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Oh, dear lord. This is stupid.

I love how people using blatant racistjokes and degrading others with people with the stupid shit they say, are getting upset just because they can't pass it of as just "jokes" anymore(ie MrAnimeSK^).



Cool story bro.
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KatyaDiDGroove wrote:
And LONG LIVE MEL BROOKS!
I don't think he's dead yet, but that's not really what I mean. It's more of a general feeling that he's fading from our collective cultural consciousness(or something like that)

Moses: "I know bring you these 20(smash),10, these 10 commandments"
Nuff Said.


Yeah, we're quoting History Pt. 1 as good Mel Brooks, 'nuff said.

But seriously, go back and look at his "last" film, "Dracula, Dead & Loving It", where--in addition to being reduced to Naked Gun-wannabe Leslie Nielsen shticks, like most bad comedy in the 90's--the jokes were all Hollywood-town specific-movie jokes about one overexposed studio hit in particular (Dracula = Bram Stoker's Dracula), scenes run on twice as long after the joke already hit, and even Brooks' own bits in the movie, which are admittedly the funniest, is one single running gag (Dracula and Van Helsing have immature high-school one-ups) stretched for the entire movie.

It's not so much that he's faded from our consciousness, as humor seems to have mysteriously faded from HIS consciousness. :(


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Mel Brooks' career declined in the 1990's.
It had nothing to do with the "politically correct culture".
It was that he had run his course and his style of comedy was simply no longer appreciated.
"Robin Hood: Men in Tights" was the last successful film with his name on it, even though he wasn't top billing as a director or producer.
The story was written mostly by Chandler and Shapiro, as far as I am aware.
"Blazing Saddles" is shown on AMC every so often (according to TVGuide.com, AMC will air it again on Monday at 5 PM, followed by Tuesday morning at 1 AM).


(Wait...AMC is showing movies again??)


If anything, it was/is more "PC" than most films around that time.


Actually, Blazing Saddles was written by Andrew ("The In-Laws") Bergman, with scripting help from Brooks, Norman ("My Favorite Year") Steinberg, and Richard (what'd he do, again?) Pryor.
And...it was very famously and gleefully NOT considered PC. Look at your average kids-CGI trailer, and try to imagine a time when jokes about cowboys farting after eating beans could not be shown on television.
Neither could most of Madeline Kahn's lyrics on her faux-Marlene Dietrich song.

True story, bro:
I remember back in the 00's Blu-vs-HD Format War, when only a few Blu-ray disks were out and only a small Millennial niche of Playstation-gamer kids owned them, a gamer discussion started, "What's the funniest comedy on Blu-ray?"
After literally about twenty answers of "Uh, Pineapple Express?...Superbad?...Talladega Nights?" I had to intervene and remind them that Warner had already jumped in and put Blazing Saddles on Blu.
Half the kids had never seen it, a good portion of those had never heard of it (let's save the currently trendy "Why Millennials have never seen pre-1975 movies" discussion for another thread), and some immediately rushed to Blockbuster to catch a Blu they hadn't seen.
The reaction for the rest of the discussion was "Hey, they're using the N-word! You can't do that, that's offensive, it isn't funny!"

1974, folks. It whipped the 21st-cty.'s "edgy un-PC comedy" in a fair fight and left it crying.
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Posted 9/23/17 , edited 9/23/17

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Asking a thug his qualifications to join an evil gang
"Rape, murder, arson, and rape."
"Did you say rape twice?"
"I like rape."


So Trump was just making a joke when he talked about all those Mexican rapists? Good to know.


No, he was being racist.

You can be against blatant racism and the politically correct nonsense on the other end of the spectrum.

On a completely different note, comedy is something people will find funny or not and shouldn't be censored. People's feelings being hurt shouldn't govern anything when they aren't being forced to watch/listen.
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I don't know if I agree. It kind of seems like the Comedy genre is bigger than ever, and more politically incorrect than ever. I'm sure it will continue to fluctuate with public values, but I really don't see political correctness as a threat to anything.
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Cellory wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

Asking a thug his qualifications to join an evil gang
"Rape, murder, arson, and rape."
"Did you say rape twice?"
"I like rape."


So Trump was just making a joke when he talked about all those Mexican rapists? Good to know.


No, he was being racist.

You can be against blatant racism and the politically correct nonsense on the other end of the spectrum.


Also considering the thug in question was a typically uneducated white villain-henchman cowboy.

It's also possible to use stereotypes to satirize racism, to wit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB1E0oAAc-w

But that's only possible if you're smart, and not a sad, insane, paranoid 4-yo.
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Posted 9/23/17
Clearly Mel Brooks never heard of Louis CK
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Completely agree. Comedy is supposed to be free and funny, not caring and tolerate. this PC culture has to end.
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I don't know if I agree. It kind of seems like the Comedy genre is bigger than ever, and more politically incorrect than ever. I'm sure it will continue to fluctuate with public values, but I really don't see political correctness as a threat to anything.


I just point to Louis CK talking about child molesters in his SNL monologue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzh7RtIJKZk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m55s

This is not in any way politically correct, but he still did the bit. And he pulled it off, too.

If political correctness stops you from doing comedy, you have learned nothing from Lenny Bruce, which is just unforgivable for any comic.
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I just point to Louis CK talking about child molesters in his SNL monologue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzh7RtIJKZk&feature=youtu.be&t=6m55s

This is not in any way politically correct, but he still did the bit. And he pulled it off, too.

If political correctness stops you from doing comedy, you have learned nothing from Lenny Bruce, which is just unforgivable for any comic.


Unfortunately, it also gives you the side effect of a galactic-sized head, as Bruce also spent the later half of his career smugly haranguing the audience with 1st-Amendment-martyr lectures about his latest obscenity court trials, and most of his former fans believed he'd turned into a crashing bore by then.

Shock isn't funny, Funny is funny.
(Eg., Emo Phillips' "You can always tell the 12-step at a bar, he's the one drinking non-alcholic O'Doul's beer...Why do they have non-alcoholic beer for recovered alcoholics anyway? You wouldn't send a former child molester out on a date with a midget in a Girl's Scout uniform.")
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Today's Society is ruining everything not just comedy... Political correctness is just one of the many things that has just turned into a big bunch of bullshit...

https://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs
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Today's Society is ruining everything not just comedy... Political correctness is just one of the many things that has just turned into a big bunch of bullshit...

https://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs


Spot on
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Unfortunately, it also gives you the side effect of a galactic-sized head, as Bruce also spent the later half of his career smugly haranguing the audience with 1st-Amendment-martyr lectures about his latest obscenity court trials, and most of his former fans believed he'd turned into a crashing bore by then.


And as a comic, you are supposed to learn from that.

Compare George Carlin, who was still worth watching even after his moralising bullshit about government and religion had become just as fucking boring. Because in a 45 minute special, the first thirty minutes was still about other shit, and that other shit was still funny. And then he'd start the slow slide into "fuck the government and fuck the church" which we've all heard too many times.


Shock isn't funny, Funny is funny.


Shock is just one variety of the unexpected, on which all funny is inherently based.

The Emo Phillips joke you referenced, for example, is funny because you don't expect him to compare alcoholics to child molesters. And if you don't think it's shocking to compare alcoholics to child molesters, you're probably not a good judge of shock value.
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Unfortunately, it also gives you the side effect of a galactic-sized head, as Bruce also spent the later half of his career smugly haranguing the audience with 1st-Amendment-martyr lectures about his latest obscenity court trials, and most of his former fans believed he'd turned into a crashing bore by then.


And as a comic, you are supposed to learn from that.

Compare George Carlin, who was still worth watching even after his moralising bullshit about government and religion had become just as fucking boring. Because in a 45 minute special, the first thirty minutes was still about other shit, and that other shit was still funny. And then he'd start the slow slide into "fuck the government and fuck the church" which we've all heard too many times.


Not to mention his Fox sitcom, where he played a cranky cab driver who liked to rant with his passengers, and the show was promoted as "Guess what taboo topic I'll rant about next!"
(sigh...I miss "Baseball vs. Football". )

Even worse is the wounded-pride shock-comic, like Martin Lawrence or Bill Hicks, who gets fired from a few TV gigs or venues, and immediately goes on his "All-American Patriotic 1st Amendment Comedy Tour"...
Oh, man, we've been over this basic goof so many times with Trump and his supporters, it's not even worth picking on anymore.
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Political Correctness is more than that, it's one of the reasons the west is failing.
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Comedy is 1,000 times bigger now than it was in Mel Brooks' heyday.

How in the hell is comedy dying?

Is anybody even stopping to think how insane this sounds?
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