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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
Do you think that chanting USA at events held within the USA is inappropriate and offensive? Especially at sport events and other events similar to prep rallies?

I've noticed too many schools have been trying to stop people from flying American flags and chanting USA lately: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/14/school-fears-usa-chant-could-be-intolerant-and-offensive.html
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Posted 9/15/17 , edited 9/16/17
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/25/17
It shouldn't be an issue at a school sporting event. I think if you're watching an American football game and people in the crowd start chanting USA, the intended message is pretty clear; it is meant to convey a sense of solidarity. Promoting a sense of teamwork and unity is a part of athletics in general. I don't think there is a need to look for any deeper meaning.

If someone gets offended by people chanting USA at a sporting event taking place in the United States, then they might already have a negative view of the United States to begin with and should probably ask themselves why they get so salty about people being patriotic.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/17/17
The only places I could see it not being offensive are Olympic-style events (not at the competition but in appreciation of your "home team") or at a Pro Wrestling Match (involving "International" Bad-guys) otherwise it seems very much in bad taste.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/25/17
If you're doing it for an immediate and appropriate reason, like a sporting event or some other sort of competition versus other countries, I'd have a hard time believing there's anything wrong with it. Supporting your team of choice (and thereby inviting their rivals' fans to counter with the same) is a huge part of the competitive atmosphere.

There are plenty of contexts where it's not appropriate, though, like such an event where everyone's from your country anyway. It has no relevance in that situation: there'd be no reason to do it. Context is everything, especially when it comes to something like this, which could easily come across as boorish in the wrong one. I think petitioning to take down national flags is ridiculous, but I think it's reasonable for people to be embarrassed by chanting like that when it's not called for.

Imagine you're minding your own business in a bar and someone comes up to you and starts chanting the name of their favorite sports team. You've got nothing against their sports team, but you've probably now got something against that guy, and if you're not in a rational or forgiving sort of mood, you could even end up associating that behaviour with the team itself. It's the same thing with patriotism. If you're explicitly associating something with your country, it pays to be aware of how that might affect the way your country is perceived. There are far more respectable ways to be patriotic - don't be that guy.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

lorreen wrote:

Some damage was done to the thread due to someone spamming a vast number of posts here (which have now been removed). So the thread is a little wonky right now in a few ways.

However, I'm reopening the thread and we'll see how it goes. It looks like new posts may appear out of order, and that older posts may be in in "hidden" pages for a while. Please keep this in mind when posting. If things get too confusing I may need to close it.


Wait was it that one person who I seen added like 10 pages to a few other topics?

Also quoting to try and see if I can get to page 2.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
Sure ... like in the opinion piece you linked where students were thought to be using the chant in a "derogatory manner towards players of other ethnicities" ... that would be a good example of when it would be considered "inappropriate" or "offensive." Here's an example of what they were discussing:

players are being announced before the game, a kid with a (insert non-"American") sounding name is announced and as he walks on the opposing crowd starts chanting USA. The message of that chant even if unintended (though probably not) is derogatory, and as such inappropriate and offensive.

This is high-school sports you are talking about, not national/internationl level competition. In this case the only other teams you are playing are other US high-schools. What would the purpose of the chant of USA serve outside of the excitement following the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem be? Its not like you are showing support towards your team, since both teams are from the US.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

Rujikin wrote:What anime is your dude from?


(I assume you're being ironic in asking him to explain it to us?...He's never done that before, you know, I've always wondered. )
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17
Lol no


But if they're like yelling it, it might get annoying tho

As for flags, they can put them up if they want to
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

GrandMasterTime wrote:


qwueri wrote:

The "USA" chant is used outside international sporting events?


Remember that time when Osama Bin Laden was confirmed dead?


You see, for those outside the US who don't know, the appeal is that the 1-2-3 rhythm of "U-S-A!" is nearly identical to the March Madness "In-yo'-face! In-yo'-face!"
And used for nearly identical purposes, especially towards other foreign countries that try to do things on their own.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17
No.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

Ejanss wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:


qwueri wrote:

The "USA" chant is used outside international sporting events?


Remember that time when Osama Bin Laden was confirmed dead?


You see, for those outside the US who don't know, the appeal is that the 1-2-3 rhythm of "U-S-A!" is nearly identical to the March Madness "In-yo'-face! In-yo'-face!"
And used for nearly identical purposes, especially towards other foreign countries that try to do things on their own.


U-S-A has been used for far longer. If anything the in your face is based off of USA if its based on anything at all. Or it might be based on another term we have all forgotten and is lost to time. You can be so paranoid at times....
Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
Lol no I never heard of this..wait its fox news
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

Rujikin wrote:


lorreen wrote:

Some damage was done to the thread due to someone spamming a vast number of posts here (which have now been removed). So the thread is a little wonky right now in a few ways.

However, I'm reopening the thread and we'll see how it goes. It looks like new posts may appear out of order, and that older posts may be in in "hidden" pages for a while. Please keep this in mind when posting. If things get too confusing I may need to close it.


Wait was it that one person who I seen added like 10 pages to a few other topics?

Also quoting to try and see if I can get to page 2.


Yeah. They hit a few threads and made thousands of posts.

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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
Find me a thing and I'll find someone in the USA that finds it offensive.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17

Rujikin wrote:

Also quoting to try and see if I can get to page 2.


One of the wonky things about this thread is that it seems to be making extra posts on page 1. But I 'm hoping it will eventually kick over to page 2.

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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
The "USA" chant is used outside international sporting events?
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17
I don't necessarily find it offensive.
Obnoxious? Arrogant? Sure.
But, the stereotypes of Americans are generally both obnoxious and arrogant; which is what the chant itself is aimed to be (mocking the stereotype while still showing patriotism).
I do think it's a bit silly to use it in a context to put into question the opposing team's nationality (unless it's like the Olympics, which is clear/obvious).

I don't really care what other people do.
We all have our vices.
We all have our absurdities.
We all have our extremities.
Chanting is pretty low-tier on the tier of "horrible things to do to someone".
It's equivalent to a bunch of kids chanting "fight" or any other phrase on the playground.
But most of the people who participate in such behavior knows this and they don't care.
Which is fine.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17
No, but it's kinda a jock mentality.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/21/17

lorreen wrote:
One of the wonky things about this thread is that it seems to be making extra posts on page 1. But I 'm hoping it will eventually kick over to page 2.


C'mon CR. You can do it!

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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17
Im surprised nobody has dropped a "lulz its California the special state".

Damn californian special snowflake school staff.

I dont even think these kids meant anything harmful with intent. These are fucking high school kids they are naive and stupid as fuck when around their peers. This is just kids being kids.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17
I heard such chanting ages ago and I don't find it offensive.
Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17
Anything can be 'offensive' but I don't find it inappropriate. Australians chant "Aussie, aussie, aussie, oi, oi, oi" all the time alongside other things.
Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17

qwueri wrote:

The "USA" chant is used outside international sporting events?


Remember that time when Osama Bin Laden was confirmed dead?
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17
same reason you would do the wave or show your teams colors and flags. Its showing your support, and love for your team, party, group.
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/15/17

GrandMasterTime wrote:

Remember that time when Osama Bin Laden was confirmed dead?


I'm asking more about sporting events between different teams in the USA as opposed to other international events that might prompt the chant.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/16/17
Not being American, I always thought of it as a chant for supporting your country, I don't see how it could be offensive for people to be supporting their own country
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Posted 9/14/17 , edited 9/17/17

qwueri wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Remember that time when Osama Bin Laden was confirmed dead?


I'm asking more about sporting events between different teams in the USA as opposed to other international events that might prompt the chant.


I'll do it for no reason to see how many people join in. Or because I am feeling overtly patriotic.
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Posted 9/16/17 , edited 9/21/17

vanpb wrote:

Not being American, I always thought of it as a chant for supporting your country, I don't see how it could be offensive for people to be supporting their own country


You are correct. Idk what country you are from but if I was from there I would probably be chanting that countries name. The left somehow equates patriotism to racism and xenophobia (meanwhile they cry Russia all day). Also something about it being offensive to illegal immigrants that are in the USA.

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