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Post Reply Police assault 115 pound teenage girl by mistake, then charge her.
Posted 9/8/17 , edited 9/8/17

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Comply and you will be fine.








Haha.
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Kavalion wrote:


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.....I'm sorry, what now?

5'10, age 25-30, 175lbs, bald guy with a machete
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5'2, age 19, 115lb, girl with a backpack?

There's mistaken identity and then there's "What the fuck is wrong with you people?".



She does look like some young dude with a shaved head, though.


5'2 versus 5 '10 though in addition to the weight difference. This can't be overlooked.

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Posted 9/8/17 , edited 9/8/17

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Comply and you will be fine... Sounds like this kid had a sudden case of shit to the brain and started talking back to the police officer. Then when they force "her" to comply she suddenly feels like a victim. Want to not be profiled? That's easy. Dress like a upstanding citizen and not like a fing thug.

Also, it's really easy to hunch and bow your knees to drop some heighth.


But leave it to jaded leftists to demonize cops trying to do their jobs. Mistakes were made, but honestly this sounds like an asshole who got mouthy with the cops, got shit on because that's what cops do with smart asses impeding investigation (and were within their right to do so), and is now using their identity to try and get paid. "Because I'm black" is the slogan of 2017.

Let me learn you something about identity folks. NO ONE CARES. And if you do? guess what? You're racist garbage.

No I don't feel sorry for this young lady. Pretty simple, act like a fucking chump, get put into the ground like a fucking chump. As far as I'm concerned, the officer did their job well. If an officer stops you, you go out of your way to accommodate their reasonable requests. If you know your rights, that's fine, practice them. But acting like an asshole to someone who has absolutely no incentive to be a kind person other than to reciprocate your kindness is asking for some, "pain compliance".

Remember folks, we live in a land of laws. The only thing enforcing those laws is the absolute promise of violence enacted by the "State". Clearly this girls parent(s) didn't teach her how to respect authority. This wouldn't have happened if she would of just treated the officer(s) with respect. Because why respect the men that have the power and ability to put you face down in the ground and lock your ass up, amirite guys??

All of this could have been avoided as I've stressed and will stress again.

DON'T ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE TO THE PORTRAYER OF STATE VIOLENCE AND YOU WON'T GET YOUR ASS KICKED. (disclaimer: In general.)


Riiight.

So, what's your logic on managing to portray a 55 pound weight difference? Suck it in?

You're very correct that mistakes were made - by the authorities. No machete, wrong color backpack, not a bald black male, wrong height and weight. Nailing just the color of the suspect is pretty poor police work. Setting a dog on her? Even worse, evoking images of the Civil Rights era. Let's just add in the fact that the charges against her (resisting arrest, aggravated assault) were dropped, likely because the DA recognized just how badly he and the police department would be roasted for such sloppy work.

Ask yourself this question: Would they have even stopped her if she were white and the suspect was a white male? I'm afraid that to me, the answer is 'probably not'.

Too many LEOs these days seem to have the mindset 'escalate first, evaluate later'. Case in point: The nurse in Utah who was arrested for refusing (as she was required to do by law) to allow blood to be drawn from an unconscious accident victim. She was calm, she was respectful, cited the relevant portions of the law and hospital policy, and even had her supervisor state that the officer could not draw blood lawfully since there was no warrant or consent. Yet the officer hauled her away in handcuffs claiming she was obstructing justice. She has been released, there is a lawsuit, and a federal investigation requested to determine if her civil rights were violated. (Seems like a no-brainer to me, but civil rights violations are handled by federal authorities, not state or local ones.)

I was raised in rural America. We were taught that Law Enforcement was there to help us, when needed. Now, whenever I see an officer of the law, my shoulders hunch, and I wonder if I'm going to be confronted without rhyme or reason. And I'm white. To my mind, we have very good reason to distrust LEOs these days, and incidents like this only reinforce that attitude.

Are there good, professional LEOs? Of course there are, and the majority do strive to better the communities and enforce the law in an appropriate manner. But the bad ones stand out, and sadly they are rarely released from duty, and when they are they just move to another community and start all over.
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Posted 9/8/17 , edited 9/8/17

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5'2 versus 5 '10 though in addition to the weight difference. This can't be overlooked.


I've heard that human eyes are notoriously bad at judging size at a distance, even relatively short distances, mistaking bobcats for cougars and such. They need a good visual reference next to them for comparison.
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Did you even bother to read the article or are you just going off of the narrative that the OP has drawn? She wasn't wearing skin tight clothes. She was wearing baggy, "male" clothes... Really easy to hide how small you are in a baggy set of clothes. I can't believe I have to explain this. You can't see a machete inside of a backpack... she was wearing a cap and in the vicinity . I'm not sure if you understand how searches go, they take vague descriptions and stop everyone who fits those descriptions in any way.

As for stopping her, clearly you missed the part when she fought back and struck an officer, whether intentional or not. Then got the dog sicked on her. This all could have been avoided if people like you didn't build contempt for the most selfless among us. Officers have to deal with garbage people on the daily so you don't.

You bring up the case in Utah which was a vile and disgusting over-reach of power, and the nurse did everything right, with the exception of panicking and screaming like a child when the officer over-stepped his bounds like she expected the citizens around her were going to do something.

I also want to laugh at the whole "officers are scary! AND I'M WHITE!!" I'm browner than literal shit. One day in the sun and I drop like 20 shades of different brown. I was taught that police were the enemy and that nothing I can do will make them happy. The type of family that sees a cop and everyone panics like they're somehow in trouble. How you think about the people protecting you and your property is subjective. Now, I look them in the eye and give them a respectful nod with absolutely no worry that they'll stop me. If they do, I co-operate and assist within my rights and ability. It's pretty simple to not act like an asshole to the people who can and will kick your ass and arrest you. Oh, and by the way, you sound pretty fucking racist. "And I'm white" - So hunched over suspicious white person can't be stopped because they're white?? Or is it, because we're brown that you think we're stopped at random or somehow deserving?? If they were searching for a white man, and accosted your hypothetical little sister that liked to portray herself as a male and she fought back. Would she be absolved of her actions as well?? Or would she be head accountable for her actions? Are you a self hating white person?? I don't get it.




Cute, but you have to pull a gif from a post apocalyptic fantasy world that fits your narrative. This is far, far from an officer over stepping their bounds creating a problem while forcing you to deal with it. This event was a stop in search for a violent potentially murderous suspect. Had they just taken the report and said, "Eh, well he'll turn up eventually carrying a head in his backpack anyway, no need to search the area for him." then you guys would freak out. "WHY DIDN'T THEY FIND HIM AND ARREST HIM!?! WHY WHY WHY WHY??"

Can we stop making excuses for these fucking minorities that think they're special and above the law?
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DON'T ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE


Take your own advice.
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Posted 9/8/17 , edited 9/9/17

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dyme420 wrote:
DON'T ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE


Take your own advice.


You missed the part, "TO THE PORTRAYER OF STATE VIOLENCE AND YOU WON'T GET YOUR ASS KICKED. " I have absolutely no incentive to be nice to these people that demonize the people keeping the peace.


Also, I'm an asshole because I don't believe I'm above suspicion, hence, the law?
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Did you even bother to read the article or are you just going off of the narrative that the OP has drawn? She wasn't wearing skin tight clothes. She was wearing baggy, "male" clothes... Really easy to hide how small you are in a baggy set of clothes. I can't believe I have to explain this. You can't see a machete inside of a backpack... she was wearing a cap and in the vicinity . I'm not sure if you understand how searches go, they take vague descriptions and stop everyone who fits those descriptions in any way.

As for stopping her, clearly you missed the part when she fought back and struck an officer, whether intentional or not. Then got the dog sicked on her. This all could have been avoided if people like you didn't build contempt for the most selfless among us. Officers have to deal with garbage people on the daily so you don't.

You bring up the case in Utah which was a vile and disgusting over-reach of power, and the nurse did everything right, with the exception of panicking and screaming like a child when the officer over-stepped his bounds like she expected the citizens around her were going to do something.

I also want to laugh at the whole "officers are scary! AND I'M WHITE!!" I'm browner than literal shit. One day in the sun and I drop like 20 shades of different brown. I was taught that police were the enemy and that nothing I can do will make them happy. The type of family that sees a cop and everyone panics like they're somehow in trouble. How you think about the people protecting you and your property is subjective. Now, I look them in the eye and give them a respectful nod with absolutely no worry that they'll stop me. If they do, I co-operate and assist within my rights and ability. It's pretty simple to not act like an asshole to the people who can and will kick your ass and arrest you. Oh, and by the way, you sound pretty fucking racist. "And I'm white" - So hunched over suspicious white person can't be stopped because they're white?? Or is it, because we're brown that you think we're stopped at random or somehow deserving?? If they were searching for a white man, and accosted your hypothetical little sister that liked to portray herself as a male and she fought back. Would she be absolved of her actions as well?? Or would she be head accountable for her actions? Are you a self hating white person?? I don't get it.


Yes, I read the article. Did you? Let's go over the description again: 5'10", 172 lbs, bald black male with a backpack and machete.

Here's the description from the police report (which was taken from store surveillance video):

BM, 30's, 5'11", 165 lbs.,

Wearing a White t-shirt, dark jeans,

Black running shoes, holding a pink duffle bag,

And a black backpack


Person stopped (again from the police report):

She was wearing a black hat with a yellow "T" on the front. She was wearing a white short-sleeve shirt, blue jean shorts, and she had a red and black backpack on.

Description given to the officer who stopped her (from his report):

Black male, white shirt, carrying a pink backpack.

If you further read the report you'll note that while she was argumentative, she did initially comply with police demands. The altercation would not have occurred if the officers hadn't had an attack of stupidity and attempted to grab her hands while she was on her bike. Had they moved her onto the sidewalk and then had her dismount, it's probable that there wouldn't have been an altercation. Had they asked her name BEFORE proceeding to "Ima police officer, RAWR!", they might have realized their error and not had the incident at all.

Let's also be clear about something else: She was not read her Miranda rights until she was at the hospital for treatment. That is at the very least a violation of department policy, if not a violation of the law. You are supposed to be read your Miranda rights at the time of arrest, barring extenuating circumstances.

Speaking of the sister I don't have, I might tell her she was stupid for being argumentative, but stronger words would be left for the officers who were clearly not intelligent enough to get into a tactically sound situation first before acting.

"You bring up the case in Utah which was a vile and disgusting over-reach of power, and the nurse did everything right, with the exception of panicking and screaming like a child when the officer over-stepped his bounds like she expected the citizens around her were going to do something."

Let's be clear, again: There were other officers, both university and local police present who did not act in response to an unlawful arrest. She has a right to be vocal about the abrupt abrogation of her rights when the officer is clearly in the wrong. Are you going to be calm and collected when you are suddenly under arrest without due cause, when you were acting within the confines of the law?

'Oh, and by the way, you sound pretty fucking racist.'

Guess what? I won't deny it. I work against it every day, recognize it for what it is, and don't make excuses for it. How about you?

Again, I grew up with the mantra 'Law Enforcement Officers are here to help you', and not 'Law Enforcement Officers can and will respond with disproportionate force at the drop of a hat'.

If you haven't noticed, blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately stopped, arrested, and killed by Law Enforcement. Yet when white people are stopped, they aren't killed as often even when they have been observed as a direct threat to others around them and to arresting officers. That's not right, and it's unsurprising that people of all colors are no longer as trusting of Law Enforcement officers as they should be.
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