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Now I'm just confused on what the isekai genre actually is.
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Actually Tanya falls DIRECTLY into several of the stereotypical Isekai stuff I mentioned: Overpowered MC, Bad Guy is God, and sociopath MC. In any other work, she'd be the villain, not the hero. But we're somehow supposed to root for her.
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CKD-Anime wrote:

Now I'm just confused on what the isekai genre actually is.


I'm speaking specifically to the one's popularized in the last 10 years or so. I describe them in detail in my op. Think web novel's with ridiculously op MCs and insta-harems.
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Dushan wrote:


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Actaully, yes, she remembers being a buisnessman, and her history she applies to battles she fights. Is why she drafts the first...opinion on World Wars, which have never been experienced yet in her new world.


I'll need to rewatch it, but that would make it isekai. (Also, horrifying. Imagine being an infant--or fetus--with an adult mind.)
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Gafennec wrote:

You're free to like and dislike what ever you please. I like 'Restaurant' and I find 'Smartphone' to be amusing and not meant to be taken seriously. Do you consider SAO to be Isekai? I agree there has been some sloppy writing.. for example 'Charlotte' was a huge example of that when it introduced a new rule toward the end. It was like: WHAT???? When did that become a rule? And if it is a rule why did the person ignore it? I, speaking only for myself, do not hate any genre. But I do dislike dark and violent anime no matter the genre. So to answer your question no I am not tired of 'Isekai' anime, but I try to go into each one with zero expectations.


No, I'm not considering SAO the same thing as what I'm speaking of. Though it would definitely be a precursor to these ones. In SAO, Kirito had a well developed relationship with Asuna, and had to work from the ground up for his skills. Nothing felt cheap or mashed together like the current web novel Isekai craze. And there is definitely decent Isekai material still being made, but it seems nearly everything with Isekai in the title is being crammed down our throat.
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CKD-Anime wrote:

Now I'm just confused on what the isekai genre actually is.


Well, I think when most people talk about it these days it's a combination of certain attributes, though I don't like classifying it based just on that.

Most people consider it any anime that has "The main character transported into a fantasy world, he gets special powers / uses his knowledge or skill to become a hero, and he has a harem."

However, to me, that mainly seems like just an extension of the typical battle-harem. Except you add the attribute that the main character was transported to another world.

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I myself would really like to just classify it based on that "transported to a fantasy world" trait, since that's what is important, and there is always a good story waiting to be told with that. The other stuff is just a battle-harem looking for an excuse.
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SirBacon24 wrote:

No I'm not tired of isekai stories at all, though don't worry you're not alone. I hear a lot of people saying the same thing. I'm tired of those shared attributes they tend to have like you were talking about, sure. Just because it's an isekai story doesn't mean that it has to have those bad qualities though. You were complaining a lot about overpowered main characters, but an isekai story doesn't have to have that. A lot of them do, sure, so I'd understand it if you said you were tired of overpowered main characters in isekai. However, just being annoyed by the genre (and yes it definitely is a genre at this point) doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

Personally I continue to like isekai stories, though none of the ones this season were all that interesting.


There are definitely still decent ones out there, but it seems almost everything with Isekai in the title is getting adapted into novels, manga, and anime.
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She remembered her previous life alright. Tanya was indeed an isekai story, though one markedly different from the ones being ranted about here. Part of the difference was that Youjo Senki doesn't feature most of the cliches now associated with the genre (mainly because they simply wouldn't fit into the type of story being told) and partly because Tanya is in the body of an underaged female.

The biggest reason we don't discuss Youjo Senki when talking about modern isekai is that YS has an actual story that it wants to tell, with actual characters and themes, and it uses the isekai plot device to enhance those aspects rather than using it as a vehicle for easy wish fulfillment.
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CKD-Anime wrote:

Now I'm just confused on what the isekai genre actually is.


Well, I think when most people talk about it these days it's a combination of certain attributes, though I don't like classifying it based just on that.

Most people consider it any anime that has "The main character transported into a fantasy world, he gets special powers / uses his knowledge or skill to become a hero, and he has a harem."

However, to me, that mainly seems like just an extension of the typical battle-harem. Except you add the attribute that the main character was transported to another world.

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I myself would really like to just classify it based on that "transported to a fantasy world" trait, since that's what is important, and there is always a good story waiting to be told with that. The other stuff is just a battle-harem looking for an excuse.


You're more or less in line with me. But where I would say the crucial difference between Battle-harems and Isekai lies is that MCs in battle-harems actually have to develop and train their skills. The have conflicts, and improve. Isekai MCs are generally just given incredible power (thinking ground-breaking, godlike power) at the outset. It makes all conflicts meaningless.
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She remembered her previous life alright. Tanya was indeed an isekai story, though one markedly different from the ones being ranted about here. Part of the difference was that Youjo Senki doesn't feature most of the cliches now associated with the genre (mainly because they simply wouldn't fit into the type of story being told) and partly because Tanya is in the body of an underaged female.

The biggest reason we don't discuss Youjo Senki when talking about modern isekai is that YS has an actual story that it wants to tell, with actual characters and themes, and it uses the isekai plot device to enhance those aspects rather than using it as a vehicle for easy wish fulfillment.


I would definitely agree that while YS falls into my definition of an Isekai work, it's drastically different in it's portrayal. One of the "good" ones, IMO.
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Yes. Well at least be a bit clever with them like Tanya the evil or Konsuba!
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No, I'm not considering SAO the same thing as what I'm speaking of. Though it would definitely be a precursor to these ones. In SAO, Kirito had a well developed relationship with Asuna, and had to work from the ground up for his skills. Nothing felt cheap or mashed together like the current web novel Isekai craze. And there is definitely decent Isekai material still being made, but it seems nearly everything with Isekai in the title is being crammed down our throat.


SAO is the impetus for a lot of the isekai craze (especially anime adaptations.) A lot of its popularity was based on eating its cake and having it too.

Overpowered MC? Check! Had to put in some effort? Check! He was one of hundreds of beta testers... the rest of whom put together a guide for newbies... while MC did solos and TPKs...

*AHEM!*

Relationship that makes some progression? Check! Wannabe Harem? Check! Including your sister? Check? Not your sister by blood! Check! Adoptive foundling Child? ...Check? OK, that was weird but we can literally box her up for now...

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There are some good isekai's out there. I have a couple recommendations (if you don't mind doing a bit of reading).

Ouroboros - Circus of Oubeniel
WN about a man who died and was reborn in stereotypical fantasy world. But he didn't get any real superpowers beyond what's relatively normal for the world, and dying was such a horrifying experience for him that he becomes obsessed with making himself immortal by any means necessary so as to avoid repeating the experience. He basically becomes a sociopathic mad scientist performing horrific experiments on people. As you'd expect, everyone views him (rightly so) as a despicable monster. Total villain protagonist.

Not much of this is translated yet, but what we can read so far has been interesting.

Kumo desu ga, nani ka?
Also a WN and you might have heard of this one before. Basically has a female mc reborn as a monster in a video game-like world along with all her classmates from Earth. Unlike the others however, she gets barely any powers and is born into a dangerous environment where she has to struggle every day just to survive being the weakest creature at the bottom of a vicious food chain. If you want to see someone having to work with everything they have to become strong in an environment that changes her as much as she changes it, this one's pretty good.
Incidentally this series makes a pretty blatant jab at exactly the kind of stories being discussed in this thread.

These are just two that I personally enjoy.
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MrOnan wrote:

Notice how battle harem shows used to be the thing, now its isekai shows. Give it time and the phase will pass.


I think this is basically what's happening. There is always at least one fad going on in anime.
I also think you're smart to connect those two types of shows, because they both fill the "young nerdy male wish fulfillment" niche.
I know there are isekai shows that have more depth, but the original post seemed to criticizing OP, power fantasy main characters. That type of writing does show up a lot in isekai, and battle harem shows.
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MadeDragon wrote:

SAO is the impetus for a lot of the isekai craze (especially anime adaptations.) A lot of its popularity was based on eating its cake and having it too.

Overpowered MC? Check! Had to put in some effort? Check! He was one of hundreds of beta testers... the rest of whom put together a guide for newbies... while MC did solos and TPKs...

*AHEM!*

Relationship that makes some progression? Check! Wannabe Harem? Check! Including your sister? Check? Not your sister by blood! Check! Adoptive foundling Child? ...Check? OK, that was weird but we can literally box her up for now...



I find that the SAO type of story telling that has become popular in recent times feels WAAAY too much like fan fiction for me to stomach personally. By that I mean that the way these shows tell stories is extremely straight forward, they don't bother to foster a mystery that promotes theorycrafting. They are really just heroic moment after heroic moment and all tension is thrown out the window. If they were designed to be comedies or Slice of Life anime, that would be fine, but they really feel more like if you took just the epic moments from a fully realized anime, and built a story around them. It's essentially cutting the fat, the difficult part of story telling, and just putting in the cool moments.
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