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21stCenturyGemini wrote:

Comedy is 1,000 times bigger now than it was in Mel Brooks' heyday.

How in the hell is comedy dying?


Watch a 60's TV-sitcom episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show, a 70's episode of The Bob Newhart Show, an 80's episode of Cheers, a 90's episode of The Office, and a 00's episode of How I Met Your Mother.
I'd name a 10's network sitcom episode, but...I can't think of any.

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I keep telling myself it will die out sooner or later, but part of me knows that people will always find a way to be triggered.
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Ejanss wrote:

Watch a 60's TV-sitcom episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show, a 70's episode of The Bob Newhart Show, an 80's episode of Cheers, a 90's episode of The Office, and a 00's episode of How I Met Your Mother.
I'd name a 10's network sitcom episode, but...I can't think of any.

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Modern Family or Big Bang Theory? The Office is from the naughts. If you're talking 90's, Seinfeld or Friends are probably the most emblematic sitcoms of that era.
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(Wait...AMC is showing movies again??)


If anything, it was/is more "PC" than most films around that time.


Actually, Blazing Saddles was written by Andrew ("The In-Laws") Bergman, with scripting help from Brooks, Norman ("My Favorite Year") Steinberg, and Richard (what'd he do, again?) Pryor.
And...it was very famously and gleefully NOT considered PC. Look at your average kids-CGI trailer, and try to imagine a time when jokes about cowboys farting after eating beans could not be shown on television.
Neither could most of Madeline Kahn's lyrics on her faux-Marlene Dietrich song.

True story, bro:
I remember back in the 00's Blu-vs-HD Format War, when only a few Blu-ray disks were out and only a small Millennial niche of Playstation-gamer kids owned them, a gamer discussion started, "What's the funniest comedy on Blu-ray?"
After literally about twenty answers of "Uh, Pineapple Express?...Superbad?...Talladega Nights?" I had to intervene and remind them that Warner had already jumped in and put Blazing Saddles on Blu.
Half the kids had never seen it, a good portion of those had never heard of it (let's save the currently trendy "Why Millennials have never seen pre-1975 movies" discussion for another thread), and some immediately rushed to Blockbuster to catch a Blu they hadn't seen.
The reaction for the rest of the discussion was "Hey, they're using the N-word! You can't do that, that's offensive, it isn't funny!"

1974, folks. It whipped the 21st-cty.'s "edgy un-PC comedy" in a fair fight and left it crying.


(Yep, AMC is still showing movies. It's not all about The Walking Dead. They've realized that their cash cow is quickly running into a wall.)

I agree that Blazing Saddles wasn't "politically correct" in the 70's (origin release).
I mean that most people, at this time, are more equipped to handle satire and respect it as something that mocks the stereotypical racism portrayed in Hollywood's heavy "Cowboy and Indian" production period.
Hindsight is 20/20 is what they say, no?
In its day, Blazing Saddles was happily "anti-politically correct".
Now? I find it more politically correct because it addresses the issues in a mocking tone; the modern day media (film/television) rides on satire and tongue-in-cheek comedy.
At the same time, I've just spent the last 4 hours watching "Good Times".
My girlfriend was taken back because of the language used (honky, negro, coon, etc) when characters were defending themselves against a white person in the show or when referring to themselves in some context.
The reality is that the 70's were a time that these shows would be seen as being against the grain but I have a different take on their humor nowadays.

Thanks for the correction on screenwriters and scripting in general around Blazing Saddles.
I was one of those kids that caught it on television and VHS growing up (like most films that were slightly dated), so most of my knowledge is often going to be in a generation after the original publication date (born in the late 80's).
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:

Comedy is 1,000 times bigger now than it was in Mel Brooks' heyday.

How in the hell is comedy dying?


Watch a 60's TV-sitcom episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show, a 70's episode of The Bob Newhart Show, an 80's episode of Cheers, a 90's episode of The Office, and a 00's episode of How I Met Your Mother.
I'd name a 10's network sitcom episode, but...I can't think of any.

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Who in the world even watches sitcoms nowadays?

Aside from that comedians are becoming millionaires nowadays with tons of comedy specials. That wasn't happening in Mel Brooks's heyday.

How foolish can you be to think that comedy is dying? What year are you guys living in

I swear, reading some of these comments in the right-wing threads it's like they're not even coming from the real world.

And you want to know what's the kicker? There are barely any successful right-wing comics, because they're not even capable of nuance.

Who's a right-wing comic? Dennis Miller? Mel Brooks? Who else is there? The reality is that all the comedians are mostly left-wingers because you actually have to have a sense of empathy and heavy sarcasm and a nuanced perspective of life to even engage in successful comedy.
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I keep telling myself it will die out sooner or later, but part of me knows that people will always find a way to be triggered.


There are posts on this very board talking about 'white genocide' in a time period where human beings are at their most peaceful.

There will always be people triggered, no matter what. And the ones who complain the most are the ones who are the most triggered.

Take this nonsensical post about comedy dying out, during a time period where comedians are richer than ever.

Beyond absurd.
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Who in the world even watches sitcoms nowadays?

Aside from that comedians are becoming millionaires nowadays with tons of comedy specials. That wasn't happening in Mel Brooks's heyday.

How foolish can you be to think that comedy is dying? What year are you guys living in

I swear, reading some of these comments in the right-wing threads it's like they're not even coming from the real world.

And you want to know what's the kicker? There are barely any successful right-wing comics, because they're not even capable of nuance.

Who's a right-wing comic? Dennis Miller? Mel Brooks? Who else is there? The reality is that all the comedians are mostly left-wingers because you actually have to have a sense of empathy and heavy sarcasm and a nuanced perspective of life to even engage in successful comedy.


A lot of what you said is just your opinion or how you view things. You cant be a great comedian if you're left wing because you cant say anything offensive lol. Well unless it's aimed at Donald Trump or something.
Or a left winged female comedian who dose nothing but joke about her vagina and being a slut.
Look at how the left wing PC SJW crap is killing the comic book industry. Not comedy so off topic i know but just saying.

And i personally think the far left are not living in the real world. You you and i are good examples of people having a very different perspectives on things.

Two broke girls, whilst wasn't very funny, that show was good and had balls. Iam amazed it took so long to get canned. Not because it wasn't very funny but because how offensive it must have been for some people lol.
But that show was yet another example of sex sells.

There's still some great comedians out there anyways, not left wing either. Bill Burr, Jimmy Carr, etc
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Not to mention his Fox sitcom


I was just thinking about Sarah Silverman's old show earlier. She actually did an entire episode where the storyline was defending herself in court after being seen licking her dog's butthole in public.

That would be funny as a throwaway gag in a standup show. "My dog's always licking his butt, and I don't know why. It doesn't taste all that great." But she made a twenty minute television episode out of that, which did this weird sort of full-circle thing where it's so aggressively not funny that it becomes funny. Silverman is like that; probably eighty percent of her stuff stops in the "aggressively not funny" zone, but that last twenty percent is hilarious.

Where she fucks up, IMO, is still putting out the other eighty percent. You're supposed to ruthlessly cull whatever doesn't work from your act, and then take only the best bits out on tour to do sixty shows and a one-hour special. Louis CK has been doing this for a couple of decades, and it's made him arguably the best living comic on the planet. He does hundreds of radio shows and short igs in small towns, where he tries out material that never makes it onto the stage in front of a large audience. By the time he stands up in front of twenty thousand people, he's stripped eight hours of new material down to ninety minutes, and those ninety minutes are fucking amazing.

That's not a brilliant new approach to comedy, either. Eddie Izzard has been doing it just about as long, it's just that most people have somehow forgotten that this is how comedy is supposed to work. It's become notable, because these days pretty much everyone's just a hack.
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:

Comedy is 1,000 times bigger now than it was in Mel Brooks' heyday.

How in the hell is comedy dying?

Is anybody even stopping to think how insane this sounds?


Yeah SJW is a huge joke, yeah in your face fucked up stupid people is live and well. But for comedians that challenge political standards and debate about race (that's fine as long as your not a white male.) O hell better watch those micro aggressions hate to be called a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, misogynistic, Melanophobia, transphobic, straight cis white male! I better go check my white privilege.
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Yeah SJW is a huge joke, yeah in your face fucked up stupid people is live and well. But for comedians that challenge political standards and debate about race (that's fine as long as your not a white male.) O hell better watch those micro aggressions hate to be called a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, misogynistic, Melanophobia, transphobic, straight cis white male! I better go check my white privilege.


Perhaps you should?
I mean, I don't see much in terms of "white privilege".
Though, it does appear that you take everything personally and allow people online throwing out terms like "transphobic" and "cis male" to bother you to the core.
Time to take a step back and realize that there are some who do have it worse off than you; not just based on sexual preference, race, gender.. but mostly on socio-economic levels too.

What was that phrase people have been using on here and other forums lately?
Offense is taken, never given.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Yeah SJW is a huge joke, yeah in your face fucked up stupid people is live and well. But for comedians that challenge political standards and debate about race (that's fine as long as your not a white male.) O hell better watch those micro aggressions hate to be called a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, misogynistic, Melanophobia, transphobic, straight cis white male! I better go check my white privilege.


Perhaps you should?
I mean, I don't see much in terms of "white privilege".
Though, it does appear that you take everything personally and allow people online throwing out terms like "transphobic" and "cis male" to bother you to the core.
Time to take a step back and realize that there are some who do have it worse off than you; not just based on sexual preference, race, gender.. but mostly on socio-economic levels too.

What was that phrase people have been using on here and other forums lately?
Offense is taken, never given.


'Maybe the joke went over your head.'


OR MAYBE it was below you.


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i think the real main issue some in this thread are taking umbrage with is not so much that comedy is dying out, its that they feel potitcally incorrect comedy they enjoy is being targeted, in particular comedy that targets left wing "sacred cows" such as race, the LGBT community, ect
but that't just my perspective on the situation
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:
And you want to know what's the kicker? There are barely any successful right-wing comics, because they're not even capable of nuance.

Who's a right-wing comic? Dennis Miller? Mel Brooks? Who else is there? The reality is that all the comedians are mostly left-wingers because you actually have to have a sense of empathy and heavy sarcasm and a nuanced perspective of life to even engage in successful comedy.


The problem is that right wing political "comedy" punches down instead of up. The best comedy is typically the kind that satirize or challenges the status quo, exceptions and especially authority. But American conservatives are, by their nature, the status quo authority. If their humour gets political their targets are inevitably going to be people, groups or ideas that have less power than they do.

Thus they punch down at the underdogs instead of up at The Man(tm). So rather than comedy you just end up with a dude on stage acting like an asshole to people with less social/political power than themselves.

It ends up mean spirited rather than funny and only people equally mean spirited are going to laugh.








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Political Correctness is more than that, it's one of the reasons the west is failing.


Care to explain?
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Cydoemus wrote:
(Yep, AMC is still showing movies. It's not all about The Walking Dead. They've realized that their cash cow is quickly running into a wall.)


Of course, the reason AMC started showing Mad Men in the first place was that Turner Classic Movies already had Warner and three other studios corporately locked up, and with two other studios locked up at Starz, AMC left stuck with just Fox and Universal meant that the week became pretty much just one big rotation of Jaws, The Omen, Blues Brothers and Blazing Saddles, over and over and over.
Still, good to see they picked up where they left off.


Thanks for the correction on screenwriters and scripting in general around Blazing Saddles.
I was one of those kids that caught it on television and VHS growing up (like most films that were slightly dated), so most of my knowledge is often going to be in a generation after the original publication date (born in the late 80's).
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Even if you were watching Good Times, some one else would read that, think you were trying to throw a shovel of dirt on the mythical Age of Idiotic TV Catchphrases (bazinga!), and you can draw an age line for kids who literally don't know the Pop-Kitschy Parents'-Decade differences between the 70's and 80's, as long as they're both good for a superior snicker.
(Check out that "Disco David Hasselhoff" video from Guardians of the Galaxy 2....Okay, where do we start the history lessons? )

That's one reason rerun-illiterate kids brag about not watching sitcoms anymore--One person might say "Mary Tyler Moore Show", and the other person would hear "Laughtracks on 'Fuller House'".


qwueri wrote:
Modern Family or Big Bang Theory?


Yeah, now that you mention, Modern Family is...pretty much the gravestone of what happened to network sitcoms in the 10's, after networks stopped trying to sell Comedy to Everyone, and started selling Mainstream Pop-Culture Recognition/Empowerment to Isolated Niches.
When TV self-cannibalization on ABC has become "Let's top an outspoken Gay-inclusive Family with an outspoken Black and/or Cerebal Palsy-inclusive family!", the prosecution rests.


21stCenturyGemini wrote:
Who in the world even watches sitcoms nowadays?


I do. Vintage ones, on HuluPlus.
(Anyone who doesn't have a sense of humor probably lost their thumbs as well, thanks to alien walnuts from the planet Twylo.)

But with the Modern Family example, we can have "PC killed comedy" AND "Vocal attention-struck PC niches killed mainstream network-TV broadcasting", they can both work!
And we can even throw in "Sit-comedy became sour, snarky, negative and narcissistically self-centered in the 90's-10's, after we all wanted to b***h about how much we hated our jobs and our co-workers", dating back to The Office and Seinfeld...Look, whaddya want, an APOLOGY for nine years of "Friends" and "Cosby Show"??
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