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Most people don't care about same sex marriage, one way or another, as it shouldn't affect them (shouldn't being the key term). The issue with same sex marriage is that if is recognized by the state, then the state could potentially compel people to be involved with it, such as requiring that a priest officiate it, or that a baker make a cake for the wedding, or a photographer take wedding photos, even though being involved would be against their conscience.
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Here's a simple comedic explanation of why Australian hard conservatives have such a big voice in Parliament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfslDuyBlIk

tldw: ever since the Liberals and Nationals formed a coalition, there have been two major strains within the coalition - the 'liberals' and the 'conservatives'. Turnbull may not really be a fan of many of his policies, but he has to make them to please the conservatives that form so much of the higher ranks of his party.

I wouldn't ever vote for the Coalition because it really never presents a clear view or political direction, and leads to debacles such as this marriage equality plebiscite. That said, I'm not a huge fan of labor either.
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If, for example, you live in New York, how does Mark and Steven getting hitched in California affect your marriage? Here's a hint: It doesn't. Neither does Paula's and Mary's down the street.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/14/17

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If, for example, you live in New York, how does Mark and Steven getting hitched in California affect your marriage? Here's a hint: It doesn't. Neither does Paula's and Mary's down the street.


Exactly
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plime wrote:

Here's a simple comedic explanation of why Australian hard conservatives have such a big voice in Parliament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfslDuyBlIk

tldw: ever since the Liberals and Nationals formed a coalition, there have been two major strains within the coalition - the 'liberals' and the 'conservatives'. Turnbull may not really be a fan of many of his policies, but he has to make them to please the conservatives that form so much of the higher ranks of his party.

I wouldn't ever vote for the Coalition because it really never presents a clear view or political direction, and leads to debacles such as this marriage equality plebiscite. That said, I'm not a huge fan of labor either.


Thanks for the link and I'm in the same boat I vote labour because best out of a bunch of fools kinda thing
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Hey, everyone, someone somewhere said something I don't agree with.
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People have the right to have their voices heard.

Even if the message is one you disagree with.

One of the many joys of mob rule we call "democracy".


idk. when neo-nazis are involved, those voices suddenly aren't so wanted <3
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Hey, everyone, someone somewhere said something I don't agree with.


i mean when your something is wanting the rights of others restricted it is an issue imo.
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Yeah its funny because here in Australia "liberals" are actually more of a right wing party so it's not like American "liberals" so it can get confusing.
But like America, the left wing pro gay marriage sorts are using their usual bully style tactics , protests and violence and threats, etc to anyone who may want to vote no. There for making people who probably dont actually give a fuck want to vote no...
Myself included.

Same shit, labelling people, using words such as "bigotry" using celebrities to jump on the yes train and tell people what to do and how to think, politicians crying crocodile tears, politicians using children to push for gay marriage/equality, etc.
I find it sickening and wrong that children are being dragged into all of this gay, transgender, gender-less crap. I mean let kids be kids... stop confusing them.

Iam looking forward to this all being over with whether the end result is a yes or a no. So much tax payers money is being wasted on this. 122 million dollars for a postal vote that is non compulsory and the results really means nothing anyway as its more of a survey rather than a vote that actually holds any weight.

It's just another thing that is causing lots of divide. Whether it be left wing right wing, anti gay pro gay, religious people vs non religious, etc.
And it's another example of the media and politicians pandering to a minority.

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Yeah its funny because here in Australia "liberals" are actually more of a right wing party so it's not like American "liberals" so it can get confusing.
But like America, the left wing pro gay marriage sorts are using their usual bully style tactics , protests and violence and threats, etc to anyone who may want to vote no. There for making people who probably dont actually give a fuck want to vote no...
Myself included.

Same shit, labelling people, using words such as "bigotry" using celebrities to jump on the yes train and tell people what to do and how to think, politicians crying crocodile tears, politicians using children to push for gay marriage/equality, etc.
I find it sickening and wrong that children are being dragged into all of this gay, transgender, gender-less crap. I mean let kids be kids... stop confusing them.

Iam looking forward to this all being over with whether the end result is a yes or a no. So much tax payers money is being wasted on this. 122 million dollars for a postal vote that is non compulsory and the results really means nothing anyway as its more of a survey rather than a vote that actually holds any weight.

It's just another thing that is causing lots of divide. Whether it be left wing right wing, anti gay pro gay, religious people vs non religious, etc.
And it's another example of the media and politicians pandering to a minority.



I mean people that are openly being bigots deserve to be called bigoted but the bullying is not ok many of us on reddit Australia have been annoyed about it as it's making the chances lower and making people vote no to despise people bullying which makes both them and the bullies bad people and the fights go on.

Also it will only be over temporary if it goes to a no and never comes in people will keep fighting me included till it does become legal so it just wastes more and more time just because people don't want to change.

I just wish we could all be peaceful not attack others and defame them like i have seen and just accept everyone and let people love but i doubt that will happen ANYTIME soon

The kids part is fucked though.
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lambofgenesis wrote:


TheZaphod wrote:

People have the right to have their voices heard.

Even if the message is one you disagree with.

One of the many joys of mob rule we call "democracy".


idk. when neo-nazis are involved, those voices suddenly aren't so wanted <3


Neo-nazis have the right to say what they want. It's when they start using clubs, guns and/or cars is when the Government needs to step in shut them fuckers down

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ran76 wrote:


lambofgenesis wrote:


TheZaphod wrote:

People have the right to have their voices heard.

Even if the message is one you disagree with.

One of the many joys of mob rule we call "democracy".


idk. when neo-nazis are involved, those voices suddenly aren't so wanted <3


Neo-nazis have the right to say what they want. It's when they start using clubs, guns and/or cars is when the Government needs to step in shut them fuckers down



LOL u know what was really funny? The dude who was driving the car failed basic Marine boot camp, now he thinks he's 3lit3 in his Neo-Nazi army
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Everyone who follows politics in Australia sucks. It's like 2 year olds arguing against eachother.
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if that's true, I'm honestly not surprised.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17

saksiss wrote:

Everyone who follows politics in Australia sucks. It's like 2 year olds arguing against eachother.


That's more or less how our political leaders act.
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