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I've frequently read post by people claiming that allowing men to show their chests while forbidding women to do so is an unfair inequality. However, most people would agree that touching a man's pecs is not sexual assault, but doing that a girl is. As an example, in the California penal code, when referring to sexual battery, it says:

 “Intimate part” means the sexual organ, anus, groin, or buttocks of any person, and the breast of a female.

http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-243-4.html


My question this: Why is one an unfair inequality and the other not?

Edit: I clarified part of op.
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Rubbing a man pecs would qualify as a sexual offense to me. Rub my pecs without just cause, and I will punch you, and many men would likely act the same. This assumption does not seem reasonable, since in my view, most people would consider it sexual harassment or nonconsensual touching.

Seriously, do this in real life. See what I mean?
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jtjumper wrote:
However, most people would agree that rubbing a man's pecs is not a sex offense, but doing that a girl is. My question this: Why is one an unfair inequality and the other not?


Go get a gay man to rub those pecs and tell me it's not a sex offence.
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I dont let people rub my chest.
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I don't care if women go topless, they have every right to do so. Let them be free. I'm not some creep who will pitch a tent in public, honestly, or some parent telling their children to cover their eyes. Grow up, women don't have that much control. It's just that men can be stupid in many ways.

Don't rub a woman's chest thinking it's the same as rubbing a man's chest. Why? Well why don't you ask a woman with tits. Yes they rub them for fun, or when they're bored, yes that's exactly why, and if you are one of those girls who does, you have way too much time on your hands for that to be considered passing the time

Nothing to do with sexual pleasure, absolutely not. No sensitivity at all.



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The FKK in Germany is still somewhat strong.

Myself, I don't mind nudism in any way at all. Just don't go touching what you don't have permission to touch. As PV-oniichan said, touch my nipples without permission and you will get a punch to the chest. I would say the same would go for girls.
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Is rubbing a guy's pecs prosecuted much at all? Do people get put in sex offender registries for doing it?
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Is rubbing a guy's pecs prosecuted much at all? Do people get put in sex offender registries for doing it?


I am not sure, perhaps due to the commonality of public fondling being thankfully rare for both sexes. If it is a rhetorical question, then people have been put on the registry for sexual harassing males, though I cannot agree with you attempting to put the burden of evidence on me, since you are the one making an assumption, and running with it as the thread's basis.

While I would say there is likely a sort of pervasive belief that males cannot be sexually harassed, and an erection is consensual, which it is not necessarily a sign of consent, I doubt the victim would feel this apathetic as well, and it does not necessarily have to come from an extreme feminist perspective, sadly (Which I assume is what you are criticizing).

I find it ridiculous, otherwise, when I think nearly anyone who is felt up by a stranger in public is likely to get physically violent in some way, regardless of the sex of either the perpetrator or the victim.

I may like being touched by females in a lewd way, but I am not desperate to go for someone who is most likely a psycho.
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No it's not rhetorical. Now, in Michigan, the definition for sexual assault lists touching breasts, but doesn't mention chests without breasts. As for cricizing feminism, no, I actually just want to explore all the possibilities of this argument and see how well it stands up.
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I suppose the question for the day is whether or not men's chests are considered "breasts" in the eyes of the law. Scientifically, both men and women have breasts, but the law isn't exactly "scientific."
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I'm imagining asking a sexual assault lawyer what the legal definition of "breast" is.
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It's one of many double standards. Like if I slept with 7 guys I'd be a slut, but if a guy did that he is a hero.
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It's one of many double standards. Like if I slept with 7 guys I'd be a slut, but if a guy did that he is a hero.


I don't generally agree with double standards. Men and Women share many various double standards that are brought upon themselves by themselves and like minded individuals. Each region and country share various views upon multiple topics that restrict themselves. It's very different in every region of the globe and yet the same. Basically each sex has their double standards and as the human race is prone to over worrying about topics that make them different and the same true progress is never achieved.

I firmly believe this is one of those many topics that will be argued to the ground and never achieve any significant outcome due to the fact that everyone views and thinks differently, thus someone will always be unhappy. That's why its important to surround yourself with like minded individuals and not fret the small details. Additionally one can not presume to know what would come around by changing various outlooks on life, for good or for worse. Everything has positive and negative to it and I wish the entire worlds luck to those who want to change every negative into a positive for themselves because without either we would be doomed.

I don't see a problem with girls going topless, but make sure you are prepared and understand the consequences and reactions from everyone that would derive from reaching said goal presented with this topic. After all humans will lust, both men and women and if its legal to show it all, then its legal to stare and look... of course one could complain and sue for harassment but that would just toss you in the same double standard boat as everyone else.... neither being right or wrong, but humans are unfair and prone to creating strife among the smallest details. With all the various sexual orientations now a days it would be most difficult to please everyone so thus laws are hard to achieve that will make everyone happy in this field. If people were more understanding then that would not be the case. As many "serious" and non "serious" cases this would cause with pervs and or people in general from both women and men since both share the blame and guilt of lust equally I view the fact our race is not ready to just let it all hang lose lolol. We have too many and act too highly on our emotions that are most definitely double standard.
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It's why I just accept people and never judge.... makes life easy. Not to mention I frankly feel their are better topics to worry over than something as silly as this one. I know not everyone will feel this is silly but I'd much sooner have a care about helping people live and be happy than if i have to wear my top or not lol.
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Posted 9/12/17 , edited 9/13/17

Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

I suppose the question for the day is whether or not men's chests are considered "breasts" in the eyes of the law. Scientifically, both men and women have breasts, but the law isn't exactly "scientific."


My reply as well. I do not know the laws of Michigan. Some laws work on vague definitions in order to be expanded more proficiently. i could say what the law should be, but not what is. Insanity is loosely defined as well.
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