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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/13/17

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Inhuman characters were created in the early 1960s.........they predate fairy tail by decades.


This. Plus, from all current reports, Fairy Tail ran for 300+ episodes, and Inhumans is lucky to get three.

But if it's any consolation to the OP, most other non-comic readers have never heard of the 60's characters, either--And we're only getting the show because the idea of Marvel doing a Movie to thumb their nose at Fox's X-Mutants didn't work out. (For reasons that are now obvious.)
Me, I'd only heard of Black Bolt from an art poster, and Medusa from the old 80's Spiderman & Firestar cartoon.
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Exactly what was my claim??? Ya know what? Just forget it, for real, I gotta call it quits on this topic before I pull all my hair out.
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So wrong with sense of history / check before you post
Said the person who can't even read the OP post.

I'm facepalming and this isn't even my thread. The OP never said it was a rip off, all the OP said was that these two characters were similar. Granted there isn't much to discuss besides just drawing lines between similar characters from one show to the other. But I digress.

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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/13/17

RhondaJo wrote:

Exactly what was my claim??? Ya know what? Just forget it, for real, I gotta call it quits on this topic before I pull all my hair out.



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FLjerry2011 wrote:
So wrong with sense of history / check before you post
Said the person who can't even read the OP post.

I'm facepalming and this isn't even my thread. The OP never said it was a rip off, all the OP said was that these two characters were similar. Granted there isn't much to discuss besides just drawing lines between similar characters from one show to the other. But I digress.



The thread's title is "Way too similar (ABC's Inhumans and Fairy Tail)", with "too" implying excessive. Excessive similarities will have one expect copyright issues, plagiarism, a ripoff, etc.

And you said yourself CKD-Anime. What is the point of thread, if but to "seemingly" draw comparisons, on a show that has yet to debut? What is the point of drawing comparisons, if that is all one thinks it to be?

If you cannot bother to acknowledge your mistake OP, or even edit the opening post, it is on you. Sorry, but I do not blame people for this assumption, nor do I think they have such a responsibility to read anything other than the opening post before replying, which hasn't address said claims, especially since I felt you have not addressed my posts without clearly reading them.

The idea of no claim borders on a technicality, which can be surmised to mean that you forgot to put forth a claim directly, as I have done, but the opening post did not clear things up, and the purpose of the thread seems meaningless if but to draw comparisons, and the title gives the wrong impression.

I hope I do not mean to offend you, but I was hoping you would read it. You can report said thread to close it, by hitting your opening post, and asking a mod to close it.
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Lord of the Rings books predate Harry Potter by almost 50 years, so it would be Harry Potter that ripped off Lord of the Rings. J.K. Rowling wasn't even alive when LotR was written.
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Lord of the Rings books predate Harry Potter by almost 50 years, so it would be Harry Potter that ripped off Lord of the Rings. J.K. Rowling wasn't even alive when LotR was written.


Indeed, but keep in mind my intentions. I do not find it particularly difficult when the picture was part of a post, and my wording was meant to put it in context, as well as the thread's apparent purpose.
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TBF it isn't just the characters in Fairy Tail that take unusually large "influences" from other works. You'd be amazed how much of the sound track from the anime and movies bear, ahem... similarities, to the work of European folk and power metal bands. The main theme alone is Hammerfall with new paint thrown over it.

Not that I dislike the series for it. I still like it.
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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/14/17
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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/14/17

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Well I understood what the OP meant based on the title lol (and I can understand that people might be confused and make a wrong assumption that the OP might be talking ripoffs). However even if you go with your expected meaning of "way too similar", the title still doesn't say which is the ripoff, so I don't really get why people are jumping the OP with their assumptions of "Inhumans is a ripoff of Fairytail", when the OP could be saying "Fairy Tail is a ripoff of Inhumans". At that point its the fault of the reader for making a bad assumption. Thats why I understood what the OP meant by the title. Because I knew the OP was talking about neither one specifically, It means two things:
a) OP is just talking about how similar these shows are in general.
b) OP finds one of these shows to be a ripoff, but we don't know which one.

So yes the assumption that the OP is talking about ripoff can be on the OP, but the assumption about which is the ripoff is on the reader.


I find my assumption to be reasonable on a number of things.

-This is an anime forum, and anime are given a great deal more praise, especially considering Fairy Tail is a well known anime in general. We tend to act irrationally or unaccepting of criticisms for things we like, and this being an anime forum, it is not that difficult to assume people here like Anime, or some anime specifically.

-Fairy Tail is not only well known, but has been produced, and I would expect an anime forumer to know. The OP points to the trailer of Inhumans, seeing as it has not even been produced, which also puts the apparent purpose of compiling similarities to be even more suspicious, or some other word.

-Again, "usage" of too means excessive. When applied to similarity, the usual definition is of plagiarism, ripoffs, or lack of originality.

-The idea of intent is based on more than the wording, but the perceived use of whatever possible discussion. Example, some politically biased posters will post an article on so and so political figure, but for most, it is easy to see where that, even if it is not worded directly, that they have a political motivation to do so, often to make their "side" appear more rational, hence the suspicious lack of unsavory articles about their affiliated party.

In my view, there is no discussion to be had on just the similarities of two shows, and I imagine most people would think that the OP would want to say something more than merely compiling coincidences. After all, works fiction shares many tropes with other works of fiction, so what exactly is the point?


At that point its the fault of the reader for making a bad assumption.


I am not a psychic. There is some responsibility for the reader, but the thing is, I do not find this a "bad" assumption, but instead a reasonable one, no more than wearing a MAGA hat, and people assuming the wearer is a Trump Supporter. Even if it is not the wearer's intent, and could have other reasons, it is a completely reasonable assumption to assume that Trump Supporters wear Trump hats, especially with the controversial nature of the president.

In essence, I am responsible for accepting the OP's later clarifications, as we all are. That does not make my original belief any less irrational, give what is presented.

I hope I do not appear mad, though I am miffed by the OP's conduct in clarification. They never took my advice to report their own thread concerning closure of title editing, since only a Mod is capable of such a thing, nor did they address my claims other then "Have you read my later posts?", when they could just edit the original.

It seems the OP is a bit new to the forums, so I should give them some slack I suppose.


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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/14/17
meh,I kinda realized we were on different wavelengths in terms of how we interpret things which is why I changed my post before your reply. Its like how people have different interpretations on those optical illusions (or in this case on what the OP was saying and how we interpret certain words), since we look at it with totally different lenses. Where exactly in the sand does the line exist for what is defined as a good assumption or a bad assumption?
I interpreted the OP as (to use your example) wearing a red trucker hat but (the reader) not being to see the front of it. The problem is that people alot of people will assume its a MAGA hat given recent events (and in turn a Trump supporter) but of course it could just be a red trucker hat. I just feel that people shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly while making there assumptions since there might be a right answer. Which is why I made my comment about facepalming at comments.
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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/14/17

CKD-Anime wrote:

meh,I kinda realized we were on different wavelengths in terms of how we interpret things which is why I changed my post before your reply. Its like how people have different interpretations on those optical illusions (or in this case on what the OP was saying and how we interpret certain words), since we look at it with totally different lenses. Where exactly in the sand does the line exist for what is defined as a good assumption or a bad assumption?
I interpreted the OP as (to use your example) wearing a red trucker hat but (the reader) not being to see the front of it. The problem is that people alot of people will assume its a MAGA hat given recent events (and in turn a Trump supporter) but of course it could just be a red trucker hat. I just feel that people shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly while making there assumptions since there might be a right answer. Which is why I made my comment about facepalming at comments.


I understand, a great deal of the factors are generally applied by connotation of the environment, and may not be applicable to the poster themselves, which makes the idea of the assumption harder to note, rather than wearing an army uniform, among other things. I ascribe to the method of context, rather than literal interpretation I suppose.
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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/14/17
^Well I've been told I'm too literal at times

I was just surprised that Stan Lee's creation was such a major influence in the creation of Fairy Tail. It seemed like a good forum topic.
@OP, I honestly doubt Stan Lee had any direct influence on Fairy Tail. Since alot of abilities can be traced back to Japanese folklore (and others as well). Take Flare for example, whats to say she isn't based on the futakuchi onna or the harionago?
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Rhonda, in the future you may want to put in your original post more information that you want discussed, because from what you provide in the first post it sounds like you're saying Inhumans takes a lot from Fairy Tail. That may not be your intention, but that's what comes across. So even though after reading your posts you clearly don't think one is a rip off of the other, it's incredibly reasonable for people who read the title and first post to infer that's what you're getting across.

"Way too similar" implies you think one is taking from the other. "In the preview there is one character that seems almost identical to Fairy Tails 'Flare Corona'" heavily implies you think Inhumans takes from Fairy Tail. You may find it frustrating that people weren't understanding your intention, but I don't think the blame lies with them in this instance.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/14/17

CKD-Anime wrote:


FLjerry2011 wrote:
So wrong with sense of history / check before you post
Said the person who can't even read the OP post.

I'm facepalming and this isn't even my thread. The OP never said it was a rip off, all the OP said was that these two characters were similar. Granted there isn't much to discuss besides just drawing lines between similar characters from one show to the other. But I digress.



The end of the original post said what do you think ?

So I gave my thoughts plain and simple !

THE OP post was very vague IMO and suggested Plagiarism !

I try to use facts as much as possible and was actually trying to have an answer / how to post

Believe me I go back and say what was I thinking if being corrected not lashing out as apparently a newbie to the forums thought

I have no ill feelings toward anyone who posted just presenting facts / tyhe poster asked for comments and that opens up everything .

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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17
I am new to these kind of forums. I usually participate in the writers digest forum and a few others. I'm not used to others picking apart my wording. In the future I will be more careful and gather more facts before posting. All of you were nice in telling me how I was screwing up, except Peripheral Vision; don't be such a blow-hard butthole to new people, and I studied English Lit. so umm,...less is more. (you are too wordy)
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