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CAT 5 Hurricanes that devasted SE United STATES



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runec wrote:


dichologos wrote:
But claiming "CLIMATE CHANGE BAD" because of a hurricane being bad is not a valid point to make, any more so than when someone has a particularly high snowfall and then uses that as evidence that global warming is a hoax or something equally absurd.


It's a perfectly valid point to make because that's what the science is telling us. And while it's telling us that we have a climate change denier in charge of the EPA at a time when nature is putting a pretty fine point on just how devastating cat 4-5 hurricanes can be. Even NOAA's own models have them projecting a 30% increase in the level of sheer damage Hurricanes cause to Atlantic basin by the end of the century. Due to increasing Hurricane strength. And that projection doesn't even include other factors like rising sea levels.

So no, its not equally absurd. What's absurd is putting a climate change denying idiot in charge of the EPA at a time when the window is rapidly closing for us to do something about the problem looming before us.


First I feel sorry for all affected / but IRMA right after Harvey are worst ever ! Maybe not lives lost but the Costs!!







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In Miami! Stay safe fellow Floridians. It's a real bad one.
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Seem like we keep getting one Hurricanes and another! :/
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First I feel sorry for all affected / but IRMA right after Harvey are worst ever ! Maybe not lives lost but the Costs!!



Because natural disasters never existed until after the industrial revolution, right?


On topic, I hope you have guns and ammo as well as a safe place OP. Looters during Harvey were shooting at everybody, other survivors, firefighters, cajun navy etc.



The ferals will take advantage of law enforcement being tied up and loot even non flooded areas.
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fucking scary
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Two "once in a century" hurricanes in the span of 2 weeks. Not good. Stay safe.

As for the climate change argument, it's not hard to figure out. Higher air and water temperatures create more favorable conditions for hurricane development.
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Irma seems to be dwindling between category 4 and 5, but good news! Jose has now graduated, and advanced to category 4. congratulations Jose
Hurricane Jose now a Category 4 storm with 150 mph winds



Hurricane Irma is now tied for the strongest storm in the Atlantic.
Irma had winds of 150 mph on Friday morning -- and now so does Hurricane Jose.


to put this in perspective,
category 4 is 130 - 156 mph
category 5 is 157+mph

yes, this means Jose only needs a small push to become category 5.

original source: NOAA

meanwhile, Katia has advanced to class 2 category. good luck Katia and rip Mexico.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


FLjerry2011 wrote:

First I feel sorry for all affected / but IRMA right after Harvey are worst ever ! Maybe not lives lost but the Costs!!



Because natural disasters never existed until after the industrial revolution, right?


On topic, I hope you have guns and ammo as well as a safe place OP. Looters during Harvey were shooting at everybody, other survivors, firefighters, cajun navy etc.



The ferals will take advantage of law enforcement being tied up and loot even non flooded areas.


I am surprised that posters are not claiming "Fake News" or "Democratic obstructionists fault." I am also surprised that they are crediting Trump's response when he has literally nothing to do with the actual response system (credit Obama for that)
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Good luck to all in Irma's path! If you can:

GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!

What you can expect if you stay, assuming you survive:

-No power. For those in the immediate landfall area, which looks to be all of South Florida, this will likely be a month, if you're lucky. Those further north could lose power for hours, days or weeks, depending on storm strength.

No power means no AC in South Florida. It means no ATMs, no gas pumps working, no refrigeration. Cell phone service will also likely be disrupted, with loss of power to cell towers, and destruction of cell towers. If you have electrical stoves and ovens, you're not going to be able to cook. You won't be able to use your credit cards for a long time; those stores that reopen will be on a cash basis business for a while.

-Trees. You visual landscape is about to be devastated. Trees in your area are going to go down, and those that survive are going to be denuded of leaves and many branches. Is your home surrounded by lots of trees? They could all fall onto your house. The house across the street from my brother had 20 pine trees fall into it during Katrina.

-PTSD. It's coming, and you'll likely get some even if you evacuate. It will be much worse if you stay.

If you want to see what storm surge can do, check out the videos of the Mississippi Gulf Coast from Katrina. So if you're in an area that can be affected by storm surge, well, I had 3 relatives die during Hurricane Camille from storm surge. Those who survived were almost 30 feet up in trees the next day.

A big mistake people make is that they've ridden out a storm, and think that they've seen the worst. As I was evacuating during Katrina, I can still remember listening to people calling in from Bay St. Louis. They were on the bluffs, and had been fine during Camille, so they were going to ride it out. After all, Katrina wasn't a Cat 5 anymore. But Katrina's size made it much stronger than Camille, which had been a compact storm. Every building and home on the bluffs of Bay St. Louis was destroyed. I'll never know whether those people lived or died.

I've been through a large number of storms, and I know this: Anything Cat 3 and above means evacuate.
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Actually, yeah. Cellphones aren't going to work for a couple weeks. Happened during Katrina, when I found out certain emergency response teams still use pagers.
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gornotck wrote:

Actually, yeah. Cellphones aren't going to work for a couple weeks. Happened during Katrina, when I found out certain emergency response teams still use pagers.


Yeah, there are so many things that people take for granted that are just gone after a major storm. People are going to be hot and miserable, the water system is going to be down for a good while,

Fill up your tubs...and try to put a seal over the drain, because some tubs might slowly drain out even when the drain is closed. You can use that water to put in your toilet tank to flush it when the water pressure is gone. "When it's yellow, let it mellow; when it's brown, flush it down."

If you have access to propane or gas, or you have a generator, you can boil that tub water to drink, if needed. Any extra bottles you have, or even tupperware or other sealable containers, can be used to hold tap water for drinking. You can also fill up large pots to hold water to supplement your tub water.

However, keep in mind that a bathtub might be one of your refuges of last resort if your house is disintegrating around you. Lots of people rode out Andrew in their tubs and closets, with a mattress or other shield over them.

You're going to need more water than you do now, because you're going to be in South Florida humidity and heat with no escape from it.
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First Hurricanes now a massive earthquake, All we need now is a volcano eruption and we will score the hat trick
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One piece of advice. If it's really bad out there and you expect to be without power longer than two or three days, empty out your refrigerator, clean it completely. And do not leave the refrigerator doors closed. I knew someone who did not do that, and the entire refrigerator was lined top to bottom with insect eggs and maggots.
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Worth remembering: Today marks the 117th anniversary of the worst disaster in US history, the 1900 Galveston Hurricane, which killed between 6,000-12,000.
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