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Posted 9/26/17 , edited 9/27/17

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
Kill them all because their leader is insane!


No, kill them all when that's the sanest course of action.

It's not, but we aren't far from the tipping point where it totally is.
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NK needs to not be a thing. Their people are being treated worse than slaves.
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cdarklock wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
Kill them all because their leader is insane!


No, kill them all when that's the sanest course of action.

It's not, but we aren't far from the tipping point where it totally is.

Yah. We were at that point about 5 years ago with Afghanistan, but we have yet to nuke the middle east. werid
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When I saw the OP saying the Chinese are peace keepers, oh man. That's gold, Commies as peace keepers!


China has become more flexible after the death of Mao Zedong. Not perfect, but much better, in my opinion. China is just as concerned with what is happening in Korea as anyone else.
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That crazy ching chong rice hoarder is going to get nuked. They don't stand a single chance in a war, so they're all going to die and it's going to be sweet.
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First off, your "plan" is absurd. Allow me to explain:

1) Trump is not insane. All he has done is state long held US policy, and been bluntly honest about it. It has ALWAYS been US policy that if any country used nukes against the US or its allies, the US would respond with a massive retaliation.It has always been US policy that if NK resumes the war that has been on ceasefire status since 1953, the US will respond militarily. Trump has not stated one thing that was not already US policy regarding our stance on retaliation.

2) China remains a totalitarian regime and one of the worst violators of human rights on the planet. They would like nothing better than to take up their place on the DMZ, so they could be in position to put more pressure on Seoul. Such a move would sell out South Korea to the Chinese.Are you aware that the only reason NK exists as a country was due to the massive influx of Chinese troops which attacked United Nations forces, and that the last 2 years of the war most of the fighting was done by Chinese troops, and that numerous war crimes were committed against the Korean people by those Chinese invaders?

3) The US isn't a threat to NK. Based on your "solution" you clearly know very little about the actual status of things. Go compare the size of the South Korean Military to the US presence on the peninsula. The US is there to act as a tripwire to deter an NK invasion.

4) Are you aware that Kim just recently had his brother assassinated? Or that NK has mounted a terrorist campaign, including suicide attackers, for decades? Or that NK kidnapped Japanese citizens, abducting them to NK by submarine with the idea of using them to train agents to pass as Japanese?

5) NK has broken every treaty except the ceasefire, and even there, they've frequently had incidents where they've technically violated it.

Your ideas are unworkable. Some proposals are pure idealism, with a proven real-world track record of failure (are you aware that an agreement was entered into where then Pres. Bill Clinton promised that NK had promised to abandon their nuke program? Bill got played.

And China? It's like your henhouse is being raided by weasels and you put a fox in it to guard the chickens from the weasels. What the fox says is: Thank you, they were delicious.
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Having said what I've said, the only realistic option for a peaceful resolution is for China to put enough pressure for Kim to crawl back under a rock. Or for the Chinese to pick some one else, and launch a decapitation strike to assassinate Kim.

China wants North Korea as a buffer between it and the West, with the West starting at the border with South Korea. They actually like having their own vassal state in NK that can poke at the West, especially the US, as China can use controlling NK as a bargaining chip for concessions.

It should not be forgotten that any Western military attack on NK could result in massive casualties to South Korea. Millions of people in South Korea live within artillery range of NK.

Oh, one other thing: Iranian tech people have been there throughout, taking notes for their own nuke and missile programs. There is no easy solution.
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China killing Kim and turning NK into a direct puppet state via a planted figurehead (instead of the rabid dog on a leash they are currently) would be more effective. Any generals would have to comply, I imagine they're weary of China's wrath much more than America.

Given how deeply disconnected the NK population is from Kim, it wouldn't be hard to convince the NK public his 'son' is the next legitimate heir. This maintains NK as a buffer zone between unwanted western influence, (it's the only reason China allows NK to exist) and removes the threat of global nuclear warfare -- until China decides for it. That'd break their economy, though.


*Oh wait a minute, that's exactly how it is right now. Silly me.
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Posted 9/27/17 , edited 9/27/17

cdarklock wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
Kill them all because their leader is insane!


No, kill them all when that's the sanest course of action.

It's not, but we aren't far from the tipping point where it totally is.


The discussion in this thread remind me of those traditional magical girl or action-adventure show of the 1990s: an ego-centric fundamentalist protagonist solve a national or world crisis with a simplistic solution; other characters could think of such solution but they had not due to a fantasy logic that only existed to make the story work. The simplistic idea of killing anyone who do not follow your ideology or the belief that anyone who oppose your core values is absolutely evil is unrealistic. Such simplistic thinking had lead to WW1. I do agree with AirMarshall in the military disarment and the inclusion of China for peacekeeping but I do believe that the proposal from the OP is too simplistic to work.

In the Cold War, the US had believed that democracy could only occur by violent revolution and they could not expected the second generation Soviet rulers to williingly introduce democracy at the cost of their position as dictators. The US could explain this peaceful shift into democracy as an inspiration to imitate US but this could not explain why young Soviet generation abandon their personal interest which is against the Capitalist value of US. The problem here is dispositional attribution error: the US leaders judge the Communists and Muslims without considering the local circumstance of their respective countries. From what my observation, the conservative Capitalists believe that the Korean Communists embrace evil for no reason and so cannot be negotiated; this logic is used by Trump to provoke a war which could destroy North Korea by foreign invasion or collapse it by the drain in resource.

I did say this in another thread but Kim Jong Un seem to be avoiding war with South Korea: he do not conduct military drill near the Korean border even when Trump had conduct such military drill and instead conduct nuclear missile test toward US. It is also important to note that Communist dictatorship is not absolute; Communist authority is restrained by law and ideology in contrast to the dictatorship that US is supporting in Neo-Colonialism. Peaceful solution should be possible since Kim Jong Un is rational enough to avoid war. I also wonder what are the other members of US congress are doing? The bi-partisan decision in congress to expel Russian diplomats could override Trump's decision as president so the congress members should be able to take a rein on Trump to stop him from provoking a nuclear war.
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Rujikin wrote:

NK needs to not be a thing. Their people are being treated worse than slaves.


Well, that's the problem, it's not a thing ALREADY--Just that they're stuck with a basement-dwelling nerdmeister leader who thinks it is, and has discovered the personal delusional thrill of trolling, just like other basement-dwelling nerdmeisters with keyboards.


dulun18 wrote:

"Democratic People's Republic of Korea" really? I like how these people tend use fancy words for "communist". Democratic, People's Republic.


Like the Yes, Minister quote:
"So what's the country calling itself these days?"
"'The People's Free Democratic Republic'."
"Oh, Communist, then..."


Wouldn't it be easier if they just attack and get it over with? I think it's obvious that they are seeking attention more than war.


Well, that's the tactical all-or-nothing problem with nerdmeisters who try to bluff the school bully--
If it (obviously) isn't working as much as their imagination thought it would ahead of time, they either now have to fight knowing they'll get their ass kicked, and trust to delusional luck that won't be there in reality, or run to escape the now ultimate inevitability of getting their ass kicked.
Bluffing a second or third time is most definitely not advisable, as laughter was all they had to worry about the first time.
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I sense in the near future that North Korea will be getting some freedom.
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There is a solution, however it's far too risky for most counties to even consider as of right now.

North koreas military is from a numbers perspective have one of the worlds largest armies, however most of their weapons are old cold war weapons that really can't compete with any modern military force. So if someone attacked them like the USA then they would destroy them off the map within a week or so. But if they attacked then the Norks would attack South korea and Japan with what their nuclear toys and cause the death of countless lives.

Then there's also the whole "China doesn't want US troops near it's border" thing due to the South china sea dispute and also because they don't want to handle with the 25 million refugees from North korea that would rush over their border. So maybe China would go to the rescue of North korea if someone were to attack them, because if North korea fell then it would lead to south korea taking that part of the map and probably also have the US troops move up closer to China.

And North korea won't stop with their nuclear problem because they see it as a form of protection and a barrier from attacks. China as a peacekeeper is a horrible idea
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Posted 9/27/17 , edited 9/27/17
So basically the gist of the thread is that we just need to send North Korea a house warming gift of napalm, spread thick and deep.
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You must execute him. A leader that has disrespected his people to the point of war that is unmerited. Punishable to the full extent.

But what do I know.... I'm just a civilian





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All I can say is im glad I don't live in the US lol
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