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Posted 9/13/17 , edited 9/13/17
Personally I think law enforcement should be held to the law, the guy violated it because he didn't agree with it. Sheriffs are hired or elected to enforce the law our elected law makers make. Judges are hired or appointed to interpret if someone failed to follow them.

Arpaio knew what he was doing and what the consequences where, he was found in violation because he violated the order, all pretty cut and dry. This makes him a Criminal, to anyone who wants to call him a hero I'd disagree, but nothing says criminals cant be heroes to some.

As far as the pardon being legal, it is. The President has very few rules around whom he cant pardon of federal crimes. I don't like that he pardoned a person who willfully violated a federal judges order and was sworn to follow the law but I'm not the President.
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio is an american disgrace

FTFY
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Trump's pardon only means Arpaio is absolved of crimes against the State. it doesn't mean people can't sue him for wha he did - something Supervisor Steve Gallardo wants the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to do:



"He may not be the Sheriff anymore, but we're still paying for his mistakes," said Maricopa County Supervisor Steve Gallardo.
Gallardo wants the Board of Supervisors to consider going after Arpaio in civil court, to try and get back some of the money he's cost taxpayers as a direct result of his refusal to stop his immigration sweeps and defiance of a judge's order.

"The taxpayers continue to have to pay for Sheriff Joe Arpaio's illegal actions," said Gallardo. "He violated not only the court order, he violated the constitutional rights of many in this county, and should he held responsible."

http://www.azfamily.com/story/36236756/maricopa-county-supervisor-suggests-civil-lawsuit-against-arpaio
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uncletim wrote:


erstwhile1920 wrote:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is an american disgrace

FTFY


Nothing says "American Hero" like constitutional violations amirite?
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...I take that back, limiting government power is only a Republican issue when a Democrat is in power .


Well, the government has very limited power if it can't prosecute people due to pardons, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.


I'm saying it's contextual. Pardons can both limit the power in an area or strengthen it. In this particular scenario I'm inclined to believe it used solely to inhibit institutions that were doing their job in stopping abuse of power.
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And Obama kept busy paying for Americans freedom https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/17/obama-grants-clemency-7-iranians-prisoner-swap/78923966/


Indeed, Sen. Marco Rubio, did just that on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday V

"The people America's releasing, they were convicted in a court of law, after due process, of helping violate sanctions. The president has pardoned them in exchange for a release of hostages which had done nothing wrong, and it proves once again that now nations and enemies of America around the world know there's a price for Americans," said Rubio, a GOP presidential candidate. "If you take an American hostage, Barack Obama will cut a deal with you."

> How soon we have all forgotten the swap.
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erstwhile1920 wrote:

No fuck that shit, he was only doing his job. He treated those beaners with respect


Nothing like some casual racism to complete an argument.
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> How soon we have all forgotten the swap.


You're going to need to explain how this is relevant. Sure, whether it was a wise move on Obama's part is certainly debatable, the circumstances involved are very different from that of this one.


mxdan wrote:Nothing like some casual racism to complete an argument.

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I dont know what you are talking about


Let me guess, Erstwhile edited their post after Mxdan responded?
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