Japanese Fans Urge English Speakers to Contest Hatsune Miku YouTube Takedown Requests
Japanese Fans Enlist Help of International Miku Supporters
Hatsune Miku fans have observed an uptick in YouTube deletions of vocaloid videos from YouTube, particularly stemming from copyright claims from Media Interactive, a company that was involved with a Lady Gaga kerfuffle after she posted a Japanese TV appearance on her YouTube channel. Contending that the requests are illegitimate, Japanese fans on spots like message board 2ch have begun a "Save Miku" campaign to contest takedown requests.
The "Save Miku" campaign says:
Someone who doesn't like Hatsune Miku getting popular in the world is deleting her high ranked videos with English titles on it by making fake reports that the videos are infringing a copyright. We don't know who is doing this. The series of these acts may be caused by organized group(s). It is under investigation by Miku fan volunteers. If your video is deleted by a fake report, please submit a counter-notification here. To all Vocaloid fans, Let's get her back. Don't give up.
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No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2/2/12 by knara
Japanese takedowns of stuff that is just starting to get popular in the US (not that Miku is "just starting") has been increasing lately in general. i.e. As soon as K-on!(!) and Angel Beats! got licensed a lot of the live stuff (that will never come out here in the US) got taken down, which is just stupid.
2/2/12 by reaper_g
...but that's legitimate. Anime have lots of big companies behind them which will check youtube etc. and pull videos off. they have every right to. Wether or not you can get it legally doesn't matter, just that they made it(or paid someone for it) and can chose what to do with their property.
Crypton Future Media and Yamaha have explicitly passed on their rights to anything made using Miku.
For Miku's songs only the songs writer/ any other real artists (or anyone they sold the rights to/ gave power of attorney to) on it can have it pulled off. These are clearly being taken down by "fake" companies who don't have any rights to do this.
Crypton Future Media and Yamaha have explicitly passed on their rights to anything made using Miku.
For Miku's songs only the songs writer/ any other real artists (or anyone they sold the rights to/ gave power of attorney to) on it can have it pulled off. These are clearly being taken down by "fake" companies who don't have any rights to do this.
2/2/12 by knara
>...but that's legitimate. Anime have lots of big companies behind them which will check youtube etc. and pull videos off. they have every right to. Wether or not you can get it legally doesn't matter, just that they made it(or paid someone for it) and can chose what to do with their property.
They have the *right* to, yes, however, there's a practical marketing matter to be considered beyond simply having the right. If you are attempting to promote a franchise in another country, and there is content out there that will never make it to said country, the *smart* guy in marketing will go "this allows me to advertise the brand and increase sales of the core products without having to actually spend any of my own budget."
Takedowns of things like that are short sighted. Sure, you want to take down whole episodes or series (i.e. the core product), but those other additional things, one needs to think outside the box and understand how it can help your brand.
They have the *right* to, yes, however, there's a practical marketing matter to be considered beyond simply having the right. If you are attempting to promote a franchise in another country, and there is content out there that will never make it to said country, the *smart* guy in marketing will go "this allows me to advertise the brand and increase sales of the core products without having to actually spend any of my own budget."
Takedowns of things like that are short sighted. Sure, you want to take down whole episodes or series (i.e. the core product), but those other additional things, one needs to think outside the box and understand how it can help your brand.
ha yeah i dont like the songs either :P
I wonder if this has anything to do with Hatsune Miku being more popular than Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber. Something about the preferred singer at the olympics?
Wait...what?
the voting about who will sing at the Olympic games, miku was one of the candidates along beiber and gaga, XD obviously Miku was in first for a long time, (http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/singers-perform-london-olympics-opening-ceremonies.asp , Miku at 18% while the two of them only have 3% XD The way it should be). but yea, this is stupid,
the mere fact that youtube is allowing requests such as these to actually go through without checking for the proper copyright holder is a bad sign. Can just imagine this becoming more frequent if the SOPA bill in the US is passed.
the mere fact that youtube is allowing requests such as these to actually go through without checking for the proper copyright holder is a bad sign. Can just imagine this becoming more frequent if the SOPA bill in the US is passed.
poor Miku TT_TT
Sadly this is not the first time there's been a Japanese video taken down. I had two Namie Amuro videos taken down just last month :(
K-ON, Ouran, & many other animes also get taken down by either the Japanese company or the American licensing company....
K-ON, Ouran, & many other animes also get taken down by either the Japanese company or the American licensing company....
2/2/12 by bzald
This is getting old fast, i think it time for who every doing this to step back and think if what they are doing will get them what they want or will they just piss off people. When you BUY the software you get a right to public for free or for money any song you make.
unless you copyright someone else's song FYI if you change the song completely "Revenge" - A Minecraft Parody of Usher's DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love - Crafted Using Noteblocks. Which is on itunes for sell so yea it time to stop this.
unless you copyright someone else's song FYI if you change the song completely "Revenge" - A Minecraft Parody of Usher's DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love - Crafted Using Noteblocks. Which is on itunes for sell so yea it time to stop this.
hmm, depends on what you do, technically your allowed to use their voices for anythign if you own the software, as long as you dont try and recreate a song someone else has the copyyright for such as a remake of an already licensed song (Yes, technically that is illegal)
but their appearance does hold a copyright to it and has to be paid for for commercial use (so things fans use for MMD arent considered to be breaking it unless they try to get money somehow for it).
as far as videos on youtube, youtube pay's licensing fee's so even if they songs on them are licensed they should have the right to show it as long as the company who owns the right to the song allows (since the appearance of miku wouldnt qualify as commercial under youtube).
Youtube is responsible for checking for stuff on their own servers, so going and deleting it without checking if the person who claims its copyrighted actually holds the copyrights is on them.
but their appearance does hold a copyright to it and has to be paid for for commercial use (so things fans use for MMD arent considered to be breaking it unless they try to get money somehow for it).
as far as videos on youtube, youtube pay's licensing fee's so even if they songs on them are licensed they should have the right to show it as long as the company who owns the right to the song allows (since the appearance of miku wouldnt qualify as commercial under youtube).
Youtube is responsible for checking for stuff on their own servers, so going and deleting it without checking if the person who claims its copyrighted actually holds the copyrights is on them.
2/2/12 by bunnykun
Actually, as far as covers in America go, it is not illegal to produce a cover of a song. You don't even need permission. It is necessary, however, to obtain a license to distribute that cover (includes digital downloads, CD, DVDs, etc). In the case of live performance of covers, a royalty is paid the performing rights agency that represents the writers/publishers of that song (ASCAP, BMI, SOCAN), and that royalty is the responsibility of the venue owners, NOT the performers.
I hope she gets taken down. I mean it not she.
The piapro.jp license, I think, is formulated to allow songs created using their Vocaloid products to be distributed freely by default, although I imagine there is some provision for an artist to tighten up the licensing if they so choose. (caveat: I may have misunderstood what I have read about Crypton and Piapro and their licensing and copyright schemes).
This is to me a very interesting development, though, because of the recent issues raised by SOPA and PIPA legislation. My thoughts on the possibility of tightening copyrights lead me to conclude that an alternate pool of less-strictly-protected creative material may gain prominence in response to the tightening of conventionally copyrighted material. This pool, including open source software and hardware, fanfiction and other open fiction, eBooks, independent video and, with Vocaloid, music may in the near future reach a critical mass that will spawn an alternate "commons" of open-license creative works.
I know that I read fanfiction almost exclusively for entertaining literature, and find enough high-quality material to be satisfying. My MP3 player is loaded almost entirely with Vocaloid J-Pop files, and my computers have quite a lot of open source software that I use instead of software that I would have to purchase.
Entertainment companies may also be anticipating the inevitable growth of an alternate pool of creative media that lies outside their ability to monetize, restrict or protect. If I were prone to conspiracy theories, I would consider it possible that this is an opening shot to slow the creation of this pool.
This is to me a very interesting development, though, because of the recent issues raised by SOPA and PIPA legislation. My thoughts on the possibility of tightening copyrights lead me to conclude that an alternate pool of less-strictly-protected creative material may gain prominence in response to the tightening of conventionally copyrighted material. This pool, including open source software and hardware, fanfiction and other open fiction, eBooks, independent video and, with Vocaloid, music may in the near future reach a critical mass that will spawn an alternate "commons" of open-license creative works.
I know that I read fanfiction almost exclusively for entertaining literature, and find enough high-quality material to be satisfying. My MP3 player is loaded almost entirely with Vocaloid J-Pop files, and my computers have quite a lot of open source software that I use instead of software that I would have to purchase.
Entertainment companies may also be anticipating the inevitable growth of an alternate pool of creative media that lies outside their ability to monetize, restrict or protect. If I were prone to conspiracy theories, I would consider it possible that this is an opening shot to slow the creation of this pool.
WHAT?! Don't die Miku! We're cheering you on! Stop the fake reports!
Might aswell start taking down videos because someone used Windows Movie Maker to make it..
..basically the same amount of copyright infringement..
..basically the same amount of copyright infringement..
that 2nd video was just.... aww...... But yes, this is BS. What the Heck is wrong with America. The Land of the Free, The Freedom to Speak, And the Freedom to Share~!!
WE WANT FREEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMM~~~~!!!
WE WANT FREEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMM~~~~!!!
Well, that's odd.
WHO IS EVER DOING THIS BETTER STOP OR ELSE......YOU WILL END UP HAVING THE REST OF THE VOCALOIDS KILL U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I recently edged out the very cool "uncle Nick" as 'cool uncle' with my brother's girls because of my knowledge of Miku and the other Vocaloids. I'm not giving that up without a fight!
I'm pretty sure that the image of Miku herself is copyrighted. So if you use her in your videos along with the music, then you're breaking copyright laws and giving basis to have them pulled down. The music you create with the software is owned by you, but not her image.
its only breaking the copy right if you use her image commercially, to go and make a fan video of her or anything of the sort for free without asking anything in return isnt breaking the law, but if you would go and use her image to promote a product or to ask for donations or anything that'd give you or someone else money is breaking it.
Do not mess with us Miku fans.
well someone's a hater!! D:
MIKU~!!! D;
2/2/12 by Furi-Yuri
YouTube has to act the way it does or it loses the the safe harbor protections of the DMCA. Whoever is doing this is abusing the DMCA but very little can be done about it. Most people don't have the resources that contesting the take down would open them up to. One of those is a potential lawsuit and the exposure of all their personal data to the DMCA claimant. So once the material is down it may not come back up at all. That makes me sad as I am a Miku fan and enjoyed the subtitled versions of these fan made songs.
Well, someone's giving issue due to the videos, but it's not Crypton Media itself. Due to the fact it's not in Japanese videos that have been targeted, it's some overzealous otaku with too much time on their hands. Also, Anime news network has an article on this story too.
That is some crazy stuff
2/2/12 by magicite54
=) I'm not worried. Some (stupid) people see her as a threat. The thought alone is ludicrous but that is probably the most sincere form of compliment... AND THE FIRST SIGN OF A MUSIC REVOLUTION.
The first shot has been fired... NOW EVERYBODY SING IT WITH ME!!!! (Love is War)
MOU YUKIBA GA NAI WA
KONO KOI NO NETSURYOU ----
The first shot has been fired... NOW EVERYBODY SING IT WITH ME!!!! (Love is War)
MOU YUKIBA GA NAI WA
KONO KOI NO NETSURYOU ----
actually, don't even compare her with anyone else?
and whoever wants to takedown anything that has gone public by the producers themselves? don't they want their videos to be posted and be known everywhere?
and whoever wants to takedown anything that has gone public by the producers themselves? don't they want their videos to be posted and be known everywhere?
2/3/12 by Animedad1
Having seen Miku and her friends both in concert and via DVD's of their other concerts, as well as purchasing CD's of their music. I could say my girls and I like the Vocaloids. This stuff is chicken shit hating from idiots who follow Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber, it's all phony anyway. Vocaloids just take it to a logical conclusion, after all, Miku will never do anything stupid like wear a mini skirt without panties, so someone can snap a shot of her naughty bits and post it on the web for all to gag at.
2/3/12 by MrOtakudom
We must help Miku fight for her right to be on YouTube DX< !!! We must help her DX !!!
2/4/12 by cbluekevin
Whoever's taking down those videos will soon feel Miku's fans' wrath. Long live Hatsune miku.
Meh, I don't really care for Miku as much since I prefer the other VOCALOIDS. Anyways, sad to see this happening. :o
I'm not sure how legitimate the "Save Miku" campaign is.... Some of the videos with Miku in them are taken down because of the rules of the company that the song is "licensed" too. Like for instance, take the songs registered by Sony (I think that was the company.) Sony doesn't allow some/all/whatever songs of theirs to be put on Youtube, so it's natural that they want them off.
And it's not just Miku's videos that are getting flagged. :|
And it's not just Miku's videos that are getting flagged. :|
2/10/12 by Tyenkrovy
The thing to do is contest the removal on the grounds of the "Fair Use" Provisions outlined in Title 17, Chapter 01 Article 107 of the US Copyright Law.
Here's a potentially helpful YouTube video with a disclaimer to play before videos you think might be susceptible to DMCA harassment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2FS7OKnsGE
Here's a potentially helpful YouTube video with a disclaimer to play before videos you think might be susceptible to DMCA harassment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2FS7OKnsGE
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