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Like everyone on this site, I love my manga and anime. Lately though, I have been watching many critique videos wherein the author of the video mentions tropes, cliches. categories or characteristics which they feel have been overused. I began thinking about this and have come up with a few ideas of what I feel may be good usable twists to these that could make for a good series. I will list them and hopefully other people can add your own ideas here and just maybe we might see one of these in the future.


1. There's no Harem here, just the friend-zone. Six girls but none are interested in the MC romantically.
2. The reverse friend-zone. She isn't ready for romance so the boys all get shot down but at least some are able to stay friends.
3. A classroom slice of life where there isn't a complete idiot or the smartest in the grade in this particular class.
4. A changing room where the locks are actually used, and no one walks in and sees anyone in their underwear.
5. A classroom setting without sexist comments from the boys.
6. High school juniors and seniors who can have an adult conversation about sex.
7. Rivalries that don't start out with one person hating the other.
8. An LGBTQ manga/anime that isn't a complete joke.
9. Parent/Adult/Authority mindsets that reflect 2017, instead of ideas from 1925.
10. Advancement that doesn't come at the cost of someone else.


These are 10 of my ideas. Some people may not like these ideas which is fine and hopefully you all can list yours too.
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A high school drama about a bunch of assholes being assholes to one another over human created drama (Think Netsuzou-NTR, School Days, Scum's Wish) which ends with the main character dissociating with such fools and moving on with their lives to ends that are far more productive, instead of reproductive.

Scum's Wish has no value. It is just a fictionalization of The Jerry Springer Show, and no different than Gilmore Girls or some other crap. This only makes it a novelty, a gimmick, nothing more.
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4. A changing room where the locks are actually used, and no one walks in and sees anyone in their underwear.

Lol. This is a good one. That trope has happened so much in anime, that it's made me wonder if Japanese people even know what locks are.


5. A classroom setting without sexist comments from the boys.
6. High school juniors and seniors who can have an adult conversation about sex.

Japanese people are quite prudish when it comes to actually talking about sex, even the adults. It's not that they're not interested in sex, it's just sort of taboo to talk about that kind of stuff public.



Personally, I'd like to see a shounen battle anime with some actual character development. And no, unlocking Sage Mode, Bankai, or SSJ4 does NOT count as character development.
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That's why I put 5 and 6 together though. There are too many animes/mangas with abhorrent sexist comments and nearly forced rape yet too prudish for an adult conversation about sex? You can't really have it both ways.
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If we are referencing the currently airing Hajimete No Gal, I would say that is the point, the basis of typical teenage behavior for a romantic coming of age to be established. Not sure if well done though.

Aesthetica of a Rouge Hero is another story. I am a bit miffed, but for some series, I find it better to address them at pornographic materials for the sake of fetish pandering than any actual advocating thereof.
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DrunkKanti wrote:

Lol. This is a good one. That trope has happened so much in anime, that it's made me wonder if Japanese people even know what locks are.

I can't recall which series it was, but there was a scene in one anime where the bathroom door was locked, and the person on the other side called it out as suspicious.

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Here is another trope.... quick, someone put a twist on it: School anime's where the students are in charge and you only see 1 or 2 adults just a few times. Seriously... if this was a thing in America, we sure as heck wouldn't have an issue with a declining birth rate not to mention not talking about sex in public lol. Though, come to think of it, we definitely would have an issue with unauthorized absences from classes.
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Nope, everything has already been done before. No such thing as originality or cliches actually exist, just people who think they're critics throwing random terms around.

(Side note: it's very common in Japan for people to leave all kinds of doors unlocked...)
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Battle harem when the male protagonist dies half-way through the series and the surviving female cast is forced to pick up the pieces and defeat the BBEG.
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Nope, everything has already been done before. No such thing as originality or cliches actually exist, just people who think they're critics throwing random terms around.

(Side note: it's very common in Japan for people to leave all kinds of doors unlocked...)


You are right in the fact that tropes are tropes and have been done before. But not everything has been done which is why I thought of the trope twist challenge.

For example: "The Harem Anime" Now I am sure that each of us could list a page or 5 of just Harem anime titles, but the challenge is to make an original twist. One I have thought of is the girls don't fall in love, they all put the MC into the friend zone. If I am mistaken and this anime has been made already then please give me a title so I can enjoy watching it.
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Battle harem when the male protagonist dies half-way through the series and the surviving female cast is forced to pick up the pieces and defeat the BBEG.


This might just be the first battle anime I would watch till the end!
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I can't recall which series it was, but there was a scene in one anime where the bathroom door was locked, and the person on the other side called it out as suspicious.

The first one to come to mind is Kanbaru and Araragi during an episode of Koyomimonogatari. Kanbaru tried to join Araragi in bathing. To her shock and dismay, he locked the door! I think other series have done so, but can't immediately recall those instances.

I want to see a false harem. Where a harem forms around an individual, but their shared goal isn't love but something else. That something else could be wealth/treasure (think multiple Fujiko Mines in concert), secrets, power, influence, or just sadistic satisfaction. Another odd anime I'd like to see is a slice of life series set in a dystopian society.



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DrunkKanti wrote:

Lol. This is a good one. That trope has happened so much in anime, that it's made me wonder if Japanese people even know what locks are.
At my house the only door that locked (besides the doors that go outside) was the sliding door that went to bathtub. And I'd be a rich man if I had a nickel for everytime my grandma opened the bathroom door while I was using it.

Although alot of the newer houses being built tend to be western styled, so they might have locks nowadays.
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Interesting excercise.


Dissimilate wrote:

1. There's no Harem here, just the friend-zone. Six girls but none are interested in the MC romantically.

Interesting idea. I think I'd wonder either why he's the MC, or why the rest of the cast is improbably female.


2. The reverse friend-zone. She isn't ready for romance so the boys all get shot down but at least some are able to stay friends.

I think that's just a friend zone. Tsuredure Children does have a girl who inadvertently friend zoned herself (she'll probably end up fixing that, though.)


3. A classroom slice of life where there isn't a complete idiot or the smartest in the grade in this particular class.

Tough, because if no main character is either it's rarely noted. Say I Love You may qualify.


4. A changing room where the locks are actually used, and no one walks in and sees anyone in their underwear.

Again, the absence of something is rarely shown. I have seen instances where someone walks in and it's not treated as a big deal (Saekano?).


5. A classroom setting without sexist comments from the boys.

Not sure where you're drawing that line. There's surely some that would qualify. (Non Non Biyori?)


6. High school juniors and seniors who can have an adult conversation about sex.

School Days :)


7. Rivalries that don't start out with one person hating the other.

The "worthy rival" is a trope in its own right. Usually that's after earning respect, but I'm sure I've seen some where the respect is there from the beginning. (Food Wars?)


8. An LGBTQ manga/anime that isn't a complete joke.

Wandering Son is pretty good.


9. Parent/Adult/Authority mindsets that reflect 2017, instead of ideas from 1925

Tsuredure Children, or even ye olde Ouran High School Hosts Club.


10. Advancement that doesn't come at the cost of someone else. .

Interesting one. Nobody ends up worse off? Maybe The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?
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Dissimilate wrote:


dwilson2000 wrote:

Nope, everything has already been done before. No such thing as originality or cliches actually exist, just people who think they're critics throwing random terms around.

(Side note: it's very common in Japan for people to leave all kinds of doors unlocked...)


You are right in the fact that tropes are tropes and have been done before. But not everything has been done which is why I thought of the trope twist challenge.

For example: "The Harem Anime" Now I am sure that each of us could list a page or 5 of just Harem anime titles, but the challenge is to make an original twist. One I have thought of is the girls don't fall in love, they all put the MC into the friend zone. If I am mistaken and this anime has been made already then please give me a title so I can enjoy watching it.


It operates as rule34 I imagine, though it may be more aimed at an anime without cliches, than a cliche on its head. That being said...


Seitokai Ni Ichizon is the best contender for a hareming friendzone. Ken is surrounded by six girls he proclaims as his harem, but none actually reciprocate his feelings. Except the blonde one, but her confession is iffy due to her airheadedness.

They do cherish him as a friend, which makes their "confession" of love to him all the more heartwarming by series' end.
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