Column: OH!Victoria - "Random Acts of Hatred in the Cosplay World"

"I think cosplay should be less about tearing down the competition, and more about having a little class."

Recently, a cosplayer I thought I really respected, linked/shared a photo of another cosplayer named Michelle Phan. Although Michelle Phan specializes in make-up, no one should tear her down, or belittle her for cosplaying a character she loves.

Michelle Phan as Serah from Final Fantasy XIII-2 

 

The post went something like :

 

I am sorry and I may sounds like a jelly b#$ch but Michelle Phan looks absolutely terrible as Serah. Her makeup makes her eyes look extra droopy and the angle shes looking at the camera makes her nose appear larger. Her wig is great, though!

 

I understand that this is said person’s OPINION, but I think going the extra mile to link/share the photo on your own facebook page, like it’s open to discussion (although the entire way she worded her description of the photo sets people up to also hate on it) is taking it too far. The poster then claims it’s a “fair game” and that people may also hate on her.

 

The fact is - as long as ANYONE is going out of their way to HATE on other cosplayers, the scene will never get better! People will be less inclined to cosplay in the first place knowing that if they aren’t up to someone else’s standards, they may get SHARED on other people’s pages and ripped apart.

 

There were 60+ comments on this photo, all agreeing with the poster — and what’s worse - MICHELLE PHAN COULD SEE ALL OF THESE. I knew no one would speak out against this girl, and I knew that if I did, I’d risk being not only deleted, but bashed myself, and maybe even harassed at cons (Because that’s how the cosplay world works thanks to these kinds of instances.)

 

I sucked it up and commented:

 

I’m going to go ahead and say this: Everyone of us takes bad pictures. She thinks she looks good here, and she does. She doesn’t look BAD. No one should be considered fit, or have the right to share her photos and be like, ‘I’m sorry, but …you look terrible.” That’s just plain mean. I know for a fact that this exact kind of thing has been done to pictures of you, (name) and you’re beautiful ! And pictures of me! And it sucked. This thread should be on 4chan, not Facebook. No one should be told they are bad at cosplay. It’s a fun hobby, and that’s all. /rant.

 

Slowly, people started redacting their previous comments, and stating that after thinking they agreed with me.

 

To be fair, after much thinking after thinking, I’m gonna agree a bit with Victoria. I’ve been told my cosplay sucks, and not exactly a good feeling I tell ya that much.

 

The original poster defended her right to an opinion to no end, and so - seeing that I couldn’t “win.” I was at least happy that I said what I truly felt, and eloquently ducked out of the troll thread.

 

Later that night, I started receiving messages:

 

Hey, I just wanted to say THANK YOU for sharing your opinion too on (name)’s post. It felt like a lost cause whenever I try stating an opposing opinion on those type of posts, and sometimes wonder if i should just steer clear, cause then I have people say things against me.. :/ but i want to say I 100% agree with you on what you said in there. And cosplayers/makeup specialist cosplayers- seems to really despise that girl they linked to, so it’s more than just them claiming unflattering makeup. I lose respect for people who go and do that, but everyone is friends with everyone so sometimes it’s hard to go against the grain, and have people claim “oh you can’t have an opinion cause there all sensitive and can’t take criticism!”


The original poster is an amazing cosplayer, but I lost a lot of respect for her when she did this. She admits, “In any case, no I see Victorias point. I should have put it more eloquently and politically correct. Compliment sammich form: "Her costume and wig look great but her makeup and posing could be better. She does have useful everyday makeup tutorials, though." But, seeing as this is my own fb, I wanted to be blunt. Also, this isn't cosplay.com. People were giving suggestions too on what could be better for her, and yes cosplay is about having fun but theres always that bit of a competitive streak in everyone, deep down."

 

It’s also very important to speak against what you think is wrong, but then again - that’s a given, right ?


I know that an honest critique can be very valuable, and it helps people grow in their craft, but what's most important is the manner in which you deliver your comments. A little class and tact goes a long way.

 

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Cosplayer, fangirl, and RPG enthusiast Victoria Holden is featured on The Live Show. You can follow her on Twitter at @sailorbee

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people can be jerks! I see this stuff all the time. Its called cyber bullying and is not just with cosplayers. people become idiots online sometimes because there are no consequences for their actions unlike in real life society.
No, this isn't bullying. If you think this is bullying then god help you when you finish school and go out into the real world. Criticism is harsh, deal with it.
Most of the flame Michelle Phan is getting IS cyber-bullying. There's an entire site dedicated to cyberbullying people like her (GuruGossip) and numerous dedicated to her especially and this Facebook-incident was uncalled for even though she doesn't look "perfect".
SaberUK you wouldn't know what bullying is if it walked up to you, knocked your books out of your hands and told you to give it your lunch money.
But this isn't an instance of criticism, it's a pointless and petty call-out fueled by God-only-knows what kind of purpose, if any. I live in this "real world" you speak of, as do the rest of us, so why not try joining us here?
It's called jealousy- and as soon as that person saw a picture where the cosplayer didn't look her absolute best, they pulled her up on it.
Things like this are harsh, but is there really any need to put it on Crunchyroll? Wouldn't really call this news... Just a prime example at how ^%$*&% the human race is.
I think criticism can be very valuable, especially when brutally honest, but one can go about it a better way ^^
Talking about these topics is important, Im not really into cosplay myself but it seems to be really popular. Cosplayers show their love for anime and manga in a way I am much to shy to do. I would love to see some columns on the positive side of cosplay and the friends you have made. :)
I have written some ~ ! Please look under my name here on CR, and i'll make sure to share more with you guys !
yeah, even taking the cosplay "commentary" out of her post, linking anything of someone else just to put it down for no purpose is pretty low
I do agree that her wig looks great though :P haha
My thoughts exactly.
Jealous bitch is jealous. Can't stand people like that who feel the need to rip someone up because they feel threatened or jealous. I always go to Michelle's videos and watch her play with make up (with a hell of a lot of envy). She's incredibly beautiful, and I can't remember a single video where she looks "bleh." In this pic, I think she looks stunning.

I only have two criticisms about the piece: 1. the halter-top or whatever it is looks skewed, so it makes her shoulders look lopsided. 2. The light glaring against the right (her left) side of her face makes her eye look like its setting lower than the other.
I agree. People usually make mean spirited comments because it makes themselves feel superior. Isn't it obvious then that the person making the comments is just weak spirited?

It's perfectly possible to criticize constructively, and in that way, you both improve. Only lazy and weak people can't do that.
the issue here is that anything that involves "putting yourself out there" basically invites different kind of feedback, including trolls and assholes. Try not to let everything get to you and enjoy what you do. ^^
Cosplayers should be encouraging each other, giving constructive criticism and advice in a respectful way so others can further their abilities - not bashing each other in a public format. When you become a cosplayer with a fanbase, you ought to act with a sense of professionalism as well as having basic manners. Thumper said it best, guys.

I'm glad someone took a stand for Michelle's cosplay, and that someone wrote an article like this. As someone who's been cosplaying for almost 5 years, it really irks me to hear about things like this, where people gang up on a specific cosplayer for something stupid. We've all had horrible costumes and unflattering pictures, and nobody deserves that sort of treatment. There are much more mature ways to go about stating your opinion.

/tl;dr
Yup ~ ! Me too ! I can't stand these kinds of things, and it's my mission to end the hate in the cosplay world. It really can be done, but the only way to do it is to stand up for what you believe in.
Stuff like that is the reason i have never cosplayed before. I have an immense interest in it and always have wanted to but after seeing so many comments rooted in hatred and bullying I feel I just cant put myself out there.
YESSS. EXACTLY ! -you- are the person I wrote this for ! People are TERRIFIED of cosplaying because THIS is the world they are forced to face. It's disgusting. You should do it ! Know that for every hater out there, there are people like me who encourage you every day to do what you love.
I totally agree with this article; it's absolutely disheartening to see so many cosplayers get critical reviews from people on doing something they enjoy. I absolutely detest when someone says, "nonasians shouldnt even Cosplay." Non Asians can potray a character just as well! Even then a majority of those critics don't even Cosplay themselves.
I don't think i've ever read such garbage in my life. If you post photos in a public forum then you only have yourself to blame when people post their opinions. Don't like other people commenting on your photos? Go and live in a cave on a remote island.

TL;DR: grow up.
Saberuk youre a funny little troll-baby, can I put you on little pedastal my nightstand? :D

I would say that you need to grow up. But you should also read the full article before being a belligerent little twat.
I'm going to somewhat agree with SaberUK. This is the interweb we're talking about. You either join the ranks of the trolls or shake it off like boss.
This wasnt a matter of the troll belittling Michelle, but doing it behind her back so to speak. She linked the above pic to her own FB page and then proceeded to "direct the choir" about how terrible she looks. It was basically the cowards approach to trolling. That Michelle could see what that person wrote is irrelevant. If you're going to be an abusive jealous little bitch, then do it to their face. I can at least respect that a little bit.
LOL. That is all.
We all know that being a cosplay MEANS you are PUTTING YOURSELF OUT THERE. WE KNOW - But the fact of the matter IS - no one should be AFRAID to participate in such a fun hobby because they are TERRIFIED of people like this making fun of them, sharing their pictures on other public forums and ripping them to shreds.
That comment isn't making fun of anyone. It is someone stating their opinion. I will admit that it is slightly harsh but they are entitled to their own opinion and if the subject in question did not want to hear peoples opinion, why did they post it in a place where people could give said opinion?

Also, if you enjoy doing something so much then why not just give the haters the figurative middle finger and ignore them? You will be much better off not caring about the opinion of other people. Stop being an immature little princess who demands that everyone worship the ground they walk on and get on with your life.
You don't consider the whole 'droopy' eye 'big nose' thing an insult?

Yes you put yourself out there and people are allowed to criticize it, but people who have a problem with said criticism also have the right to open their mouths and speak against it... Ah, but what you're saying is a bit different though, isn't it? You're trying to do something aren't you?

Let me guess... You're a fan of this girl and you're trying to fight the flames here aren't you? I've seen people like you before. You pretend to agree to a certain degree, you than act like the one being 'criticized' is also at fault for doing whatever and than you tell everyone to ignore what's being said.

Lol there are at least 4 levels of 'cliched brown noser's'.... And you're one of them.
At least you can laugh at yourself. ^.^b
I don't particularly think this post is garbage, but I do agree with you. It's the internet, and if you post a picture, especially of cosplay, you HAVE to be prepared for the rudeness and crap people can throw out at you.

People have told me I have a big nose and that the bags underneath my eyes make me look turrible, but I always laugh it off and agree, because, well, it's true. Lol. I could rage at them and pity myself all I want, but I can't really do much about it 'cause it's the internet--you have to be able to stand up for yourself, take the criticism and push it aside, and just continue with life.
I agree Victoria. It sucks that just because someone is cosplaying, some people think that gives them the right to criticize their appearance. If you don't like they way they do it, fair enough. But I don't understand why you would want to make someone feel bad like that and I think that is one big thing that keeps a lot of people out of cosplay.
ya see there kinda is an expectation when people cosplay. its not written in stone but deep down its there. you are going to have good cosplay and bad cosplay its that simple. a good example of bad cosplay is the fat guy in the tiny sailor moon outfit. no matter what anyone says that picture has terrified me in my dreams to this day. That being said, I personally don't like the picture either but there is no need to start a war over a stupid matter of opinion.
I thought is was normal for girls to complain if another girl looks better than themselves? since I don't use facebook and don't really know the genders of all that commented I say a bit of jealously is to blame that and mob mentality. as for my opinion on the picture, I don't think I care enough to give an opinion, don't know the character and didn't play the game.
Cosplay seems competitive alright. Not only do cosplayers tear each other down (not all of them of course), but some even claim it's a hobby that can only be done by Asians. Also if anyone from another race does it than they are considered racists.

Now I'm not saying it's true, I'm just repeating what I've heard. Just google it and you'll see.
I know, I get told not to cosplay all the time because I'm a "westerner."
It made absolutely no sense when I heard it a few years ago and it makes no sense now... Though I always ask. How many Asians do you know who have naturally pink/blue hair? I just hope "westerners" and other people from all races ignore that and keep cosplaying.
I hope you never stop doing what you love.
The best thing to do is to never feed the trolls, let them rot in some unknown part of the internet.

She looks fine, so no reason take any of that seriously. Constructive criticism is fine, but blatant trolling is uncalled for.
Oh lordy, another one of these articles. "Play nice children!"

If you think of cosplay as an artform, as I know many of us do, then you should be prepared for all the things that GO WITH ART - snide remarks, criticism of all kinds (veiled, kind, curt) to name a few. While these things may be present in other walks of life, artists are a particular bunch.

That first comment, "I am sorry and I may sounds like...", is incredibly mild. The only remotely aggressive words are "absolutely terrible". For this to set you off, you must be a precious little beancake with no wrapping.

Honestly I find these articles kind of insulting. The community can police itself, it doesn't need a mother figure wagging a finger at people (many of which are ADULTS that can take care of themselves) telling them to play nice. People get whats coming to them whether you believe it or not, and people who belittle others without good cause are no different.

Is there an option to filter news posts? Please tell me there is, and that I've just overlooked it.
You know the fun thing about articles is the fact that you don't have to read them. I think the writer of this article made it perfectly clear what this was about, yet you found it necessary to comment. And look at this post... What is this? Two sentences and three paragraphs? WOW! Obviously you're not too keen on filter news posts like these are you?

Not only that, but you really seem to care! You're another type of brown noser too! Let me guess, another fan! Though this type of brown nosing is quite different... This one defends the creator of said problem and than attacks those who have a problem with it!

Honestly thought I can't get over the whole 'option to filter news posts' thing.... That's such a cliched thing to say. Though I must admit it's altered slightly. Normally brown nosers like you ask how to 'filter users' instead.
Oh, man. It's like I'm really on Kotaku!
Seems like adding the "Column" to this article let's CR get away with it.
It's understandable for an editor to dump something like this into the 'Letters to the Editor' type of section, but having a "Column" article among other articles and interviews gives the misleading impression that it is something that CR endorses.
i dont like to be mean but the pic it self looks weird
not ugly but weird like the makeup on the lips and the eyes, something.
if anything i blame her girlfriends for not telling her
A lot of people say things that are "mean," but that shouldn't stop you from doing the things that you love and if it does, then you weren't very confident in doing it in the first place.
Also, I love MP. I subscribed to her YouTube and everything. I find it petty that the woman would take the time to post her cosplay on her Facebook as an open discussion to insult her, yet what can you do, but keep doing what you love? There are people who will put down whatever you do, but that shouldn't stop you.

I see nothing wrong with her picture.
I know what you mean, people can be jerks when they are doing something to inspire to do what they think the want to do. I don't like people saying mean things just because they are doing something that they think is important to them. Once someone say something mean, that person would give up on their dreams on what they love doing. It hurts both the person and as well their heart too. Michelle Phan is doing what she think is right in her opinion and not anyone else. People who hate her so much, they shouldnt watch it. Let other people who love her should watch it
this ENTIRE ordeal is petty and childish. GROW UP. on the other hand, i would have to agree that whoever made those remarks are either jealous or bitter.
I think Michelle Phan is still successful no matter what troll threads say.
Nitpicking on a person's facial feature is rather harsh.
I'm very proud of you Victoria :)
Thankyou, Jellllllo ~
The rude post and comment were definitely uncalled for, but even then, this happens all the time. Haters hate, and people never quite learn how to be nice--it's the internet. I've lived with a ton of criticism and bullying for my appearance, but even I don't think this is that bad enough to get a highlighted post. I honestly felt like I wasted my time reading this because, like I said, it happens all the time.

Call me heartless, flame me, but maybe I'm just too use to the citizens of the internet. I feel like everyone knows the inherent rules of politeness and kindness, there are just those who choose to not abide by those rules. Sure, we could talk and try to get them to be nice, but it hardly ever changes them.

All you have to do is stay strong, take and shove their cruel judgement aside, and move on with your life. Besides the main point, Michelle Phan is a beautiful woman, so even with this single page of hate, there are probably thousands of people who still praise and love her.
I'm with the "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all." school, so I would have likely ignored such a post, but I would be proud to have a friend who stood up like you did! Cosplay is like Renaissance fairs. Some people look like they time traveled to the fair. Some of us look like we get the idea, if not the passion. And some of us just came for the giant turkey legs. But we all came to have fun! ✌۵(☮‿☮)۵
Sounds like the originator is jelly. Michelle Phan is famous and gets paid to make videos about makeup, she can do whatever the hell she wants.
wow talk about conforming, and so easily too lol
cosplay is about having fun so all those dick's out there shut up and don't criticize them for every little detail its not like your perfect.
I love Michelle Phan! - Her Sailor Moon video is what got me to check her out on YouTube. Victoria there's a gigantic section of people in the Otaku realm that despise ANYONE doing a "3-D version" of any anime character. Michelle is cute and thin and has a lovely voice.

On the other hand there's a ton of times Otaku males see videos of a 'Beastly female' dressed as a dainty anime girl and you really want to shout "Get off the stage!" because who wants to see a flat & scrawny girl dressed as Kurumu (Rosario Vamp) or Orhime (Bleach) - or a plus-sized half naked Holo or Haruhi. Probably about as much as you want to see a guy with a beer gut wear a spandex suit or even walk on the beach.

Michelle is living 3-D MOE!! - she's perfect for Cosplay - Maybe it's just an attack from those that living in a delusional 2-D elitist world? You find the hottest, cutest, girl to cosplay and someone will complain she's not 2-D!
solution: don't post things on discussion boards or forums
That's not a solution, that's avoiding the problem. People like MP and VH want to encourage others by their own examples. That's brave of them and should be respected. There's just no need for hate. If you don't like someone else's cosplay, just do yours better, no need to make hateful comments.
Just because they are encouraging others by there own example doesn't change anything. The fact of the matter is that they put themselves on public display where they can be criticized or complimented. They have opened themselves up to this kind of thing the minute they posted. I agree its not good taste to post hateful comments but what should be is very different than what is. That's why the solution is to not post anything. or suck it up and rise above it. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere.
Those are some good points you made, Victoria. Though to be fair, the words of this so-called basher don't seem all that bad to me. They made made their points, which I agree with. The make-up and angles/lighting could have been better and therefore more flattering to her natural beauty, but I certainly don't think her cosplay was bad in any way. I'm going to go against some of the other commenters and disagree about this being a jealousy issue. This is simply an issue about criticism, which could have been constructive criticism given the chance. And quite frankly for those who are scared of cosplaying because of criticism, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Criticism, whether it's out of spite or constructive, should always be used to better yourself, not keep you down.
Michelle Phan is beautiful!
My two cents? This could have been constructive criticism if done either privately or on a forum where it was *solicited* by the cosplayer in question. Posting something like that on fb with those kinds of comments is just childish and pathetic.
I thought this picture was great and that she looked beautiful. I was impressed. Maybe I am not a cosplayer or know much about makeup so technically I am not on the same page as everyone else. But my first thought was "Wow". I hope this girl was not hurt by any of this. I hate any type of bullying and what makes me think there were more than technical issues here was the first line about not being a jealous b***. Freudian slip? I hope things are better for all involved.