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For clarification, I see "Isekai" (other world) stories as a genre at this point. They tend to have a few glaring commonalities: They are generally based on web novels, which means plot is a meandering mess and mechanics/rules are introduced willy nilly. MC is reincarnated/transported to another world possessing cheat-level powers, and all knowledge he/she possessed of our world. They then use said abilities and knowledge to revolutionize the world, and beat up all the bad guys, while gaining a harem at the same time. Characters are very shallow, if not straight up tropes, and MC has zero character development and faces no real adversity due to his/her ridiculous OP-ness. And, oddly enough, MC is often (though not always) a complete sociopath with zero regard for human life. Personally, I find a character like that completely unrelatable, but I suppose there must be a demand for it. While obviously not all of these factors are always in play, you can be sure at least a few are in every Isekai story out there right now.

To the best of my knowledge, it seems Shield Hero kicked off this craze, and admittedly at the time it was a different and interesting idea. However we're now being bombarded with Isekai stories. This season alone, we've got 3 different Isekai anime: Knights, Smartphone, Restaurant.

Due to the tropes commonly used, it just doesn't make for good writing, IMO. Conflict is the motivator for plot development, yet any conflict in Isekai stories is little more than a parody thanks to OP MCs. Rival characters almost never exist as MC is too overpowered (hell, there's sometimes not even another prominent male character), and often as not the real enemy is a god or something like it for the same reason. Romance should be downright insulting to women, I would think, as all the female characters fall into the stereotypes of childhood friend, damsel in distress, or fellow party member, and they all fall for MC unconditionally (as does nearly every other female character MC meets). Which brings up the highly unrealistic aspects of polygamy involved. MC usually has a harem of 3+ women who, while not being in polygamist societies, still accept sharing him.

/Rant

Sorry, gotta bit carried away. As a long time anime viewer and manga/lightnovel reader, I'm just getting more and more irritated with poorly written, copied-and-pasted stories being thrown at us, and Isekai is the absolute worst of the bunch.
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nah it's definitely just you.
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I would not say they are quite that numerous, if they even follow the exact formula. Never quite noticed it. Is Restaurant even an Isekai? The synopsis doesn't seem to support it, and Isekai is just a term. It does not make it said anime an Isekai anime anymore than Hentai Ouji To Warawanai Neko (Henneko) is hentai.
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No I'm not tired of isekai stories at all, though don't worry you're not alone. I hear a lot of people saying the same thing. I'm tired of those shared attributes they tend to have like you were talking about, sure. Just because it's an isekai story doesn't mean that it has to have those bad qualities though. You were complaining a lot about overpowered main characters, but an isekai story doesn't have to have that. A lot of them do, sure, so I'd understand it if you said you were tired of overpowered main characters in isekai. However, just being annoyed by the genre (and yes it definitely is a genre at this point) doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

Personally I continue to like isekai stories, though none of the ones this season were all that interesting.
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You're free to like and dislike what ever you please. I like 'Restaurant' and I find 'Smartphone' to be amusing and not meant to be taken seriously. Do you consider SAO to be Isekai? I agree there has been some sloppy writing.. for example 'Charlotte' was a huge example of that when it introduced a new rule toward the end. It was like: WHAT???? When did that become a rule? And if it is a rule why did the person ignore it? I, speaking only for myself, do not hate any genre. But I do dislike dark and violent anime no matter the genre. So to answer your question no I am not tired of 'Isekai' anime, but I try to go into each one with zero expectations.
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If we are going to talk inherent genre hate, allow me to rant. Human to Human created drama among humans is painful for me, and should not exist. There is nothing intelligent, because the drama I am ranting about concerns incredibly asinine asses being jerks over the pettiness of slights, and general melodramatic tendencies I hate. School Days. Scums Wish. Netsuzou Trap. They do what they do well, but I gain nothing, nor do I see how anyone else does either. Most people end up infuriated, I simply am a mixture of rage and apathy. Rage at the seemingly mentally handicapped characters not doing the simple thing of walking away, but instead contributing to the raging pit of maliciousness they stand to gain nothing from. This is not a satisfying revenge tale, because there is nothing I would be so upset about to stew over.

People seem to have this weird fucking idea that the more terrible a person acts, the more "depth" a show has, or more realism, but that is simply a juvenile thought for the uninitiated. In any case, it is unsatisfying when no one obeys the simplest of rationale that these shows operate under, mainly due to wanting to create a big spectacle at the end, a flaming train wreck that panders to the sadist in all of us.

I...do not see what the point is. I know how terrible people can act. I know how stupid they can be. This subgenre of drama simply doesn't offer a cogent explanation.


Eh, sorry. I dislike these sorts of shows. They're, to borrow a hackneyed phrase, "low brow pandering garbage".
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I am not sick of the idea, but the way it's executed is a little repetitive. Zero no Tsukaima was probably the best of the original genre, but otaku decided that wasn't wish fulfillment enough, so they refined it into something almost purely wish fulfillment, SAO and eventually the end of the line Smartphone.

I do think that a capable main character is necessary for these stories, otherwise the transported to a different world part becomes irrelevant. For example, you can consider Here and Now, Then and There an Isekai story. However, in that the MC is pretty much always powerless and gets tortured to hell, young girls get raped left and right, towns get overrun children taken in as soldiers, women as sex slaves. It's the worst case scenario for an Isekai story, and few people know of it, the ones that do don't consider it an isekai story. It's not hentai btw.

My comfortable space with these stories is Log Horizon. The MC is capable, but the story focuses more on the world and the community than just masturbating over his exploits over and over. That is what I was also hoping to get out of SAO when I heard about it, a community story, kind of like Naruto in an MMO, but unfortunately it really just became the harbinger of romcom power fantasies.
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Restaurant to Another World is hardly an isekai show in the same vein as Konosuba or Re:Zero and the like. Certainly not in a copy and paste way, as you claim a lot of them currently are, at the end of your post. As for Knights & Magic, the other world aspect is so flimsy, there's no real reason to treat it as an isekai show 99% of the time. I haven't been watching smartphone, and that's mostly because I've only heard pretty bad things about it. And this leads to say you don't need to watch everything in a season. In fact, taking on more than you can handle is more a chore than entertainment. So you don't need to watch isekai shows if you don't get any enjoyment out of them anymore. It's just common sense. Don't watch things you know you don't like, and just save time for other things you're more likely to like. Pretty obvious solution.
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There sure has been a glut of them, partly due to SAO's massive success and partly because they're inherently appealing.

But like with anything else, it can be done well (Re: Zero, Konosuba), poorly (Smartphone), or anywhere in between (Knight's & Magic.) (Restaurant is different beast, I think, although it has a reverse-isekai element.)
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Did The Saga of Tanya the Evil fit into isekai? She gets reborn in another world, though very similar to ours.
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I have to agree with xxJing on this one and would mostly be repeating what he said if I was to contribute much beyond this sentence. It's all of
the wish fulfilment circle jerking shows that have very little to do with the genre itself and are just using it as a vehicles for their drivel, much like a lot of the harem genre, that I dislike.
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Notice how battle harem shows used to be the thing, now its isekai shows. Give it time and the phase will pass.
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Dushan wrote:

Did The Saga of Tanya the Evil fit into isekai? She gets reborn in another world, though very similar to ours.


Did she remember her previous life? I'd say that was a necessary component (though it's arguable.) I don't recall her retaining anything aside from an aversion to Being X.
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MadeDragon wrote:


Dushan wrote:

Did The Saga of Tanya the Evil fit into isekai? She gets reborn in another world, though very similar to ours.


Did she remember her previous life? I'd say that was a necessary component (though it's arguable.) I don't recall her retaining anything aside from an aversion to Being X.


Actaully, yes, she remembers being a buisnessman, and her history she applies to battles she fights. Is why she drafts the first...opinion on World Wars, which have never been experienced yet in her new world.
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