Why Don't Japanese People Buy Western Games?

Answers from 2channel posters and blog commenters

Many people on both sides of the ocean have the impression that Japanese gamers are not into Western games. Recently on 2Channel, some commenters were discussing why that might be, but as you can imagine, not everyone agrees that Western games themselves are even the issue. Check out just part of the conversation below:

 

"It's because there are lots of Japanese people who get dizzy from TPS and FPS."

 

 

"It's absolutely due to not enough advertising. Also, thinking specifically of Fallout New Vegas's commercial, the Japanese version was weird. It didn't really convey what the game was about. If that was a translation of the North American commercial, then it could have done with some revision."

 

"It's probably because there are no moe characters or famous, mature voice actresses."

 

"I can't get into 3D Western games because I get dizzy, and with 2D Western games, lots of the time they end up lame because they have so much light gross-out and other kinds of indecency."

 

"If it's a Western game where you don't kill people, then I like it."

 

"All that sells anymore are sequels to famous games…"

 

"Japanese games are so shitty that I can't help but get Western games. On the Japanese side, the less horrible ones are probably pretty much from Nintendo, Capcom, From, and Sandlot." [Note: #19 (see below).]

 

Skyrim 


"Hey, there are lots of good ones like Skyrim and Oblivion, Fallout, CoD, Battlefield, FIFA and 2K Sports games. In fact lately I'm playing nothing but Western games. "

 

"While I agree that Japanese games have lost their spirit and there are fewer titles I want, when I tried some Western games because of that, it hit me, 'Ah, this is still no good.' It's just that kind of vibe, this generation."

 

"Japanese only buy 'things with established value' because they can't judge for themselves. Then, once some the value has been decided, the decision is almost never overturned. That's why all these sequels are spreading like a disease."

 

"People watch Western movies, so I guess it must just be that they are bad at selling games. That or they need to change to fit Japanese tastes."

 

"Because it's Western or because it's Japanese is a nonsensical reason for not buying a game in the first place."

 

"Well yeah. But, if there are no Western games I want to play, then naturally I would play fewer Western games. Well, there is, for example, Ratchet and Clank and Crash Bandicoot, which Japan will take, so you can't say it as a rule."

 

 

"When they brought Crash over to Japan, though, they had that back and forth like 'This won't sell, so put eyebrows on him!' […] If you want to sell, you have to align it with the taste of the people who will buy it." [Note: You can read an accurate account of the changes they made to the character to align with Japanese tastes here.]

 

"Famous major Western games have begun to sell over 100,000 copies. That seems like a good trend…"

 

"There are people who say, about that CoD game that sold like 100,000 copies, "This Square Enix game is awwwweomse, so fun!" What the—" [Note: Square Enix published MW3 in Japan. You can see the actual first week sales numbers for the game in Japan here.]

 

"Like a few years back "Capcom's Gurasefu" right. Man, the people who abbreviate it as Gurasefu are so geeky; why don't they call it GTA?" [Note: Likewise, Capcom published GTAIV in Japan.]

 

"Well, you have to take into account that Famitsu articles never have words like Activision or Infinity Ward in them. It's obviously, therefore, the great accomplishments of Square Enix." [Note: This is not actually the case in Famitsu's coverage, but I guess this is this commenter's impression.]

 

 Modern Warfare 3


"Anyone can tell from appearances whether a game is one that Square Enix imported and licensed…and I've never met anybody who thought Square Enix was the developer. Most people can tell by looking whether a game is made in Japan or the West."

 

"Uhh, there are quite a few people in the world who don't read GeHa [Note: Short for "Game Industry, Hardware," the 2channel board.] etc. It's just cuz we're hanging out in this forum that we know."

 

Some comments from source Hachima Kikou's post of the thread:

 

"If I play Western games, it makes Japanese games seem like freeware."

 

"There's this pattern where beating Western games is too hard, so I end up hating them."

 

"It's just that it's better if I buy and play games I like."

 

"Isn't it that subtitles are bothersome and there are not enough commercials?"

 

"It's all the same to me."

 

 

"Why? Because the stuff you do in them is all the same and BORING. Oblivion, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim―they're all errand running games. They're all the same except for whether you use a gun or a sword. It's boring as hell. And there aren't any bosses! If you can be a robber, steal everyone's stuff, kill civilians—pretty much anything goes, you can beat a Western game."

 

"It's because From games outstrip any Western game."

 

"Not just limited to Western games, it seems like only series will sell. The standard series have multiplied so I guess they just don't have the interest in try something new."

 

"Would anyone say it's because the O and X are backwards?" [Note: The standard button functions are different in American vs. Japanese PlayStation games.]

 

"In comment 19 [Note: I marked it above.]  among the major game companies they nonchalantly slip in a company I never heard of. Sandlot are the people who made Reginleiv?!? How long are you gonna keep stealth marketing?! lol" [Note: lol. There has been a lot of hubbub on Japanese message boards about stealth marketing lately, so this comment was probably pretty amusing to a lot of people. Whether it was actually stealth marketing or not, who knows?]

 

"Japan is just closed off in itself. It's too bad."

 

"[…] If you compare to back in the day, they've begun to sell pretty well. Like they are even recommended."

 

One of the most popular game series in Japan is Capcom's Monster Hunter, which started in 2004.

 

"Rather than saying Western games, just say games in general aren't selling. The games that are selling now are only ones that have been building up a brand since ten years ago. Rather than saying we don't like war games, just say in Japan it's hard to sell anything that is not a series."

 

"[…] Isn't the image that Western game are all war games bad? I hate FPS war games and without exception will not play them, but there are other ones that I like quite a bit. Also, the modeling, from a Japanese perspective, is kind of primitive, or how should I put it… I don't hate them, but when you see the girls in Skyrim, no one thinks they are cute. […]"

 

"When you think of how Korean online games are spreading as they are, the degree of diffusion of so-called Western games is pathetic, lol. Well, these days with the strong yen it's probably not really the time to invest in expensive advertising, so they'll have a hard time going forward as well."

 

This conversation is much longer and still ongoing—there's obviously no way we could cover it all, unfortunately, and I'm sure the topic is one that will spawn threads for years to come. That said, I don't know about you guys, but among all the articles written about East vs. West, it's interesting to get a direct taste of how the Japanese gamers see it.

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too much blood and shooting and stuff =3=
Not all the games are gore filled bullet fests you know :P
agreed, but most games today are like that now ;3
true, but i only play mw3 for fun
Oh? I thought you played mw3 because it's boring.
Sarcasm is always funny.
Yeah, japanese no longer know how to handle violence. I say we leave them that way, it's for their own good.
haha no moe...
horny perverted japanese
SO! Ummmm is there any point to this post? Is it really just a bunch of posts off a forum?
You don't know what 2ch is, do you?
nor does she have to to know this is a ton of rubbish from a forum
i agree after reading the hole thing i leraned nothing except just jargeld opnions, and incoherent statments with few to no facts. Some of the opnions had some weight but most just sounded very close minded.
I'm gonna have to agree with zeon90. I was hoping for a more well thought out argument. Or at least a entertaining rant on the subject.
I'm gunna have to agree that this guy can't type.
why should they buy crappy games if they make the best ones seen
Unsupported close-minded opinion but to each his own.
Unsupported? Have you seen the crap western game companies spew out in the last few years? Albeit there are a few exceptions but most of the stuff that comes out are more of the same old fps franchises. It's like they ran out of ideas for games. I can already see the next CoD/Halo/MW entry/ripoff.
Thats because you''re only looking at the games that have built 7 to 8 game franchises. Realistically there are only about 3 big fps franchises out right now. It's ridiculously to think that western game companies are spewing out crap. Look at Batman: arkham city/asylum. Look at Mass effect 1 and 2. STARE at portal 1 and 2 and tell me that game is crap.
WTF? This is crap? It's a bunch of ignorant people saying stuff and nothing is true all biases. There is no facts to prove these crazy ideas
It is people stating their personal opinion on western games. Of course it is biased, it is opinion.

I think it is interesting seeing a discussion about gaming and perceptions in different cultures. Definitely not crap.
It's the internet dude. 'Nuff said.
Their tastes are entirely different than ours because obviously, they get influenced by the things people use/play in Japan or any other country to be exact.
I agree wuth Tiburonoroano. These are all ingnorant quotes and IMO most of our games are just rehashes of other games. Ex... Call of Duty
Games are rehashed because people enjoyed the content of that game so much that they would like the company to expand the story and bring back their good points to those games while also bringing new possibly better content to the sequels. That would be like saying no movie should ever have a sequel if a game can't.
I don't get it. How come whenever people think of western games they think of CoD. Why not portal or mass effect :(
They should make a game like COD, but instead of solders have cute maids in skirts....Instead GTA have sexy neko women shotting anti matter guns that make the person (with will be all female)
you shot clothes disappear...NOSEBLEED
You want a game for "Asobi ni Ikuyo"? I approve of this idea.
That would be funny if they added that as a secret or to be unlocked with the a code. That would be a funny gimmick indeed to suit the taste of some peeps. lol.
"Also, the modeling, from a Japanese perspective, is kind of primitive, or how should I put it… I don't hate them, but when you see the girls in Skyrim, no one thinks they are cute. […]"

This guy knows whats up.
indeed their not cute duh
You also have to consider the fact that skyrim is supposed to take place in a medieval period where cosmetics and what not didn't exist and people washed themselves in river water and soap was mutton fat, ash and scents from berries or flowers, and hard labor was the only work available.
that's where the modding kicks in XP
funny since the mod community is huge for fallout games in japan and I am personally thankful for that.. They should have posted this as a case/point.
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35097&navtag=file/images.php?id=35097&tab=3
Thanks for that link. Bethesda really does have horrible faces in their games, so modding it like this will make it far more enjoyable.
make sure to follow the instructions.. carefully and back up your stuff
I will be honest. Western games are only good if you want to kill...
Portal, nuff said.
but Chell killed GlaDOS.....sorta
Some games that are based off of anime are actually pretty good (Bleach Heat the Soul) but It really comes down to personal preference.
indeed it doe's because i enjoy a lot of my anime games but i also enjoy some of my western games as well
Errand running games. That is EXACTLY how I feel about Skyrim (which I'm playing right now on the PS3) compared to FF XIII which has a real story. BTW, is it just me or is EVERYONE in Skyrim in need of antidepressants? At least FF XIII has people who aren't bummed out all the time.
FFXIII got so far on my nerves it wasnt funny. and the characters emotions seemed way too cartoon like to me, like that emo boy who lost his mom, or the overly peppy chick, what was her name...oh yea Vanille or something? the black character with the chokobo in his hair was cool, only balanced character, and the guy, who lost his gf? yea.......he is a goddamn Marry sue character, and i HATE those kinds of characters.
Hope lost his mom, probably the most important person in his life, and didn't even shed a tear and decided to fight for her sake, so he's considered an "emo kid"? Vanille, albeit I found her annoying, had the facade of a hyper-active girl to cover up her emotions of guilt over her past. Snow, who I also found annoying, isn't a Mary-Sue at all; what part of him is perfect?

I respect your opinion, but at least get your labels and character understanding straight. But, whatever. Opinions are opinions. It's all good. Lol.
i thought it was well done overall
I understand what both of you are saying and I'm pretty sure there was a failure to communicate in there. Yes the game itself was a great game, and i enjoyed every bit of it, but the script had too much emphasis into the emotions to the point that it wasn't matching to a comfortable point to where it seemed believable. Generally some1 who would go through that would have emotional trauma and would act nothing like that. They definitely wouldn't have had that random "friendship is orgasmic" attitude they had from time to time.
Considering Oblivion took place in a Roman era style time, I'm guessing that they purposefully went with a Medieval style time since the empire was no longer a very significant force, and we all know that the Medieval time was absolutely horrible. Everyone needed anti-depressants back then.
"the girls in skyrim arent cute" WHAT? not all girls in real fucking life are like your anime fueled teenage hormone driven smut-filled fantasies. and no, not all games have to have a moe character. and the fact that western games arent popular in the world of japan doesnt bother me in the slightest. call of duty games are low on my "to play" list. right now, my top 5 games im playing are

5.bayonetta
4.resident evil 5
3.skyrim
2.wwe 12
1.batman-arkham city

some of these are, i presume, japanese games, bayonetta and re5 seem that way, at least, and i dont have a single shooter on that list
side note-i would like to at least not classify RE5 as a shooter, like what they are classifying shooter as..
Uh no...the girls in Skyrim aren't cute. Pleny of Western developers have pulled off good looking girls in videogames that weren't moe fests.

And Bethesda is known for their unnatractive character designs. Skyrim was a push forward, but it's still really missing in that aspect.

Of course, as with anything, there are people who find the designs in Skyrim and other Bethesda games attractive. And that is their opinion. Just like it's our opinion that they're not attractive.
Holy shit, shut up.

Your avatar is very fitting, I must say. There is no need to get all offended just because they don't think the girls in Skyrim are cute.
The girls in Skyrim are Ugly~ end of story, BTW i Love Bayonetta XD
This article was created to show what the JAPANESE GAMERS thoughts are, not the Americans. I don't agree or disagree with any of these quotes, they're just opinions from people with a completely different background. It's ignorant to say that these people are ignorant for thinking what they think.
Seriously, stop being butthurt because others don't think the same way you do.
^ This. Seriously, the amount of people complaining that other people's opinions are wrong is upsetting.
its true they come from different back grounds but it does not justify their opinions to me, they lack understanding of the enjoyment of japanese games
I agree with quite a few of them and I also disagree with some.

People are getting seriously retarded over this

HOW DARE THEY give any criticism to a western game that isn't buying into the marketing ploy of the publishers and sucking everyone's dick.
heh~ wait till the "Fan Boys" read this
Geez, a game is a game. If it's good, I don't give a damn where it came from. I play both japanese and western games frequently. You'd think it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to do the same too, lol.
Different cultures. Japan doesn't like shooters in general, like how America doesn't like RPGs and Visual Novels in general.
JRPGs, I mean.
I love JRPGs. Then again, I act like a hipster compared to most other people. I'm tired of most main stream thing. They're overdone.
indeed i guess
I miss the age of jrps...
There are indeed a lot of RPG type games being developed from the Japanese gaming industry. When I went to E3 couple years back I saw the different genre of games from the different companies. I do notice a lot of RPG from the Japanese companies and hibrid RPG.
I myself is a first person shooter /fighter gamer prefer stealth mode. So I play mission base games like Ninja Gaiden by Temco and Assassin Creed series by french company Ubisoft.
Half of the games in america are pretty bad ... due to the fact that they are all involved with 5 things:
1. WAY too much blood
2. Treats war as a good thing
3.The story most of time is ignored because of multiplayer
4. Most of the heroes are 30( A bad thing)
5. Japan makes the best games I've ever have... So why in the hell would they buy games that have no original concept and no new battle mechanics



P.S. WAY TO DAMN REALISTIC!!!
When you're thirty, or almost thirty, you'll probably change that around to "Most of the heroes are 16 (a bad thing)." XD
yeap thats the trend or was.
agree with you on that. i dont mind the blood depending on what kind of game it is. but the story for alot of games is lacking. nothing so far has compared to Metal Gear's story. in MY opinion anyway. Then again it was made in Japan. lol
Uhm, i've played my fair share of both, but i gotta say that America DOESN'T treat war as a good thing. It's just another way to re-live the moment. Call of Duty for example. Batman didn't have its story ignored, All the Uncharted were great, and so was Assassin's Creed. Japan is full of people who like young chicks, teenage romance, and moe girls left and right. America likes rugged men and gorgeous women, Like George Clooney and Marilyn Monroe and such. The reason why americans use 30 yr old+ people is because typically age is experience. Plus your 5th reason, that's so freakin weaboo of you. I love anime and manga and all things that deal with it, but that's just a dumb ass reason on my book. Look at Disgaea, Knights in Nightmare, Fire Emblem, Record of Agarest War, they all deploy the same type of combat and concept in gameplay. I don't wanna hear that "Oh you can lvl them up with extra exp or shove each other aside from block 2 block" Those are just minor dings to distinguish each other. And i totally attacked you, i'm sorry. =_=" I love both japanese and american games. I believe America's the realist and Japan is the Dreamers, not that i'm critisizing. I love them both.
"Why? Because the stuff you do in them is all the same and BORING. Oblivion, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim―they're all errand running games. They're all the same except for whether you use a gun or a sword. It's boring as hell. And there aren't any bosses! If you can be a robber, steal everyone's stuff, kill civilians—pretty much anything goes, you can beat a Western game."

Agreed.
well i dont really buy western games... truth is if they dont buy them its cuz they r not good enough.. i dont buy them either.. anyways best games are Japanese :D !
all i got to say is..game is art, and art has many different type of styles and many other things..if it captures people interest than they would want to play it, so its all based on the person interest lol, but yea this conversation is interesting though
the japanese only belive in love and peace:)
The Nanking Massacre sure as hell was all about love and peace...
wow bro. You got him there
most western games are FPS and hack an' slash games so its understandable that most japanese dont prefer western games since most of the Japaneses games made are RPGs. Personally im a big JRPG person myself but I wont ignore a good western RPG when I see one. Skyrim for instance is simply pure fun and I cant get enough of it.
Seriously, wanna say America deploys hack and slash? You should talk to Koei bout that, for i think they are the King of Hack n Slash. O_O
"There's this pattern where beating Western games is too hard, so I end up hating them."

I call BS on that one. EVERYONE knows the most difficult games are made by Japanese Dev's. I've been a hardcore gamer since 1984 and it's held true since.
Damn straight! There's a reason why it's called Nintendo Hard. Also Devil May Cry, QED.
After all, Japan is the country that invented Bullet Hell.
Yep, just take a look at the game depicted in your avatar for instance.
Lol agreed
It might be because a majority of the games developed within the US have some kind of sense of "Patriotism" or "religious reference" or "re-used hollywood theme" that people in other countries will never understand.
What's the difference between Timeshift, Crysis and F.E.A.R.? - Their names lol that's a joke btw, no need to flame me. I just get the same "feel" when I play them, so I just buy a new one whenever the graphics become better just for the sake of seeing the new stuff. Shooting around in dark corridors doesn't get any better tho.
F.E.A.R is a supernatural thriller, that was more based around atmosphere than actual hard fights.
Crysis is an advanced super soldier based game that pits you against an alien enemy.
Timeshift is your generic stright shooter with just a "time play" element allowing you to survive/avoid certain devestating effects.

I will point out i am Australian, and work in a games store ;P. that being said our highest preordered games are FXIII-2 and Diablo 3
lol I ain't as much of a avid fan of JRPGs as before. Most of these so-called "story" is usually a band of emotional teenage misfits out to stop armageddon, seriously it's as bland and boring as the next madden/fps game.

And the constant spamming of moe and girly anorexic boys ain't making the situation any better.
Neither are ignorant blanket statements.
Awww you butthurt from my opinion? Need a hug?
No, just making a statement. I don't think I was insulting enough to come across as "butt-hurt," friend.
And yet what you say reeks of hypocrisy.

Its funny how you're saying its silly for people getting offended from the Japanese critizing Western games, yet you get defensive when someone critizes Japanese games.
that's cause western gamers (seem's to me) started the critizing because of moe like japanese games
That's because most western gamers are assholes about it and make stupid blanket statements like

"The characters are gay, emo, everybody has spiky hair, it's too unrealistic, the only people who play these games are fags, anime is for children, these games are made for girls, I wouldnt be caught dead PLAYING THAT SHIT"

Yeah...
If they criticized western games in such an ignorant manner, I would be all over them too.
ignorant and generally disrespectful*
Then you should start educating some people since there's plenty of these "well mannered" comments in this articale flaming western games.

Becuse for the moment your comments are just full of hypnocrisy and double standards.
LMAO had a brain fart there, please ignore the words double standards.
Because they're still not as big of jerks about the whole mess. I don't see why it's important for western games to reign supreme anyway. Honestly, I want the whole fucking debate to stop more than anything. I don't want to pick sides. We shouldn't be fighting over this shit, we never did before.

It's a round world last I checked and I play games from any portion of it, but I will still call out people being dicks against Japanese games because I feel they are bashed WAY too hard compared to western games. It's not fair and pretty soon, if things keep continuing the way they have been, with the mainstream gaming media ostracizing these Japanese developers at every turn and all of these shooter fanboys and "bro" gamers with thier high school jock mentality that has pretty much absorbed a great portion of western gaming, they'll just stop sending them over. And that is not cool.

People are just too god damn mean over silly shit these days and I'm just fed up with it.
^So damn true. I don't see what's the point of arguing, since there are fans of both genres. I love all games as long as they are made well. And it would suck if JRPGs stopped coming here just as much as those Japanese FPS fans not getting any American games either. We're all in this together.
Right you are. New gens have been become increasingly violent and resentful.
look at leon he looks like shit with his hair, jkjk yea i know what you mean, by the way im western and im glad you said MOST western
You have just stated something i totally believe and understand. Kudos to you sir! 8DD
i personally dont like western/japan games over echother instead i focus on the quality of the game, where it was made means nothing to me. When you think about it sure western games differ in some ways especaily in how women,politics, and whats morally good/wrong are portrayed but that shouldnt stop people from buying a "excellent" game regardless. In the end these opnions wont stop me or distract me friom enjoying my battlefeild or final fantasy, cause i choose to judge on quality not where it was made
I'd love to see new goals in games...some different plots. I get bored with the realism in Western games. And with the Japanese games..I get tired of the stereo types. There is a lot both sides of the ocean could do to improve. Overall, I want games that tell me a great story, have fantastic art (no-matter what style) and don't shoe horn me into a particular quest line just to play.
i was hoping for more of a substantial report instead of posts of opinions.
No cute girls? No Moe? And too much violence? : /
Hmm. We have sports too. We have baseball.

I feel like our great non "super violent games" are being left out but then again not everyone of those probably even g
meh it's all just peoples opinions... I thought it might have some actual data but this is just a crap debate raging on and on forever.

I actually don't play games made in the west myself... I actually didn't even realize until awhile back when I started looking at who actually developed all the games in my library... almost all were made in Japan. The games just obviously don't appeal to me, otherwise they would be on my shelf.
I dont blame the Japanese if this is the case. I dont even *want* to play half the games for sale in the States.
Just people's opinions. I rarely play games from Japan as I play mostly popular games from today's western side like Starcraft 2, Age of Empires 3, etc. I also play some games on the UK side when I'm bored. Dat opinions.
Anything Blizzard and League of Legends? Just depends on how good the games are.
Oblivion has bosses! There's Mankar Camoran, Mehrunes Dagon (Although you don't finish the main quest by fighting him directly unless you use an exploit involving Wabbajack and making a dagger that can one-hit-kill almost anything in the game), Umaril the Unfeathered (With the Knights of the Nine DLC), and Jyggalag (With the Shivering Isles expansion). And this is before factoring the thousands of fan-made mods that have been made for Oblivion. (Which is why it MUST be played on PC. Consoles don't cut it.)
make a game that works,

Sell the updates as new games

???

profit.

Call of duty
Battlefield
Dragon Quest
Pokemon
Half Life


There are very few exceptions where a game series tries to change things around completely from a mechanics standpoint. A couple examples of exceptions: Final Fantasy (every FF game has had a different set of mechanics with similar structure. Or is it similar mechanics with different structure?), and Mario Bro's.

Anyhow, point being, if the archtype doesn't sell well in japan or the US, then how will any of it's sequels sell well in other countries?

Meaning, there isn't anything new, so nothing has changed.
Honestly, I agree with much of what is said here. But in general I think games nowadays whether Eastern or Western aren't taking many risks anymore and everything is just rehashes and sequels. And yes, I agree, Western games are really just killing people nowadays, where's the fun and ingenuity anymore? War games are gonna get old quick, well at least, I'd like them to.
Thus enters CH with Mugen Souls and Neptunia. Both games that are trying to really turn the genre on its head. Yet, people always bash the company >.>

I do love GUST dearly, but they are pretty guilty of not trying to seriously innovate.

And there are other companies besides CH that are trying this.
your right on the money
"Errand running games" versus games where you fight monsters every 5 steps, its just preference either way.

Also, let's just say that a certain portion of the US's gaming population couldn't handle a more complex rpg or take interest in anything that isn't "realistic" or constantly providing an adrenaline rush for them.
I play both japanese games and western games. They are many key differences. I think one of them will be the story telling.
There are three elements lying in western best-sellers, cars guns and balls. (car racing game, war game, sports game) unfortunately, they aren't likely have long story lines. As in Japan, they care about the stories. Lots and lots of stories are told in three different ways, In Anime shows in novel series and in Games. To me, game is only one form of story-telling, if there is not a long enough storyline, It must have a really interesting game mechanism that kept me playing this game for over 30 hours.
If a normal game (not a match game) can be understand by people in different culture, either it have a good story that can be understand by others or there are something that is similar in that culture. But look at those Big Japan Titles, I don't see war with modern equipments. It's the same thing like Western players normally can't understand why Visual Novel (GAL) Games can be so popular in Japan. Would it be the media system difference?
western games are so boring.. it's the fuckin shit all over and over.... they make the same game with a different title... thats about it lol

...
Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3 say hello
Skyrim is a great game its like this. Hey Dragonborn go get this from some random doungen gor me will ya. you r like sure why not. On you way there u find this huge ass gaint. You walk up to him sya hi see how his day is going and he kills me in one shot ima like WTF!, so i take a diifernet route this time im walking down the road some random guys give me some stolen shit and tell me he be back for it. So what did i do i killed his arse can kept it for my self. a few minutes later the guy comes up to me asking if i seen the guyy i just killed. i tell him nope gets me free loot.

And Comeon Skyrim gaurd u can be all shot in the knee. at one point you ever think we neeed better Knee Armor?
A very incoherent, unorganized article we got here.
"Japanese games are so shitty that I can't help but get Western games" that's crap and besides western games just don't have what japanese people like and plus its seems western gamers who don't play japanese games are very bias
I only got interested in playing Skyrim after they showed the Vocaloid mods -- not because I wanted to play as Miku or Luka, but because people finally came out with mods. I ended up using the mod for Lightning's face and hair. And then I still find the game to be tedious. I play it, but I get tired of it after just one quest per play. Then I have to get motivated to actually continue playing.

Skyrim is overrated.
Sadly this is me...
Screw the rules! I play both Western and Japanese games, like most westerners do. Japanese seem to stick to their side for the reasons discussed, which is a shame really. Still need to try FF games...send them to the PC!
A good game is a good game regardless of where it comes from. I love a good JRPG as much as the next person but even games like the campaigns from Call of Duty/ Halo have stories just as engaging, if not more so than RPGs. It all boils down to the cultures and personal tastes.
It really depends on your culture and where you grow up. People in Japan (but also many in the US) play games generally focused more on the story-line, while people in the US would rather adrenaline pumping action. People in the US grew up with violent games which they found fun and progressively added it to their culture. Most people here in the US find themselves in a less strict environment and find enjoyment from getting a collateral with a sniper, where as people in Japan would probably find a game explicit and socially unacceptable as for their stricter social standards. But anyways, why can't people enjoy both? I find much satisfaction while playing Skyrim, MW3, BF3, Gears of War, etc; and at the same time, i enjoy emersing myself in games such as Dynasty Warriors, Final Fantasy, Tales of Symphonia, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, and more
your right on the money as well your totally right
While I do believe video games can actually be quite artistic and in-depth, I don't think they are as enlightening or worthwhile as animation, films or music. Therefore I gave games the boot long ago.
wow im surprised i really didn't realize that what country a game came from was such a deciding factor on whether a person would play it personally this isn't an issue at all i really couldn't care i play just about everything minus sports games i feel like a lot of the peoples comments are so closed minded isn't it nice to experience a wide variety of different styles of games but from what i read they just want every thing to be the same or fit into a single genre is it really so hard to appreciate something for what it is rather than wishing it was something else just open up your mind and enjoy the experience i find it hard to believe that there are many games they even enjoy with such narrow thinking
Lol! Japanese are otakus! Western games are too badass for them! OH YEAH!
Lol! Japanese are otakus! Western games are too badass for them! OH YEAH!
" Also, thinking specifically of Fallout New Vegas's commercial, the Japanese version was weird. It didn't really convey what the game was about" How many game commercials have you seen of Japanese games that made no bloody sense what so ever. Where it doesn't even show game play at all. My 2 cents
Meh, if the game entertains, it has done it's job. It doesn't matter if it is from the US, Europe, or Asia. I've played rpg's since original Nintendo, shooters once I got a n64, and racing games since f-zero. Later it was Doom, the Duke, Armored Core, Pokemon, Myst, C&C, etc.... up through different mmos on the PC. I think the only genre I never cared for was sports games, but even that had some good titles.

Which is my point - people will play what interests them. At the same time, people need to get off the pretentious hate wagon and try new things every once in a while. Some of my favorite games I would have never purchased had I not rented/demo'd it.

Also, there would probably be more Japanese made games played in the US if the US had access to them. I remember several titles that interested me because I knew the story of it, only to have it be Japan only release.

All in all, Fail article is a fail. I agree with the people that said it would have been better had it been an actual article, with purpose and statistics, instead of 2ch forum snippets. It's worse than trying to quote Wikipedia on a thesis paper.
Pretty much summed up my thoughts. :>
"Would anyone say it's because the O and X are backwards?'

The backwards thing is pretty confusing when going between Japanese and NA games.
I don't know about you guys but I never look at who developed a game. If it's interesting then I'll play it. I don't really care to see if it's from Japan or the West....
well said.
If you checkout what games Japanese people are streaming on ustream.tv, you see a pretty good mix. There are more Japanese players in English speaking mmos than you'd think too. You just don't notice them.
Mass Effect/Portals nuff said ain't that right GLaDOS/Commander Shepard. Now ladies back to are games Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start.
My theory on this is that moste western games aren't appealing in the sence that they are dumbed down and dont have anything to offer in the way of new playstyles or innovation. I like games from both sides but have recently been regreting about 70% of my purchases because the games are so garbage. AAA games that are so horrible because they've been focustested so much on casual players that it makes the game boring and predictable. Just take a look at BF3 and the 2 Latest Modern Warfare games. They are absolute garbage because they have been designed for casual gamers instead of making the game good.

So in the sence of good games there aren't that many left in the west since they focus on sales instead of giving us goodgameplay and good story.
I actually don't stop and see which country my game came from when I started to play it. The Uncharted series sold great in Japan and the US, and I didn't honestly care where it came from when I picked it up. Before that I played Catherine. It shouldn't matter where games come from, if you see a trailer that doesn't include the company and the game looks amazing, then buy it! However if the company logo alone makes you hesitate, then your missing out on a lot. Buy the things that are interesting to you, don't worry about the opinions of reviewers, or random people on a forum. In the end only your opinion matters.
I thought that this was pretty interesting. It's nice to see the opinions of real Japanese gamers, and nicer to see that a number of them are happily open to playing western games. Games are games after all, regardless of where they're made.

I can see where they're coming from with the whole TPS/FPS thing aswell. Allright, i'll admit not EVERY single game made in the west is a war game, and as someone pointed out there's stuff like Portal etc... but let's face facts... those non war games are the exception, not the rule.

Think about it, in the last 5 months we've had Gears 3, Resistance 3, Battlefield 3, MW3, RAGE, Saints Row 3 to name a few. It's hard to deny that in the west we produce an abundance of violent games, very few of which have anything resembling a story. Not to say Japan's innocent of producing it's own range of violent games, but they do appear to produce a higher number of non face stamping stuff than us. (no research has gone into that final statement... just how it appears to me at a quick glance.)
Too be 100% honest and clear as to why games in the west don't sell as well as they do in japan is the cultural differences, and profitable possibilities. Sure if western companies put as much effort into selling their games in japan from the start they might have had a bigger impact, but the differences are too great to guarantee a sizable profit let alone breaking even. The cultural differences are like trying to compare Baseball to Monopoly. The Japanese people are looking more for a moe fantasy where as western players are looking for realistic fantasy.

BTW CR writers posted those quotes, regardless of if they're off a forum, in hopes of you the readers of reading between the lines and expecting you to be able to logically deduce the reasons for yourself.
I wasn't too happy about the fuglies in skyrim either, although I was able to make my female character into a hottie with some manipulation. I like lookin at nice women while I game, If I was old enough when tomb raider was big, I would have loved that series. :D
I have to agree TPS and FPS make me get dizzy as well. I am not sure why, but i do get car sick so maybe it has something to do with the way the view on the screen moves around. But i love RPG's a ton and i need a good story, not just "here is a gun kill all of these people". I got into the story from Halo but i got dizzy every time i played ;_;
Really it depends what you like to play from the games listed I don't play any of them doesn't mean I don't like western games in general there will be some I like but I've not found them yet the reason why all the games are the same is because in America that sells so why change something that makes money
Western games I do like are forza Motorsport, the sims, sim city, age of empires and rise of nations
umm.....who cares.
Why is this all about FPS and TBS? what about the good RTS games, like "Sins of a Solar Empire" and "Command & Conquer"? they offer offer great fun, though there is absolutely no story in SoaSE. And if it's all about the violence, you could just play Civilizations and go for a diplomatic or cultural victory, it's possible almost without any conflict. I like it when ii can reshape history in my own image, instead of a prewritten story.
And thanks to the those who brought up AoE and SC2 :D!
I was a little surprised when I read this because it wasn’t really an article. As pointed out it by others, it just reads as a copy/paste of threads from another forum into one undefined page of text.

An article covering this kind of topic should level set the reader. Meaning first off, this wasn’t based on psychological profiles, sociological studies, this wasn’t a deep philosophical debate, a one sided personal opinion piece, or anything like that. It’s just a poll (if even that) of opinions from people in Japan.

I would have loved to see this article with more detail. Maybe the original poll could have been broken up into staged questions? Maybe some of the assumed stereo types and possible myths of the Japanese market could have been asked directly.

Example questions that could have been asked (derived from old talks with my friends from or not from Japan):
• Do the Japanese markets really dislike anything that tries to make real life war entertaining? (Possible follow up: is it really a story about fighting terrorists that is uninteresting to Japan or is it playing “American soldiers” fighting terrorists out to attack ‘America’ that doesn’t appeal to Japan?)
• Do the Japanese markets only embrace War like entertainment if it’s disconnected from real life? (Possible follow up: Are stories like the different Gundam stories loved because they denounce war or because they are set in such set in such a future world that there is no guilt about real life suffering?)
• Is there any truth to the Japanese markets being more prone to motion sickness in games? (I hate to bring this possible follow up question to light because it came from someone I know is pretty much a hate filled bigot but I know someone convinced that living in any areas where both earthquakes and tsunamis are real threats every year, has to create a kind of ‘hyper’ motion sensitivity. I personally would wonder if anyone from Japan, a nation know to embrace electronic media/technology/and is known to have some of the best drift racers in the world, really felt they suffered from any worse motion sickness than anyone else in the world.
• How much do Japanese gamers ‘experiment’ with their purchases and how much do American gamers experiment with their purchases? (This would of course require a follow up poll/forum thread but it would be interesting to see how similar the two cultures might actually be to each other. i.e. I know many Americans loved Mass Effect. So they bought Mass Effect 2. While the sequel is considered a huge success and loved by fans, there are many many many fans who hate it because of how much it changed from the original. Do Japanese gamers feel the same way about Final Fantasy changes every version? Or do they embrace the changes? Do Japanese gamers who love FF, also love Resident Evil (or Bio Hazard), and in turn love Devil May Cry. In essence are these three classic Japanese titles loved by ‘all’ Japanese gamers or is there just such a large gamer base in Japan that a third can love FF, a third can love R.E., and a third can love D.M.C. and all three can make create sales numbers? It would be interesting to compare this to American gamers too. How many Modern Warfare players bought Skyrim? How many GTA players bought Limbo? Etc.
Call of Duty out sold Ni No Kuni in japan acording to IGN..
isn't it just that there are good Japanese games that we don't know about in the west because they were never brought over which they buy instead and good western games that they don't get imported to them....
I agree completely on the too much errand running and not enough bosses remarks.
"Why? Because the stuff you do in them is all the same and BORING. Oblivion, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim―they're all errand running games. They're all the same except for whether you use a gun or a sword. It's boring as hell. And there aren't any bosses! If you can be a robber, steal everyone's stuff, kill civilians—pretty much anything goes, you can beat a Western game."

This guy hit the nail right on the head, those games are boring but most people don't realize that and eat them up like locust. Also games like that are really broken with glitches and bugs constantly occuring. The most fun I had playing a game this gen was from Japanese games, especially Platinum Games' stuff and Demon's Souls. I'd rather have non-stop fun for 5--8 hours than spending 20+ hours running around in a desolute world. And moe is so much better than cheap sex scenes, straight or homosexual.
"Also games like that are really broken with glitches and bugs constantly occuring."- All the games have bugs.
"And moe is so much better than cheap sex scenes, straight or homosexual."- A big part of japanese game market is moe+sex scenes
"they're all errand running games" - Aren't jprg usually built around quests
+1 on Demon's Souls, what a great game!
fuel for the flame.
I always wanted to play Japanese adult game, like a sims dating game, i want to try something, call of duty is boring now... no offense C.O.D lovers, im playing Dragon age and assassins creed revelation,somehow i started playing halo reach again, yea im looking forward of buying a hentai game.. yes thats what i just typed, HENTAI GAME o.o
I like japan games and western I can see why they dont by western games.
anything that requires two sticks to move is awful (which is pretty much every western game)
left should be character, right should be camera
I like some western games but I rather play FFXII and Street Fighter then Call Of Duty:Black ops and MW3
Same here ,somewhat I dont like coop games , I prefer stealth games like Assasin Creed or Ninja Gaiden .I do find the dating games entertaining .
So when is monster hunter coming to the U.S already im tired of waitin!
The big difference between western and japanese is western tend to more realism and have a simple story while japenese tend to fantasy and very complex story.

The big games in both sides are almost all about war and armagedom.

By the way, i play any kind of game if it's good, it doesn't matter if came form A or B.
I'm also interested in why westerners aren't interested in Japanese games. I think I have a pretty good idea why anyway but I want 2 know what the Japanese think...I mean, I know there are the Final Fantasy's & what not, but what about those weird role playing games?
I don't care, but some of the comments in the article though are false. Not all games made here are the same. At least they like Bandicoot and Rachet & Clank. I hope some of them there enjoy Jak & Daxter to. :)
I just buy the games that i know i would enjoy because i enjoy them
Most of you have never been to japan and know nothing about the culture over there so just shut up please.
I didn't really like the examples they used. They pointed out that the Japanese like games that are in series so why didn't they bring up most of Bioware games? Bioware is a Canadian company that makes great RPG games that I think would appeal to an Eastern audience. I want to find out how well Bioware games sell over there.

Because the most of the examples they give: Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, etc are simulated war games which I don't see becoming an instant success since at the moment it looks like war games aren't popular in the Eastern market right now.

Personally I tend to play more Japanese games than Western because I like story more than actual combat. Which is something Bioware cares about, and I'm sure there's other Western developers examples as well. But I don't care where the game comes from as long as its a decent game anyways.
Dragon Age: Origins was truly amazing, loved the story. Dragon Age 2 was bit of a bummer tho. Now i'm just sad because i can't play the Mass Effect on my mac :(
I'm with all of you guys who noted cultural differences as the root of it. If you really take a step back and analyze both cultures, that is exactly it. Too bad a lot of people here are a bit close-minded. In this day and age it's kind of frustrating to see people like that. And yes, I did read just about every single comment here. Was quite interesting if not frustrating.
What about Portal 2? I would have to say that is the best game ever made. Ah GLaDOS, how i love to hate you.
I kind of wanted to reply to almost every poster and say “Are you reading these posts or just guessing at what they are saying”.

Only that wouldn’t be fair or really apply to everyone.

I also feel bad because I’m making two posts and both mention the flaws in the article. Please author (Emily Balistrieri) don’t take this personally as I’m not knocking you personally. The article does state nicely that there is a “perception that Japanese gamers do not like western games”. It then states that commenters on 2Channel started to post opinions as to why that is.

The issue with the article is that like most virtual communities, the 2Channel comments show no defined structure to help guild the flow of thought. So what are all the article posts saying? That X comment explains why Japanese gamers don’t care for Wester games? or why Z comment explains why Japanese gamers really don’t like western games... are there even any sales numbers to support that the assumptions are true or false?

After all, without more stats or detail… everything is just opinions. The original articles posts and the comments we have all added.

Example: I didn’t find Skyrim boring but I also didn’t do any fetch quests. I killed people (bosses) who were in my way, I discovered hidden mythos stories that the main game didn’t show you by default, I sacked a village to… well, let me stop and not give away the store.

Just remember this is still just a long opinion thread. So love what you love, hate what you hate, but don’t be offended when others don’t agree with you.
Everyone has their own personal taste in games. However, I honestly wouldn't head to 2ch as the source for a game discussion. Extra credits provides deeper insights into this with a game industry view point as well.
Both sides have their ups and downs. Battlefield 3 will probably be my last military FPS until developers start doing different things for that milked genre. I'll still buy Bioshock and Killzone though.
This is why we have choices. Not all Japanese feel this way, Just like not all americans feel that way. It is interesting to learn that have played or even tried the game. That is rewarding. Having the option or variety is the essential. :)
I like shooting things. I'm not even a westerner.
I prefer Western games mainly just because for the MOST part, they are more competitive that Eastern games.

I play both MW3 and BF3 competitively and used to play SC2 and CS competitively. The only games I can think of from Japan that are equally as competitively would be the more popular fighting games like SF4 and UMVC3 both of which I play somewhat competitively.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but that is mainly my reasoning.
So many GUNDAMned(SeewutIdudthur?) grammar errors in this post. ffffffuuuuuuu.
I really don't care what anyone says, Terraria and Minecraft blow the breaks off any game released in the past 5 years, including Skyrim.
For myself, I love both. I'm open minded and open to all kinds of games.

I do agree that a lot of Western games are fairly similar. The gaming market is saturated with FPS. I do like FPS but it'd be nice if there was a bit more originality going around. I also love a good story and in a lot of games, the story gets put on the back burner in favor of multiplayer.

In the story department i'd say my fave games would have to be:Heavy Rain, Tales of the Abyss, 999, Silent Hill 2, Deus Ex, AC, and my favourite series is Resident Evil, Uncharted, Kingdom Hearts, and Halo. Two other fave games would be Catherine and Persona 3.

So, I like all games. But everyone is different. It may depend on age, where they grew up, how they were raised, and their culture as well.

It would be nice if more people were more open minded and liked to try a variety but people will like what they like, and think what they think. You can't change that.

It does really suck when we don't get some of the Japanese games over in NA though. =/
But its true. Games like GTA where you can kill normal people just piss me off. I do not agree with killing people. Unless they are truly evil. Hell, when I'm playing Shogun 2: Total War I feel bad when I lose a lot of soldiers while commanding a battle.
How can you not like any game that is produced by Bethesda. Granted Fallout: N.V. and Skyrim for ps3 are/were glitchy but what makes a Japanese game better?
I'm actually not that interested with the games coming out for ps3 and x360. I havent played a decent game since ps2 and the original xbox, except the Elderscrolls sieres, that i like. I recently bough persona for psp, havent gotten too far in yet but seems promising.
Whats up with all the gamers repression topics lately. bottom line....if you don't like a game type then don't play it and don't ruin it for the rest of us, if your country is banning video games then start a revolution.
I find that kinda true. Most western games are about killing people or monsters or whatever they could think of. I can't really think of a single one that isn't about killing. Except The Sims (though really, you kinda can kill them o_o)