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This has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of. In order to stop gang violence you are going to pay gang members money to stop being violent. You are literally recreating the Mafia and gang enrollment will skyrocket as people flock to getting the free money. I expect Sacramento to turn into the land of the Road Warrior soon.

Does anyone actually see this as a good idea?



https://bluelivesmatter.blue/sacramento-pay-gang-members-kill/#disqus_thread

Sacramento, CA – The city of Sacramento is setting aside $1.5 million dollars of taxpayers money to pay gang members to stop killing people.

The city council unanimously approved the “Advance Peace” program in an attempt to address their ongoing problem with violent crime, according to Fox News.

The program pays gang members to graduate school and stop shooting at people. If a gang member wants to start killing people, they’ll be forfeiting their taxpayer-funded payday.

The vote had been scheduled to take place in two weeks, but Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg requested that the vote be moved up after five people were shot in a park.

“Five people were shot in Meadowview on Sunday,” Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg said, according to Fox 40. “Let’s get going on doing everything we can to save innocent lives.”

The funding for the payments to the criminal gang members will come from the city’s general fund. The money will go to 50 men who are suspected of killing people, but there’s not enough evidence to prosecute them.

“Fifty is a huge number. That’s 50 shooters who have the possibility of taking a life,” Nicole Clavo said according to KCRA. “If we can reach those 50, how many lives have we changed?”

The Advance Peace program started in Richmond, CA and has been credited by some with reducing murders in the city; Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert disagrees.

“I support the gang prevention task force and the many evidence-based youth mentoring and intervention programs already in existence in the city of Sacramento. I have serious concerns with a program that is apparently based upon the payment of money to high-risk individuals in exchange for a promise not to engage in violent criminal conduct. There is insufficient evidence-based data to show this approach is effective in preventing gun violence.”


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/01/sacramento-plans-to-pay-gang-members-1-5m-to-keep-peace.html
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It can't be the stupidest thing you've ever heard. It's California. They do things as stupid, or stupider, every day. At least the DA seems to disagree, even though she couldn't prevent Sacramento from shooting itself in the head.
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It can't be the stupidest thing you've ever heard. It's California. They do things as stupid, or stupider, every day. At least the DA seems to disagree, even though she couldn't prevent Sacramento from shooting itself in the head.


Its not the dumbest just one of the dumbest ones. Sadly that category is expanding so much its becoming the norm...
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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/08/29/meadowview-park-shooting/

For anyone interested in more accurate information.
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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/08/29/meadowview-park-shooting/

For anyone interested in more accurate information.


Thanks for a decent source. Good to see something counter shitty clickbait.

Here's a relevant excerpt from this article:

The Advanced Peace program is aimed at combatting gun violence in Sacramento by targeting the roughly 50 young men who are believed to be responsible for most of the gun violence in the city. The program is one modeled after a similar, successful one in Richmond that provides participants with high-level mentorship, daily check-ins, case management, and life-goal plans. Per studies presented to the council, from 2010 to 2016 Richmond saw a 50 percent reduction in firearm assaults and 54 percent reduction in related homicides.
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What Rujikin reads:


$1.5 million dollars
taxpayers money
gang members
killing people


What the article says:

The program pays gang members to graduate school and stop shooting at people.


Reading is fundamental. And far less delusional.
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Thanks for a decent source. Good to see something counter shitty clickbait.

Here's a relevant excerpt from this article:

The Advanced Peace program is aimed at combatting gun violence in Sacramento by targeting the roughly 50 young men who are believed to be responsible for most of the gun violence in the city. The program is one modeled after a similar, successful one in Richmond that provides participants with high-level mentorship, daily check-ins, case management, and life-goal plans. Per studies presented to the council, from 2010 to 2016 Richmond saw a 50 percent reduction in firearm assaults and 54 percent reduction in related homicides.


And that's supposed to make it better???
Those Richmond statistics are a bunch of BS. It was just a 50% reduction in homicides and assaults within the group they pamper and give free money to. WOW, so successful. Its like paying homage to a warlord to keep him from raping and murdering your women and burning your village. And then he does it anyway.

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Holy crap I can't believe so many people support giving money to violent criminals to make them maybe stop being so violent "50%" of the time.
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bobland wrote:


KevHunt wrote:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/08/29/meadowview-park-shooting/

For anyone interested in more accurate information.


Thanks for a decent source. Good to see something counter shitty clickbait.

Here's a relevant excerpt from this article:

The Advanced Peace program is aimed at combatting gun violence in Sacramento by targeting the roughly 50 young men who are believed to be responsible for most of the gun violence in the city. The program is one modeled after a similar, successful one in Richmond that provides participants with high-level mentorship, daily check-ins, case management, and life-goal plans. Per studies presented to the council, from 2010 to 2016 Richmond saw a 50 percent reduction in firearm assaults and 54 percent reduction in related homicides.


I'd say this source is the worst of clickbait. I cannot read it due to a giant full screen popup saying "Trumps epa is destroying the water and air" and clicking the tiny x only causes a new window to open.
Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17

"Five people were shot in Meadowview on Sunday," Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg said.

The homicide prompted Steinberg to push up a vote on the controversial Advance Peace program by two weeks.




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Well.. seems some gang members will be upgrading their gear soon....
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I'm a bit at a crossroad on this particular program.
The idea that they take fifty young adults who, supposedly, have been part of violent crimes and potential gang activity and give them the change to better themselves isn't exactly the worst thing I've heard in my life.
The term "high-level mentorship" is a bit of a buzzword that doesn't seem to fit with the overall scope of the proposed "Advance Peace" program.
This would, in most cases, indicate that they're only going to provide a few workshops focused around "improving one's self" and how to set career goals/paths.
One thing that should be mentioned is:


"It's a part of an 18-month fellowship, where participants, known as fellows, are provided access to an array of mentoring, educational and job-training opportunities. They can also receive up to $1,000 per month for nine months after six successful months in the program"

Source: http://www.kcra.com/article/things-to-know-about-the-program-sacramento-hopes-with-curb-gun-violence/12122507


The dividends are only given to these people if they can "stay the course" for six months without falling back to their criminal behavior.
This stipulation is an important one, in my opinion.
It's still not an ideal situation or program.
As mentioned, you're effectively spending taxpayers' money to try to help a minority of violent criminals.
It's pitched and framed as an ideal resolution to locate the "fifty young adults that are responsible for most of the area's gun violence".
They also have to ensure that these individual haven't actually murdered another individual, as that should be a "no go zone" for potential rehabilitation.
I'm all for rehabilitation of those who are willing and able to forego their past crimes and become a model citizen (regardless of their crime).
A program like this is trying to encourage young adults that have been the "most responsible for gun violence" in the area to reject their ways and become a model citizen.
I get that. I understand and respect that.
My concern is actually paying them dividends in "cash" (or rather, actual money) instead of empowering the mentoring program in and of itself.
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Like throwing money at cancer to cure it, but it won't stop cancer.

You know, same thing applies here. You can *Stop* violence with money, but what happens tomorrow? What happens in a week? A month? A year? 10 years?

You can't stop people from being violent, just like you can't stop cancer from finding it's way into people lives. Throwing money at it wont solve it, only the people can solve it.

I know it's hard to do anything without getting money for it, I know. It's hard, real hard. Just like throwing money at our gas prices to *Help* people. Hard times.

It's funny that people don't talk about the waste of money that just gets forgotten, the billions of dollars just thrown away, but yet people don't realize how much waste there really is, and it sickens me to no end.
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I'd say this source is the worst of clickbait. I cannot read it due to a giant full screen popup saying "Trumps epa is destroying the water and air" and clicking the tiny x only causes a new window to open.




something every person who browses the internet should be using
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Also from this "decent source"


Sheriff Scott Jones said in a statement that reads, in part, "I have fundamental objections to this program. I am against significant taxpayer funding (or any money) being paid to people just to NOT commit crimes or shoot people. They do not engage in law enforcement at all, and I have been told that if they become aware of one of the participants committing crime, they will NOT notify law enforcement."


I think that is an extremely valid concern. Did you happen to just skip over this?

I think the emotion is a bit too high and they rushed a bill.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/sacramento/crime

This has a pretty researched count of violent crimes, including murder
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/va/richmond/crime

Both are terrible places and Sacramento has a population double than that of Richmond, and both have similar crime rates according the info presented. This is throwing away money to support a program that was semi-successful in a city half of it's size.

They simply rushed it.
Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17
I wonder how the Asian community there that has been the primary target of violent robberies in the past few years feel about this?
http://www.abc10.com/news/crime/asian-community-in-south-sacramento-say-theyre-being-targeted-by-robbers/311463129

I would be pretty pissed that my tax dollars are going into the pocket of some violent, racist criminals that robbed me so maybe they won't rob and shoot me so much.
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