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SAO is the impetus for a lot of the isekai craze (especially anime adaptations.) A lot of its popularity was based on eating its cake and having it too.

Overpowered MC? Check! Had to put in some effort? Check! He was one of hundreds of beta testers... the rest of whom put together a guide for newbies... while MC did solos and TPKs...

*AHEM!*

Relationship that makes some progression? Check! Wannabe Harem? Check! Including your sister? Check? Not your sister by blood! Check! Adoptive foundling Child? ...Check? OK, that was weird but we can literally box her up for now...



I find that the SAO type of story telling that has become popular in recent times feels WAAAY too much like fan fiction for me to stomach personally. By that I mean that the way these shows tell stories is extremely straight forward, they don't bother to foster a mystery that promotes theorycrafting. They are really just heroic moment after heroic moment and all tension is thrown out the window. If they were designed to be comedies or Slice of Life anime, that would be fine, but they really feel more like if you took just the epic moments from a fully realized anime, and built a story around them. It's essentially cutting the fat, the difficult part of story telling, and just putting in the cool moments.


OTOH, they're largely what it says on the tin. If you want an escapist fantasy and you're trying to put your brain on hold, that's appealing.

The flip side may be something like Classroom of the Elite, which promises a reward for close reading but so far has yet to deliver.
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Here are all the isekai t.v. series I could find, not counting shows that are really just about space or time travel. Also excluding sequels. These are all shows where the main characters are sent to another world, whether it's by some portal, a god, or some other higher power at work.



I likely missed some, but this should be enough to give people an accurate idea of how many isekai shows fall into the tropes mentioned in the OP.

Out of all of these, SAO, GATE, and Smartphone are the only ones I know of that have harems present. Even if it's not focused on in GATE, there are still at least 3 girls who have an interest in Itami. Others like Overlord, Re:Zero, Konosuba (later in the light novels) have 2 girls with feelings for the protagonist or 2 love interests. I've seen the start of Inuyasha a long time ago and remember there was a love triangle between Inuyasha and 2 girls. SAO, NGNL, Log Horizon, Tanya, Digimon Xros Wars, Problem Children (I think) and Overlord have overpowered protagonists by their respective shows' standards. Even if they're not that good at combat, some of them are Gary Stus who have everything go their way. There's no "sociopath" protagonist anywhere except for Overlord, which is only because the protagonist losing his humanity is a side effect of becoming his lich avatar, and Drifters since the MC is a cold blooded warrior who loves beheading people. Shows with female characters being nothing but damsels who fall in love with the protagonist unconditionally include SAO and... I'll get back to you on that one... maybe.

It should also be noted that some shows I listed are so different from the norm that it's questionable whether or not they actually belong here. Flip Flappers is about 2 girls who visit a different version of another world called Pure Illusion every episode. Restaurant to Another World is about the very portal/doorway that connects the restaurant to various locations in the fantasy world.

I'm sure a few of the shows in red have at least 1 trope mentioned, but I doubt all of them do and even for the ones that do, I doubt they have more than 2. I've read a bit about some of them so I already have an idea. Maybe someone who has seen those shows I highlighted in red can confirm.

To answer the question in the title, no I don't feel that way. I don't mind that this is the new big trend and I actually really enjoyed a lot of the isekai shows I've watched in recent years.
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Here are all the isekai t.v. series I could find, not counting shows that are really just about space or time travel. Also excluding sequels. These are all shows where the main characters are sent to another world, whether it's by some portal, a god, or some other higher power at work.



I likely missed some, but this should be enough to give people an accurate idea of how many isekai shows fall into the tropes mentioned in the OP.

Out of all of these, SAO, GATE, and Smartphone are the only ones I know of that have harems present. Even if it's not focused on in GATE, there are still at least 3 girls who have an interest in Itami. Others like Overlord, Re:Zero, Konosuba (later in the light novels) have 2 girls with feelings for the protagonist or 2 love interests. I've seen the start of Inuyasha a long time ago and remember there was a love triangle between Inuyasha and 2 girls. SAO, NGNL, Log Horizon, Tanya, Digimon Xros Wars, Problem Children (I think) and Overlord have overpowered protagonists by their respective shows' standards. Even if they're not that good at combat, some of them are Gary Stus who have everything go their way. There's no "sociopath" protagonist anywhere except for Overlord, which is only because the protagonist losing his humanity is a side effect of becoming his lich avatar, and Drifters since the MC is a cold blooded warrior who loves beheading people. Shows with female characters being nothing but damsels who fall in love with the protagonist unconditionally include SAO and... I'll get back to you on that one... maybe.

It should also be noted that some shows I listed are so different from the norm that it's questionable whether or not they actually belong here. Flip Flappers is about 2 girls who visit a different version of another world called Pure Illusion every episode. Restaurant to Another World is about the very portal/doorway that connects the restaurant to various locations in the fantasy world.

I'm sure a few of the shows in red have at least 1 trope mentioned, but I doubt all of them do and even for the ones that do, I doubt they have more than 2. I've read a bit about some of them so I already have an idea. Maybe someone who has seen those shows I highlighted in red can confirm.

To answer the question in the title, no I don't feel that way. I don't mind that this is the new big trend and I actually really enjoyed a lot of the isekai shows I've watched in recent years.


Tsubasa Chronicles is technically, but rather than being stuck in one fantasy world, the main characters are forced to hop from fantasy world to fantasy world. They even get trapped in an MMO near the end of season 1. I think where it differs though is that the main characters aren't from our normal earth, but rather they are originally also from another fantasy world.

I personally would recommend it, however, it is done by the same production team as .hack//sign, and it is VERY noticeable that it is. Same cinematography, same music direction (same music composer : Kajiura Yuki). The pacing is also very similar. So if you are one of the many people who find .hack//sign boring, then things may not look so bright for Tsubasa Chronicle. That said I thought watching it was a very odd dream like experience, it's a somewhat hypnotic show.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

Here are all the isekai t.v. series I could find, not counting shows that are really just about space or time travel. Also excluding sequels. These are all shows where the main characters are sent to another world, whether it's by some portal, a god, or some other higher power at work.
SAO
Does SAO even count as isekai? When you use VR its not like you are mentally (or physically) transported somewhere else. Lets say realistically there was a glitch that wouldn't let you log out, even if you were in that VR-induced coma (that somehow keeps your body from moving). All you would have to do would be to take the helmet off and you'd be fine even though you didn't log out

edit: but yea, I don't think Isekai Shokudou is isekai (even though its in the title). If all it takes is being able to go from world to another, then shows like YuYuHakusho could be consider isekai. (ie kid dies, get sent to the spirit realm, gets powers, gets resurrected (granted back on Earth, but he does go to the demon realm later on))
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PhantomGundam wrote:

Here are all the isekai t.v. series I could find, not counting shows that are really just about space or time travel. Also excluding sequels. These are all shows where the main characters are sent to another world, whether it's by some portal, a god, or some other higher power at work.



I likely missed some, but this should be enough to give people an accurate idea of how many isekai shows fall into the tropes mentioned in the OP.

Out of all of these, SAO, GATE, and Smartphone are the only ones I know of that have harems present. Even if it's not focused on in GATE, there are still at least 3 girls who have an interest in Itami. Others like Overlord, Re:Zero, Konosuba (later in the light novels) have 2 girls with feelings for the protagonist or 2 love interests. I've seen the start of Inuyasha a long time ago and remember there was a love triangle between Inuyasha and 2 girls. SAO, NGNL, Log Horizon, Tanya, Digimon Xros Wars, Problem Children (I think) and Overlord have overpowered protagonists by their respective shows' standards. Even if they're not that good at combat, some of them are Gary Stus who have everything go their way. There's no "sociopath" protagonist anywhere except for Overlord, which is only because the protagonist losing his humanity is a side effect of becoming his lich avatar, and Drifters since the MC is a cold blooded warrior who loves beheading people. Shows with female characters being nothing but damsels who fall in love with the protagonist unconditionally include SAO and... I'll get back to you on that one... maybe.

It should also be noted that some shows I listed are so different from the norm that it's questionable whether or not they actually belong here. Flip Flappers is about 2 girls who visit a different version of another world called Pure Illusion every episode. Restaurant to Another World is about the very portal/doorway that connects the restaurant to various locations in the fantasy world.

I'm sure a few of the shows in red have at least 1 trope mentioned, but I doubt all of them do and even for the ones that do, I doubt they have more than 2. I've read a bit about some of them so I already have an idea. Maybe someone who has seen those shows I highlighted in red can confirm.

To answer the question in the title, no I don't feel that way. I don't mind that this is the new big trend and I actually really enjoyed a lot of the isekai shows I've watched in recent years.


I'm not speaking purely anime (sorry, I know this is the anime forum). Search for lightnovel/webnovel translations or open any manga site and you'll see a ton of Isekai stories that haven't been made into anime. Only the most popular stuff becomes anime, and usually they manage to avoid a lot of the tropes I'm speaking of (which is why they're popular). And I fully expect anime to become flooded with more Isekai stuff, as it hasn't calmed down at all on the novel or manga circuits. They've already announced a Shield Hero adaptation, and with the popularity of several others, (Death March, kumo desu ga, Arifureta, kuro no maou, Isekai Maou, tsuki ga michibiku, New Gate, and a plethora of others) I expect more on the horizon. Some are great, but most fall into several of the aforementioned tropes. If you're not sick of them now, give it a few years. Then you'll become jaded like me
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PhantomGundam wrote:

Here are all the isekai t.v. series I could find, not counting shows that are really just about space or time travel. Also excluding sequels. These are all shows where the main characters are sent to another world, whether it's by some portal, a god, or some other higher power at work.
SAO
Does SAO even count as isekai? When you use VR its not like you are mentally (or physically) transported somewhere else. Lets say realistically there was a glitch that wouldn't let you log out, even if you were in that VR-induced coma (that somehow keeps your body from moving). All you would have to do would be to take the helmet off and you'd be fine even though you didn't log out


I mentioned it earlier, but I personally don't count SAO in the same category. The original work was NOT a harem by any means, kirito had a devoted relationship with asuna, all the other female characters came about as a result of the publisher deciding to do sword art progressive and other spin-off works. And unlike the ridiculously op characters I'm talking about, Kirito was on par with the rest of his high level group, not some god-like being that completely outclassed everybody.
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I mentioned it earlier, but I personally don't count SAO in the same category. The original work was NOT a harem by any means, kirito had a devoted relationship with asuna, all the other female characters came about as a result of the publisher deciding to do sword art progressive and other spin-off works. And unlike the ridiculously op characters I'm talking about, Kirito was on par with the rest of his high level group, not some god-like being that completely outclassed everybody.
I'm asking if it is consider isekai in general, not by your specific definition of certain isekai material.

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Nope it might be popular right now but it will die back, I feel allot of creators are in on the trend at the insistence of editors or wanting to break in.

But it will always be around in one form or another. As it is in fact an old old way of making a story.
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I would have had to realize that this was apparently now an anime genre to be able to become exasperated with them.
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While I love the concept, not just in anime but in any fantasy genre in general, it does often lend itself to a serious case of Gary Stu/Mary Sue when it comes to anime. Often I feel like they simply went through a checklist of must-haves to satisfy a certain demographic, and the story and worldbulding came more than a bit secondary to that.

Even in some of the better examples of the genre I sometimes get annoyed with the focus of the story and characters. The reason I find this genre fascinating is that I enjoy idea of seeing a different world and society, and watching a story of someone adapting to that world, using a bit of what they knew from before and what they learn as they go. I do not like seeing characters change some society basically into our world (through influence, or other means), or learning nothing much new as if we humans here are somehow supreme beings in existence. Or cases where it starts out about adapting to a foreign world and society but somehow quickly devolves into the usual political intrigue just set in an another setting with our MC applying the above said.

I'm not saying all Isekai are like this or that I wouldn't give a new Isekai anime a chance, exactly because I really like the concept and have seen a few that I did enjoy for one reason or another. But that is also why I get upset and disappointed with so many examples of the genre out there.
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I think the obsession and hate both come from the fact that NO ONE has done it right yet. Every story from SAO to even the recent Re:Zero has missed a key point in the alternate world tale that makes you feel like you want something better. If and when a novel/anime/manga does it right everything else will seem sub-par and the demand will die out.
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While don't hate them, they should slow down a bit. That's how i see it.

And while we're at it: like MadeDragon above sums the series is something i agree. Smartphone could be better but i have some complains about it. I'll save them in it's threat once it ends.
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Nah. They're pretty easy to avoid. Most of them have the word "Isekai" right there in the title. Then again, sometime there are some real gems. Like Re:Zero. Almost skipped that because of the Isekai element but then saw some good reviews.
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Posted 9/12/17
Not really, but my favorite book series (The Guardians of the Flame) is an Isekai story. So, like I enjoy the genre as a whole.
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ShieldBro wasn't even the first big Isekai, Mushoku Tensei came before it.

Although, I do see where you are coming from with this sentiment. However, this issue of absolutely unoriginal stories with terrible titles hasn't really hit anime yet. There are tons of WNs out there that will never see the light of anime adaptation ,and deservedly so. But however, there are some diamonds buried in the roughs, and there are some really good stories buried in the pile of shit. There is a flood of new Isekai WNs recently, and there are plenty that are good out of that bunch.

Anime has yet to see the big Isekai series yet, although they should be coming soon.
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