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Here is an interesting article about political correctness taking many forms:

https://studybreaks.com/2017/03/22/trump-3/


Hey, that's a cool link. It's something I say too. Those who criticize political correctness are often virtue signaling political correctness of a different kind: the question is correct for whom.


No. We are trying to bring back free speech so we can live in a society where we enjoy life and find humor in it instead of hating life and trying to find offense in everything. You cannot solve problems when political correctness doesn't allow you to talk about the problems were facing.

It even prevents people from making jokes or doing certain comedy. Its thought control.



My point is that what you are describing is another form of political thought that you try to live by. Ergo, supporting it is literally another form of political correctness.
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mittemeyer wrote:
Hey, that's a cool link. It's something I say too. Those who criticize political correctness are often virtue signaling political correctness of a different kind: the question is correct for whom.


No. We are trying to bring back free speech so we can live in a society where we enjoy life and find humor in it instead of hating life and trying to find offense in everything. You cannot solve problems when political correctness doesn't allow you to talk about the problems were facing.

It even prevents people from making jokes or doing certain comedy. Its thought control.


I understand the point that Mittermeier is making.
By trying to demonize or renounce all opinions from one side of the political spectrum you are bound to create your own "brand" of political correctness.
The right is just as guilty of doing this as the left are in terms of generalization.
It's opinion v. opinion.
This is why I audit opinion pieces on both sides and try to rationalize a slightly more objective view of the temperature of both sides.


The right claims that the left has lost all rationality.
The left claims that the right are all fascists, nazis, or white supremacists


The above are extremes on both sides and both are morbidly incorrect.
Both are indirectly or directly attempting to silence the other because they're "wrong".
"The left has gone too far this time [link to an article showing an outlier]!"
"The right is a bunch of Nazi scumbags! [link to an article showing photos from Charlottesville]!"
It's a never-ending cycle and both have their own brand of political correctness.
That's all Mittermeier is trying to say.
You're not "preventing or attempting to avoid political correctness in our society".
You are simply "establishing a different brand of political correctness that fits your opinion" just like the left seems to have done.

On the flip side, this happens every 4-8 years when the power of government flips between the two major parties in the United States of America.
It's more so that we've reached a point where the current "young adult" generation is divided.
The media abets this perception by having focused opinion pieces to encourage a "politically correct" mind for the party they're biased for/against.
It's more apparent this time.
It isn't anything new, however.
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I am increasingly becoming convinced that political correctness will spell the death of our once great nation.
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Why does every Rujikin thread eliminate context or meaning? If you actually spent time in a Liberal comedy show (I doubt you even care for comedy enough to) you'd see a crowd that uses all topics as fair game. The few that get offended don't represent the left. I just watched a video yesterday were a conservative cop makes a scene at a comedy club and tries to get in a fight because the comedian said a joke about bad cops. And yet you don't see the vocal right talking about that bias do you?

I'd say the vocal hypocrites who make everything out to be some partisan conspiracy are doing far more harm to comedy then a couple drunk people who take offense to a joke.
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mxdan wrote:

Why does every Rujikin thread eliminate context or meaning? If you actually spent time in a Liberal comedy show (I doubt you even care for comedy enough to) you'd see a crowd that uses all topics as fair game. The few that get offended don't represent the left. I just watched a video yesterday were a conservative cop makes a scene at a comedy club and tries to get in a fight because the comedian said a joke about bad cops. And yet you don't see the vocal right talking about that bias do you?

I'd say the vocal hypocrites who make everything out to be some partisan conspiracy are doing far more harm to comedy then a couple drunk people who take offense to a joke.


When something is oversimplified and made into easy-to-swallow rhetoric, it makes it easier for people to push their personal political agendas. It has little to do with being rationally appealing, and thus does everything become emotionally exaggerated and buzzword heavy.

Unfortunately the majority have little clue to their own predisposed reasoning, but that's reality. It's also why they're so simple to manipulate. It is easy to make a fool of those who only need to hear what they wish to be told.

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Why does every Rujikin thread eliminate context or meaning?


You might want to look at his avatar for "Why".
People who fear News think they can make up their own, all by themselves.

The last time we heard doom-and-gloom from Mel, it was about What Had Happened to American Satire, after we were being drowned in the angry, high-school-immature "Movie trolling" of Seltzer & Friedberg's unstoppable "Epic Movie" parodies (remember those?)--
That seemed to be more interested in venting their angry Millennial spleen at overexposed hit-movie trailers and ugly celebrities, than paying tribute to favorite scene-specific old-movie cliche's, as Blazing Saddles and High Anxiety did....Look, here's a Twilight parody, with an Amy Winehouse and boy-band gag in it!
Prompting Mel to open his Young Frankenstein disk commentary with "I've been called the Father of Movie Parody, and...I'd like to apologize."

The reason for that is that we were so Angry and Frustrated during the GWBush 00's, we forgot how to let off steam by being Funny.
Funny is the outspoken expression of public absurdity, Anger and Frustration is the need to find someone to blame for things that bother you, and punch them in the teeth.
Or, if you can't actually find said person, just retreat into your own troubled corner to say "I don' care" and sulk self-centeredly, wait for some innocent person to come along and bother you, and feel better about punching THEM in the teeth. (Which gave rise to the whole "Prank culture" on cable TV and Internet, where a frustrated generation showed off how hip they were to Shock and Annoy The Outside World, for the crime of being Average.)

Ask half the Millennial folks here What is Funny, and see how many answers you get besides "Uhh......Hitler?" Mel had a similar idea, but a better one.
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mxdan wrote:

Why does every Rujikin thread eliminate context or meaning? If you actually spent time in a Liberal comedy show (I doubt you even care for comedy enough to) you'd see a crowd that uses all topics as fair game. The few that get offended don't represent the left. I just watched a video yesterday were a conservative cop makes a scene at a comedy club and tries to get in a fight because the comedian said a joke about bad cops. And yet you don't see the vocal right talking about that bias do you?

I'd say the vocal hypocrites who make everything out to be some partisan conspiracy are doing far more harm to comedy then a couple drunk people who take offense to a joke.


When something is oversimplified and made into easy-to-swallow rhetoric, it makes it easier for people to push their personal political agendas. It has little to do with being rationally appealing, and thus does everything become emotionally exaggerated and buzzword heavy.

Unfortunately the majority have little clue to their own predisposed reasoning, but that's reality. It's also why they're so simple to manipulate. It is easy to make a fool of those who only need to hear what they wish to be told.



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Possibly, but he does have a point. Isn't it one of the reasons a lot of people (at least on the right) are hating on CNN these days? If the likes of Rujikin and Amayas keep making threads like this, then we'll just keep talking down to them.
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It's already been covered pretty well, but yeah: political correctness cuts from both sides of the spectrum. All the racing to see who can claim patriotism faster, grabbing the moral high ground, and decrying the other side as a bunch of (insert pejorative here) winds up being a practice of political correctness. That conservatives tend to decry political correctness as a left-leaning thing is funny, but pretty damned blind to them embodying the thing they're fighting against. It's all one big fight for who can claim what is the new normal.

Claiming that left-leaning "snowflakes" are killing comedy is itself patently absurd, considering the bulk of major comedians take a decidedly left-leaning slant on their comedy. If anything, I'd argue that too many comedians taking the easy route of news commentary is crimping the depth of the comedic field. Way too easy (or at least common) to pick an article from the news and build a narrative around something that's inherently a near joke on it's own. There just isn't much variety in comedy right now.
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qwueri wrote:Claiming that left-leaning "snowflakes" are killing comedy is itself patently absurd, considering the bulk of major comedians take a decidedly left-leaning slant on their comedy. If anything, I'd argue that too many comedians taking the easy route of news commentary is crimping the depth of the comedic field. Way too easy (or at least common) to pick an article from the news and build a narrative around something that's inherently a near joke on it's own. There just isn't much variety in comedy right now.


Well, that's another thing that came out of our angry 00's Bush distraction: "SNL isn't funny anymore unless there's an election."

Our national sense of humor has become so atrophied that unless humor is doing something--namely about the news and headlines--to make our anger go away, we can't really envision innocently pointing out the humor or absurdity in anything else.
What humor has SNL been doing between presidential campaigns, "Loud Cellphone Girl"? "This One Guy Who Always Bothers Me On the Subway"? Other self-indulgent expressions of things in society that intrude on our own narcissistic lonership?

We all retreated into angry, self-centered corners during the 00's, and if humor doesn't have the Safety of Our Country to stand up for, most comedy today seems to be about the right to be an irresponsible manchild and keep from developing any maturity after high school like everyone said we were supposed to, and the ability to prank back at all those celebrities we're supposed to care about and people who have jobs and futures when we don't.
There's not much future in being a professional idiot, since it doesn't teach us very much.
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The subjective nature of comedy, ladies and gentlemen.
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since when has somebody getting offended led to real social change? it's just a reason for people to feel they are taking action even though it is meaningless.

humor as a rule is pretty much immune to good taste.
i think it's a good idea to have respect for people in general and be funny only when it causes more joy than pain. but, watch anything Jeselnik does. Sometimes saying some terrible shit can be really hilarious - as long as it's not for real.
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mxdan wrote:

Why does every Rujikin thread eliminate context or meaning? If you actually spent time in a Liberal comedy show (I doubt you even care for comedy enough to) you'd see a crowd that uses all topics as fair game. The few that get offended don't represent the left. I just watched a video yesterday were a conservative cop makes a scene at a comedy club and tries to get in a fight because the comedian said a joke about bad cops. And yet you don't see the vocal right talking about that bias do you?

I'd say the vocal hypocrites who make everything out to be some partisan conspiracy are doing far more harm to comedy then a couple drunk people who take offense to a joke.


Why does every post of yours accuse me of eliminating context or meaning? Are you copy and pasting the same responses over and over?

Besides the context here is Mel Brooks saying PC is killing comedy are you dense.


qwueri wrote:

It's already been covered pretty well, but yeah: political correctness cuts from both sides of the spectrum. All the racing to see who can claim patriotism faster, grabbing the moral high ground, and decrying the other side as a bunch of (insert pejorative here) winds up being a practice of political correctness. That conservatives tend to decry political correctness as a left-leaning thing is funny, but pretty damned blind to them embodying the thing they're fighting against. It's all one big fight for who can claim what is the new normal.

Claiming that left-leaning "snowflakes" are killing comedy is itself patently absurd, considering the bulk of major comedians take a decidedly left-leaning slant on their comedy. If anything, I'd argue that too many comedians taking the easy route of news commentary is crimping the depth of the comedic field. Way too easy (or at least common) to pick an article from the news and build a narrative around something that's inherently a near joke on it's own. There just isn't much variety in comedy right now.


All I've said is that PC is killing comedy and avoided pushing one side or another as well as I can. You guys are all acknowledging the left as killing comedy and immediately trying to shift the blame or attack my credibility.

Strange how when you say "PC is killing comedy" that even the leftists immediately think were talking about the left. Almost as if its common knowledge.
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Rujikin wrote:

All I've said is that PC is killing comedy and avoided pushing one side or another as well as I can. You guys are all acknowledging the left as killing comedy and immediately trying to shift the blame or attack my credibility.

Strange how when you say "PC is killing comedy" that even the leftists immediately think were talking about the left. Almost as if its common knowledge.


Because A) the majority of your threads are partisan in nature, at least implicitly. B ) Lately most complaints about political correctness, in particular regarding racism and sexism, seem to be come from the right and aimed at the left, presumably for reasons that have already been discussed. It's not much of a leap in logic.
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