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Posted 9/29/17 , edited 10/3/17
OP, I hope you realize that Puerto Ricans are primarily White, because, of all possible arguments to be made against our government's response, asserting a racial bias is roughly the worst approach. Also, I hope we all step back and realize that it takes a hell of a lot more than a president snapping his fingers to get shit done. There are dozens to hundreds of folks responsible for the aid. Our presidents are mostly figureheads; this last election didn't change that.
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Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

OP, I hope you realize that Puerto Ricans are primarily White, because, of all possible arguments to be made against our government's response, asserting a racial bias is roughly the worst approach. Also, I hope we all step back and realize that it takes a hell of a lot more than a president snapping his fingers to get shit done. There are dozens to hundreds of folks responsible for the aid. Our presidents are mostly figureheads; this last election didn't change that.

no, trump has to solely focus on one thing, he isn't allowed to talk about anything else! and everything needs to be fixed this INSTANT
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If the people in Puerto Rico were white, would more of an effort be made to get resources to the island?

I personally don't see what the set back is. We are America the great. We have the biggest military in the world. Food and water and can be dropped into out of the way places. if we can get supplies to soldiers when we 're at war in remote areas, then we can get supplies and resources to the people in Puerto Rico.


No,

The setback is called hurricane #3

There are plenty of aid agencies ...support them!
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Three hurricanes back to back, and an earthquake that happened right around the same time as well. Unfortunately no country on this planet has the power to go out immediately. Situations have to be monitored first to make sure the danger has passed before they can tread the water and ground in an area that will most likely remain hazardous for months. Think about what might have happened if they went out right after Irma. Most rescuers/suppliers would be there when the second or third hurricane hit and we would have even more casualties and less supplies to help them with. It's the rule of thumb everywhere: Your safety is more important than others. You can't help people in need if your supply boat is sinking.
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redokami wrote:
Britain france japan etc aren't sending aid
if they were in the same dilemma we would be helping them

Where's France ? *cough* Saint Martin *cough* Saint Barthelemy *cough* Guadeloupe *cough* Martinique *cough*
The US would send aid ? *cough* Saint Martin *cough* Saint Barthelemy *cough* Guadeloupe *cough* Martinique *cough* (the only US presence there was to evacuate US citizens.)
I'm not blaming the US, their first duty is to protect their citizens, likewise don't expect us to aid the most powerful country in the world to deal with a problem in its backyard when we have to deal with a problem of our own half a world away (even if both these problems are next door to each other, the resources we spend in service of our own citizens can't be helping yours, and vice-versa).
Ah yes, in case you didn't know, France has quite a few islands in the region too, most of which impacted by either Irma, Maria, or both.
So get off your high horses, will you ?
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Didn't Puerto Rico hated the United States?

Why do they want the help from the government that PR hated so much?

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Rujikin wrote:

Someone probably had to tell Trump that the Jones act was a thing. I find it odd that we have a law that can prevent humanitarian efforts on the books.


Tfw your defense of your politician is that he likely doesn't know legislation.

Also, the reason Trump had to delay in waiving the Jones act for Puerto Rico was because he didn't know it existed at the time? Even though the entire crux of the argument stating that this points to bias was that he had previously waived the exact same act for Texas and Florida beforehand and without such an extreme waiting period?

Well, makes sense to me.


I voted for him partly because he wasn't a politician. He is a businessman at heart. If I wanted more of the same shit I'd have voted for sHillary.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Tfw your defense of your politician is that he likely doesn't know legislation.

Also, the reason Trump had to delay in waiving the Jones act for Puerto Rico was because he didn't know it existed at the time? Even though the entire crux of the argument stating that this points to bias was that he had previously waived the exact same act for Texas and Florida beforehand and without such an extreme waiting period?

Well, makes sense to me.

Frankly, the Jones act should be automatically waived whenever the origin (of refugees) or destination (for aid) is in a declared state of emergency. It's inefficient to require the sitting president to remember and/or decide whether to waive it on a case-by-case basis for emergencies in the first place.

Maybe this will encourage congress to get off their collective behinds and amend the act.. but I doubt it. Pretty sure they're not even capable of tying their shoes at this point.


McCain has been pushing pretty hard to just throw the act out the window completely so that may happen. I can see how the act helps American businesses, don't get me wrong, but if it's going to be at the expense of people whose lives are in danger it's objectively a net negative.
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octorockandroll wrote:


iriomote wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Tfw your defense of your politician is that he likely doesn't know legislation.

Also, the reason Trump had to delay in waiving the Jones act for Puerto Rico was because he didn't know it existed at the time? Even though the entire crux of the argument stating that this points to bias was that he had previously waived the exact same act for Texas and Florida beforehand and without such an extreme waiting period?

Well, makes sense to me.

Frankly, the Jones act should be automatically waived whenever the origin (of refugees) or destination (for aid) is in a declared state of emergency. It's inefficient to require the sitting president to remember and/or decide whether to waive it on a case-by-case basis for emergencies in the first place.

Maybe this will encourage congress to get off their collective behinds and amend the act.. but I doubt it. Pretty sure they're not even capable of tying their shoes at this point.


McCain has been pushing pretty hard to just throw the act out the window completely so that may happen. I can see how the act helps American businesses, don't get me wrong, but if it's going to be at the expense of people whose lives are in danger it's objectively a net negative.


Wouldn't hold my breath for Songbird John McCuck. He has a habit of saying one thing public ally then voting differently when the time comes. He is just another crooked politician that will say anything to get voted in.
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dhgshdgds wrote:

blah blah fake meme


FYI, I don't mean to nitpick but Donald did not donate 1 million to Puerto Rico. As for the rest of that the jury is still out on how effective and how much of it he was involved with.
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Ah it is fun to think that people still believe the US is magic and can just overcome a natural disaster.

Given the devastation of a hurricane even on the mainland it would be difficult to get supplies out and around. Where there is no power the only means of communication is paper, or smoke signals. Debris on the road means that trucks carrying supplies cannot get through, this can be compounded by the fact that roads my be flooded. This will also make it hard for people to escape. Saving people is a whole other issue.

So when we say logistics are the problem, it is the truth. People pretend like the US is superman or someone like that who can just lift all the stuff up and save all the people. The US is just as mortal as anyone else. So-called support means nothing if the people providing the support are injured or killed in the process. If the supplies is lost as a result of it being destroyed by debris or horded by evil people. So maybe instead of sitting around caring about biological distinctiveness that we have no control over. We should think about the fact that providing even basic support is dangerous and difficult.

And maybe just maybe keep in mind that life goes on. Americans are not going to say "Lets not cause any trouble so the US can help these people". No, as we have seen, people are still protesting and causing issues and demanding the president's attention. Those who want war with us or just want to kill people are not going to take a break because there was a natural disaster. So maybe, just maybe we cannot put the full force of the US behind fixing things.
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FYI, I don't mean to nitpick but Donald did not donate 1 million to Puerto Rico. As for the rest of that the jury is still out on how effective and how much of it he was involved with.

I haven't seen anything credible about Trump donating his own money. However, his inaugural committee is donating a couple million of leftover donations to the Red Cross and two other charities. Apparently people were getting on their case about it since they raised over $100 million and have been sitting on the donors' leftover money ever since the inauguration.

Perhaps the meme's creator confused other people's money for Trump's? It's understandable, Trump makes that mistake too.
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rawratl wrote:


dhgshdgds wrote:

blah blah fake meme


FYI, I don't mean to nitpick but Donald did not donate 1 million to Puerto Rico. As for the rest of that the jury is still out on how effective and how much of it he was involved with.


Calling someone out for being a liar is not a nitpick, its a perfectly justified counterpoint. On that note, why even make the comparison?

"Ha! You can't criticize Trump for not doing enough as president to help Puerto Rico because other people who aren't president did even less!"

...okay? Do you expect Hillary to have lifted the shipping restrictions and sent the military to help? That's really the epitome of this whole Trump fandom, isn't it? Shoot down opponents for not having done more than what was in their power and praise the nepotist cheeto for doing the bare minimum.

And again, this bare minimum was done a week late. It was not done a week late for Florida and Texas. Why do all the Trumpies keep dodging that fact if not because they have no way to defend it from thise who rightfully call him out on it?
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Three hurricanes back to back, and an earthquake that happened right around the same time as well. Unfortunately no country on this planet has the power to go out immediately. Situations have to be monitored first to make sure the danger has passed before they can tread the water and ground in an area that will most likely remain hazardous for months. Think about what might have happened if they went out right after Irma. Most rescuers/suppliers would be there when the second or third hurricane hit and we would have even more casualties and less supplies to help them with. It's the rule of thumb everywhere: Your safety is more important than others. You can't help people in need if your supply boat is sinking.


they don't think about that lol
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