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Posted 9/23/17 , edited 9/24/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


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This one is easy, you don't need to overthink it.

What happened to the Native American's was a genocide. What is happening to whites now is not a genocide, because no one is systematically murdering them. Whites are simply being demographically replaced. Which is not a problem per se.


Death from disease != genocide


To continue our discussion from last time, the extant historical records do indicate that what happened to the Arawaks because of Christopher Columbus does constitute genocide.

I'm just bringing it up because it seemed relevant. I already know Arawaks != all Native Americans.
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Canada is odd that it's a country made of people from countries that were constantly at war with each other. They even have two official languages. Do race issues ever rare it's head in life there?


Of course, from time to time. Our history of dealing with native people's is pretty piss poor for example. However, we don't have what seems like an unresolved civil war over slavery in our history that's tainted the system for 100+ years. Nor a significant chunk of the country that seems like it wants to go back to said civil war.

Racism is completely socially unacceptable here though. A politician like Trump would have been over before he started the moment he first opened his mouth about Mexican rapists.

Thus our political scandals are almost always about money or mismanagement rather than social issues or personal failings. As its hard to get elected in the first place with the latter. While the former will see your arse tossed out as our system actually allows for a politician to be removed. Even if you're the ruling party.

With our system the government can be taken down a new election called at any time if the ruling party loses a confidence vote. Instead of your system where the winning party's candidate is effectively president for 4 years no matter what they say or do.








Like that senator recently who wrote a letter that essentially said all natives should give up and assimilate.

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It boggles my mind anyone can believe such stupidity.


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^Yeah Zimbabwe and South Africa are great examples.
EDIT: and i hear its the Mexicans that will over take, not the blacks?


South Africa's economy is nearly 3X what it was at the end of apartheid. I know it's stalled recently, but you can't dispute it's much better off than it was 25 years ago.


I was more talking about what happened to the white people in Zimbabwe and what is currently happening to the white people in South Africa.
Zimbabwe is the worst case.
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MysticGon wrote:
Canada is odd that it's a country made of people from countries that were constantly at war with each other. They even have two official languages. Do race issues ever rare it's head in life there?


Of course, from time to time. Our history of dealing with native people's is pretty piss poor for example. However, we don't have what seems like an unresolved civil war over slavery in our history that's tainted the system for 100+ years. Nor a significant chunk of the country that seems like it wants to go back to said civil war.

Racism is completely socially unacceptable here though. A politician like Trump would have been over before he started the moment he first opened his mouth about Mexican rapists.

Thus our political scandals are almost always about money or mismanagement rather than social issues or personal failings. As its hard to get elected in the first place with the latter. While the former will see your arse tossed out as our system actually allows for a politician to be removed. Even if you're the ruling party.

With our system the government can be taken down a new election called at any time if the ruling party loses a confidence vote. Instead of your system where the winning party's candidate is effectively president for 4 years no matter what they say or do.








I come originally from a more rural and parochial part of the country with a large minority of Natives. Out right racism towards natives was not uncommon in speach and behaviour where and when I was growing up. ... Of course we were pretty homophobic there and then too so.... times change.


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runec wrote:


MysticGon wrote:
Canada is odd that it's a country made of people from countries that were constantly at war with each other. They even have two official languages. Do race issues ever rare it's head in life there?


Of course, from time to time. Our history of dealing with native people's is pretty piss poor for example. However, we don't have what seems like an unresolved civil war over slavery in our history that's tainted the system for 100+ years. Nor a significant chunk of the country that seems like it wants to go back to said civil war.

Racism is completely socially unacceptable here though. A politician like Trump would have been over before he started the moment he first opened his mouth about Mexican rapists.

Thus our political scandals are almost always about money or mismanagement rather than social issues or personal failings. As its hard to get elected in the first place with the latter. While the former will see your arse tossed out as our system actually allows for a politician to be removed. Even if you're the ruling party.

With our system the government can be taken down a new election called at any time if the ruling party loses a confidence vote. Instead of your system where the winning party's candidate is effectively president for 4 years no matter what they say or do.


Canada differ from US in that their historic conflicts occur between people of different culture or political alignment instead of ethnicity. As a result, discrimination in Canada occur less on racial lines. However, racism in canada can still be justified on cultural or political grounds. Even then, racism can still be as severe as those in US history: After WW2, the Canadian government take in Nazi scientists and use them to conduct illegal experiment on Native American children on residential schools where abuses was reported to be as severe as the war crimes from Nazi Germany. The last residential school had only closed around the 1990s.

On more recent time, before they get voted out of government in 2015, the Conservative Party of Canada had negated their duty in the treaties with the Native Americans and falsely claim that their obligation in the treaty is providing a "special status" to the Native Americans. The Conservative Party also prevent the Native Americans from managing their own affairs and set up an European American official with serious criminal record to do the management. When mismanagement occured, the Conservatives then held the Native American chiefs as scapegoat. There were also the suspicion that the Conservatives had assassinated a Native American officer, steal his identity, and commit genocide under his name. The Conservative had also attributed the social problems in the native communities, like suicide, to Native American tradition when the loss of those tradition is actually the cause of the said social problems.


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I have quite a bit of Native blood in me but I am called white so your definitely white. Any skin that gets decent sun looks like a native and the other part is half between the two. The color system is more of "you look it so you must be it" than anything just like how Obama is a half-half but he looks black so now hes black. Personally I'd say Asians are whites because of how white they skin actually gets.

But if Asians are the lost white tribe then it may just be trying to merge the two sides \s


Different people at different time period have different criteria of who is the "white race". In US from a few hudred years ago, only certain European tribes are considered "white" while ther other European tribes are considered "black". All European tribes are now considered "white" with the exception of Western European countries. From what I studied in US, some Asian ethnic groups and the more "white" people among the colored race are now considered to be the "white" race to maintain white privilege. The melting pot character of US had allowed the easy inclusion of previously non-white people into the white race. This is what social construction is all about: the distinction between white people and black people exist not because of their different disposition but because of their different social situation from their different treatment.
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bumbler wrote:

This one is easy, you don't need to overthink it.

What happened to the Native American's was a genocide. What is happening to whites now is not a genocide, because no one is systematically murdering them. Whites are simply being demographically replaced. Which is not a problem per se.


Death from disease != genocide


Depending on where you get your secondhand blankets.
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There is no genocide of caucasians going on in the United States of America.
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Last I checked, racism doesn't have a defined color. Anti-white narratives are rather common these days and the blacks that push them are racists too. On the conservative vs liberal part, don't forget that some politicians called the black male demographic "super predators" back in the 90's. Only fools think politicians are trustworthy, regardless of party. Reality is, there's plenty of racist people in every country. Leaders are psychopaths. Race and immigration are just tools for getting elected. We are all part of the green race known as money and it rules today's world with an iron fist. The changing demographics of a population aren't a genocide. Predictive graphs can be designed to misrepresent anything. There's plenty of morons out there who will believe anything they see on the very first Google result. Numbers are often fabricated to fit certain narratives. When the time comes that the minority is no longer the minority but not the majority, what will you call it? Equality? Until the scales tip in the other direction, then its right back to the same old song and dance.
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Conservative definitions emphasize intentional actions and policies of governments that result in very large population losses, usually from direct killing. More liberal definitions call for less stringent criteria for intent, focusing more on outcomes. They do not necessarily require direct sanction by state authorities; rather, they identify societal forces and actors. They also allow for several intersecting forces of destruction, including dispossession and disease.

...debates about genocide easily devolve into quarrels about definitions...


So that's where most of the arguments fall victim.

That said I see people bringing up white suicide. Either through appeasement of other races or by not making enough babies.

People in the more populated, more diverse cities have more babies than white, rural areas.

Where whites are plowing the ground they should be plowing each other. That's entirely on them.

But then there is the economic argument. Certain jobs vanishing, replaced by others. Things other members pointed that are also happening in other countries where minorities compete for the lowest paying jobs. Then on the other end on the spectrum the high achievers might not even want kids because of their career. Like the poster above said, it's all about money.

Then of course the social aspect of it where people say there is a "sins of our fathers" mentality that allows for free range on white culture.


Personally to that I say if you can't adapt without vilifying other people then the problem is squarely on you. Make yourself more employable so you can have more money to support that family.

Also a lot of people these days are content with one child so a decrease is only natural.

Then there is the issue of big mega companies obliterating smaller establishments and having a lower paid workforce to offer lower prices. That may be a legitimate gripe against enterprise and monopolies but that's the free market for you. Sure you can regulate but you can't let race be the driving factor. That is the very definition of racism. Besides would you feel better if the people coming over working for shit pay were white Irishmen like in the 1800s?

Immigration should be color-blind and so too should employment opportunities. Now of course you won't hire a white man to worker in a black salon and there are certain ethnically driven businesses but overall the current system works as advertised.

There doesn't need to be immigration quotas. That's the definition of racism.

Diversity isn't something to be feared and demographics shouldn't be controlled. Immigration law should be obeyed and the rest will work itself out. If everyone can use every mechanism available to them(social security, Medicaid, financial aid, unemployment, bank loans) without worrying about the color of their skin we've reached true equality.

If you are worried about the birth rate bust out the Barry White.
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i don't care if one race gets interbred out of existence or whatever out of existence (other then violence or such) its the pandering to barbaric cultures and beliefs that worries me a bit more then any sense of racial purity or numbers though i do think it is a double standard that one race can be picked on with little consequence no matter which is being targeted in fact i wish the entire idea of race was mostly abolished yet some people can't shut up about it BLM, KKK ETC fuck them
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Depending on where you get your secondhand blankets.


Nice meme. Small pox can't survive for very long outside of a living being though. And the germ theory wasn't discovered until the 1860s, well after small pox had decimated the native populations.
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Not sure why this is surprising. It is happening all over the world in developed countries. Children are no longer seen as an asset but a cost in developed areas. They are no longer expected to work for the family and the costs in raising them has only gone up. Meanwhile immigrants coming in tend to still view children as valuable workers that can make money for the family both in the USA and back in their home country.
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2) A deep rooted fear that if you become the minority the majority will treat you the way you've been treating them all this time.


They wouldn't have any power even as the majority.

Whites/Jews/Asians are having few children, but a massive amount of resources are poured into them. They will be entirely insulated from upcoming starvation/war events, which have been rendered inevitable by increasing debt/tensions.

And thanks to the retardation of "whiteness itself is the evil, oppressive force", non-whites will end up heavily isolated from resources, securing their own annihilation.

How many times have they fallen for this, now? It's getting ridiculous.
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I'm going to be annihilated?
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because white people are a curse, both beneficial and harmful.

everything happens for a reason Especially when its forced
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