I.G. & Dentsu up there.
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