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I'm not stupid, I won't pay. They think just because you put a name behind a pay wall, anyone will pay for it. In most cases people will because they already have prime, but people like me who know exactly what a new anime season or series will bring is a rushed, uninteresting cash grab.

Amazon is convenient for my personal needs. Not to swoop in and slap people in the face for no reason. There was no need to split the competition, FACT! They did this not for the fans, but for corporate greed.

What's next? Make streaming complete shit on CR that it forces people to get on their knees for Amazon? Fuck you! If you need money so poorly , we didn't need anime in the first place. I'd rather mind my own legacy.

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I ended up splitting the cost with a family member.
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Phrecklez wrote:

As someone who uses Amazon prime fairly often, I don't mind to pay a little more to see what it has to offer in the anime department..


Most people DO. Especially those used to getting things on the Internet Where Everything's Free, who get on their Internet-underground fantasies and claim "Watch the rebellion of the Free Pirates change the industry!" whenever anyone tries to charge them money for something they want.

And why they're complaining about Amazon forcing them to pay more money for anime, is usually because they don't know where ELSE to get their streaming anime from, if it's not coming from Netflix.
I know, it sounds odd to hear that on a Crunchyroll board, where it's assumed they've found some actual real streaming-anime site, that licenses actual current-airing series with free or normal pricing structures, but there ya go.

Once in a rare while, you'll find someone complaining that a favorite series they wanted to watch was being held "hostage" by Amazon's extra fee, but that's pretty rare--As Amazon, like Netflix, doesn't really know what titles to license, grabs whatever they can find, usually artsy-looking action, and baffles us with titles you usually just don't hear fans talking about.
(I mean, okay, I watch Seven Deadly Sins and Little Witch Academia, but that's just me, and that still isn't Amazon.)
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namealreadytaken wrote:

i remember reading plenty of complaints from free users saying that the videos on CR were effectively unwatchable due to endless ads or ads that run longer than the show itself. thankfully i don't have to deal with this, since i don't use CR for anime anyways.


The ads through a web browser seem to be location specific and there are quite a lot of them.

Through the crunchyroll app I get maybe 4 minutes of ads for a 24 minute show, and all the ads are for Crunchyroll and VRV.
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Phrecklez wrote:


Is there any other reason not relating to having less spare cash to use?


I know you mentioned you can afford the paywall, but that sucker is $160 a year.

Also if Amazon really wanted to they could basically force the current Anime market such as Crunchyroll, Funi, Daisuke (Didn't that shut down? lol) , etc out of business. Crunchyroll is a company that deals with income in the millions. Amazon deals with money in the billions. On a whim Amazon could buy the rights for every simulcast for the Winter 2017 season. Do you really think people are gonna stay subscribed to Crunchyroll if they can't offer a single show for a season? What about 2 seasons? What about a year? This can start hurting Crunchyroll enough to force them to close - and if they close in that scenario who do you think would pick up the rights for everything Crunchy and Funi has? It's sure as heck not going to be Youtube. Once Amazon has a monopoly like that, the $160 fee you find so reasonable for strike might become a $170 fee. Maybe a $200 fee. They could charge $20/month for strike meaning you're paying $240 for strike, then another $100 on top of that for the prime you need as a prerequisite. $160 might not hurt your pockets but how does $340 a year sound? What else are you gonna do? Find a competitor? You don't think with such a monopoly Amazon wouldnt be able to go after and shut down the sites on the 7 seas? Your only option at that point is to pay $340/year to stream anime from Amazon or no anime at all.

This is why Amazon getting into the anime market is a very scary thing.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

"It seems you guys just want an apple, when you can get the entire feast of Amazon Prime and Animestrike. You know what you can do with Amazon Prime? You can order express with a lesser fee, buy more faster, and..."

"That is the problem. To me, they are making me buy an entire feast when an apple will suffice. I just want the goddamn apple."


The quality of Amazon Prime is only contingent for those who want it. There are those who do not want it, and thus, it doesn't matter. In any other words, some people just do not f*cking care how great Amazon Prime is, in your own opinion".

It honestly bothers me when one exalts it the quality and numerous services of Prime without taking in mind the preference of the skeptic.


No, really: Did someone actually call Amazon Prime a "feast", just because they got it for the free shipping??
We're still in that new-technology stage where no one who rhapsodizes about it in the tech-press actually uses it, aren't we?

The only reason Prime's gotten into the business of double-paywall Micro-Channels like Starz, HBO, Ted, Shudder, etc., is a little thing their own main movie/TV streaming service started experiencing, called "Starvation".
They can't get as many movies for their own service anymore, since
A) first the studios started considering subscription streaming The Enemy of Digital Download, and making sure Netflix and Amazon weren't unfair competition to their movie sales by pulling most of the movie licenses off the service,
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B) the fact that Internet-enabled former cable channels like Showtime, PBS Kids and Cinemax now see the writing on the wall for cable, want to get into the new Streaming Revolution on their own without NetAzon, and they actually have the licenses to their own movies. But, like Crackle, they can't do it on their own, so Amazon does what it's always done best, and Sells Other People's Stuff In One Convenient One-Stop Shopping Location...While claiming that they're selling the "Target-audience content" theme-channels that old 90's cable channels used to sell.

If Animax wanted to open their own corporate-branded Prime-splinter double-paywall channel, and finally get that foot in the US, I'd be all over it.
But no, this one's all Amazon, so it'll end up in the cheesy obscure titles, PD, and whatever they could license, that most of the non-network splinter channels have ended up with.
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Because I'm a poor college student and I can't really afford anything. I only have CR because my parents gifted a year of it for me.

I don't have cable so I miss out on a lot of shows. It's frustrating knowing that even if I get more streaming services I'll still be held out from shows I want because they're scattered through so many different services. Plus, Anime Strike is just too darn expensive.

However, I will say, from my experience with a sample of Amazon Prime Student, the streaming service is actually very good. It is the only streaming service I know of that if I pause and close out of it, it will put me RIGHT back where I paused the video when I open the video back up. None of that two to three minutes off nonsense that CR does.
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Dalmah wrote:

I know you mentioned you can afford the paywall, but that sucker is $160 a year.

Also if Amazon really wanted to they could basically force the current Anime market such as Crunchyroll, Funi, Daisuke (Didn't that shut down? lol) , etc out of business.


Not really. Amazon/Anime Strike has partnered with Sentai Filmworks, so I don't think they'll have access to Funimation titles. Since Crunchyroll is basically simulcasting Funi titles, they will not be forced out of the market unless Funi goes under--and I don't see that happening for a good while.


Dalmah wrote:Crunchyroll is a company that deals with income in the millions. Amazon deals with money in the billions. On a whim Amazon could buy the rights for every simulcast for the Winter 2017 season.


Simulcast rights usually go with the rights for the physical releases. Even though Sentai had their Anime Network, they still let CR obtain simulcast rights for the subbed only version of their titles. Now, all of CR's simulcasts are the subtitled versions of Funi shows, as are the new series they are adding. By the time they are finished, Funimation.com will be all dubbed titles and CR will have all of Funi's subs. Therefore, I don't think Anime Strike will be be the sole source for anime in the US any time in the future.

Also, Amazon is not a content provider--they are a retailer. They wouldn't even know how to process anime titles for physical release.
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Phrecklez wrote:

Is there any other reason not relating to having less spare cash to use?



Complexity. I have six different streaming services. When I want to watch a particular show, I have to figure out which service it's on, and then go watch it there.

This kinda sucks.

It sucks even more when they drop the show I'm paying to watch, without warning or explanation, and I can't find a legal streaming outlet for it anywhere. But it's completely stupid to think refusing to give Amazon $5 a month is going to make any kind of meaningful statement about that.
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iriomote wrote:There's no free, ad-based viewing option. There are people who (for whatever reason) can't or won't pay for anime streaming.

i remember reading plenty of complaints from free users saying that the videos on CR were effectively unwatchable due to endless ads or ads that run longer than the show itself. thankfully i don't have to deal with this, since i don't use CR for anime anyways.


I've attempted to watch anime on here after I dropped my subscription to support them. After I got the same car ad 5 times in a single episode I... never watched another anime on here. CR likely doesn't get much in the way of advertisers and so you end up seeing the same ads over and over again which is maddening - especially when the commercial itself is terrible to begin with. Plus, the ads interrupt the anime so often it's impossible to enjoy it.
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Not really. Amazon/Anime Strike has partnered with Sentai Filmworks, so I don't think they'll have access to Funimation titles. Since Crunchyroll is basically simulcasting Funi titles, they will not be forced out of the market unless Funi goes under--and I don't see that happening for a good while.



Also, Amazon is not a content provider--they are a retailer. They wouldn't even know how to process anime titles for physical release.


1. They wouldn't need access to those titles. They would just need to buy the rights to every simulcast for a couple years, they wouldn't have any competition. Crunchyroll and Funi may both have a lot of titles collected, but if Amazon were to just buy out all of the shows from now on they're both going to see a sharp drop in revenue. How many people on Crunchyroll right now pay for premium? How many of those premium users buy premium just to watch simulcasts because they've pretty much watched everything thats completed on Crunchyroll they want to watch? I've been watching anime since 2014, so about 3 years and other than simulcasts there's nothing left on Crunchyroll for me to feel the need for premium. I'd rather have 2 minute long ad breaks throughout my shows, plus the ad markers let you click to skip the OP so you can get straight into the show after your opening ads. If Crunchyroll couldn't simulcast I would have no reason at all to buy premium, and I know there's many people that are in the same boat as me. If CR isn't getting the same income they need for the shows they already have a license for, they'll have to either go under or slap a premium only onto more series. If it's 2021 and you've been watching anime since 2015 or 2016, are you gonna spend your money for access to shows you've already seen 2 or 3 years ago?

Anyways my main point is they just need to get CR/Funi to start to sink from not being able to Simulcast, then they could easily buy the companies out effectively creating a monopoly.

2. If Amazon is not a content provider then what is the Grand Tour and Man in the High Castle? Just because they have the rights to a physical release doesn't mean they have to have a physical release, and if they were to buy out all future simulcasts, then buy out CR/Funi, they could easily keep the people from both companies involved with a lot of the processes from said companies to streamline Strike.

At the end of the day with how huge Amazon is the only companies that can compete against them are companies like WalMart, Google, Apple, etc.
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double paywall nonsense. Honestly I have less problems with Amazon's service than Netflix's hording of titles from fans outside of Japan.
Regardless the only anime service I am supporting atm is this one.
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still better than the funimation app
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deadFreak781 wrote:

People, please don't cry and #PayForYourAnimeStrike.


Better yet, drop Amazon and #GoSomewhereThatShowsRealAnime.

(Well, okay, that sort of goes over the Twitter hashtag limit, but still.)
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Double paywall.

If there was an option to JUST pay for Anime Strike OR if the cost was ALREADY included in the cost of the Prime membership, that would be one thing. I don't have a problem paying for my Anime--ONCE. I'm not paying twice for a service. And a MONTHLY cost? I pay PER YEAR on memberships. I refuse to buy monthly memberships. I want to pay once a year and be done with it.
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