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Posted 9/30/17 , edited 10/8/17
There's a NMR (nazi) demonstration/rally in gothenburg atm, which was sadly officially allowed by the police.

The expected number of nazis are around 1000, with around 10.000 demonstrating against them. There's also been some people who have been cough carrying weapons from both sides.

Stones have started being thrown at police by antifa because they think their protecting the nazis.

New update nazi's have started to attack journalists and police after their demonstration time went out. Multiple journalists have been hurt.

Update 2: The nazi leader for the group have been cough by police while the rest of the nazi's have been led to a close by ICA maxi (swedish walmart) where their now putting down their flags and walking away.

Sources (in swedish, but google translate should be able to translate the text below the livestreams):
https://www.svd.se/folj-nazistdemonstrationen-i-goteborg
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/stora-demonstrationer-i-centrala-goteborg
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/bRJ7A/stenkastning-och-tumult-vid-nazistmarschen-i-goteborg
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Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.
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Rujikin wrote:

Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.


Um I already said who was throwing stones.

If you think Sweden is in anyway like how germany was before WWII then you need a history check
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Weren't the antifa there chanting 'allahu ackbar' and 'takbir' too?
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For fucks sake. How much longer until people realize that prejudice and violence does not make your political cause look good? I really don't think it's that hard to grasp.
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I have been thinking on this since I saw this post earlier today: why did someone report the original post?
I understand that the entire "Nazi" thing has become excess.
This situation involves the Swedish branch of the Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen [Nordic Resistance Movement] (forgive any issues with the terminology, TheOmegaForce, as Swedish is not my native language).
With that said, I cannot find a genuine reason to report this post.
It boggles me as to how it appears that Crunchyroll has become a political back and forth of being offended between the two extremes.
That's another topic; forgive the off-topic conversation.

In this particular situation, it appears that both sides began to target those whom they felt were "against them".
ANTIFA threw stones at the police for protecting Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen and Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen attacked the police/journalists when they ran out of time for their protest.
Though, from the articles that were linked, it appears that Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen's protest was blocked off due to the issues with the "counter-demonstrators" (ANTIFA).
As always, it appears to be a back and forth line of violence.

It does appear that Rujikin is formulating his opinion based off of the articles that are commonly found in our country, TheOmegaForce.
In our country, it is not uncommon to find right-winged publications framing Sweden as the "end result" of what may happen to the United States if the amount of immigration in this country is not curbed or minimalized to some degree.
This is why you will find quite a few citizens of the United States comparing Sweden to the "pre-WWII Germany".
The reference implies that Germany followed Adolf Hitler strictly due to their frustration with the then-current levels of "open" immigration and anti-nationalist mentality.
Of course, that is not exactly how it went but this matters little when the narrative that's being painted about Sweden by these websites implies that things will continue to escalate in such a fashion.
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Cydoemus wrote:

In this particular situation, it appears that both sides began to target those whom they felt were "against them".
ANTIFA threw stones at the police for protecting Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen and Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen attacked the police/journalists when they ran out of time for their protest.
Though, from the articles that were linked, it appears that Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen's protest was blocked off due to the issues with the "counter-demonstrators" (ANTIFA).
As always, it appears to be a back and forth line of violence.


This pargraph and especially the bolded part really sum up my feelings on not only this situation but the countless others like it; such as the confederate monument issues in the states. It all just strikes me as a bunch of people trying to look for violence. Sure, many will argue that in this case the Nazis are to blame for having started the event or that the antifa are the guilty party because they threw the first punches, but at the end of the day both groups went out looking for a fight and found it. And that honestly makes me a bit sad.

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Cydoemus wrote:

In this particular situation, it appears that both sides began to target those whom they felt were "against them".
ANTIFA threw stones at the police for protecting Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen and Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen attacked the police/journalists when they ran out of time for their protest.
Though, from the articles that were linked, it appears that Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen's protest was blocked off due to the issues with the "counter-demonstrators" (ANTIFA).
As always, it appears to be a back and forth line of violence.

It does appear that Rujikin is formulating his opinion based off of the articles that are commonly found in our country, TheOmegaForce.
In our country, it is not uncommon to find right-winged publications framing Sweden as the "end result" of what may happen to the United States if the amount of immigration in this country is not curbed or minimalized to some degree.
This is why you will find quite a few citizens of the United States comparing Sweden to the "pre-WWII Germany".
The reference implies that Germany followed Adolf Hitler strictly due to their frustration with the then-current levels of "open" immigration and anti-nationalist mentality.
Of course, that is not exactly how it went but this matters little when the narrative that's being painted about Sweden by these websites implies that things will continue to escalate in such a fashion.


Actually I was the one who reported my original post, I did it because I wanted to change the title for the thread due to 2 users here got triggered and sent like 10 messages telling me the title was nazi sympathizing for some idiotic reason. So I just wanted a new title to stop getting annoyed by them.

Yes both sides were looking for violence and a chance to get at the other. Yes they got stopped partway through their demonstration due to counter demonstrations, not by antifa tho just regular counter demonstrators. The counter demonstrations tactic was pretty much to be as many people as possible there so they couldn't get through, so police was forced to stop NRM partway through. And when the police stopped NRM's march through the city is when antifa started their attack claiming the police was defending the NRM nazi's.

My theory is that antifa planned to attack NRM from inside the counter demonstration if the police didn't stop them, hence why they got pissed off and claim the police were protecting them by not letting them walk into the counter demonstration and started to attack police instead.

There is also a historic reason of why the NRM choose to have the demonstration where they did, I can go into detail if anyone wants me to.

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People should have the right to demonstrate, as long as it’s legal and permission was given to the group by the mayor/council of the town or city or whatever. Unless the group is some sort of terrorist group then they should the right to rally. I don’t agree with far right ideology even though I’m right wing, still as long as the group won’t riot/become violent, I honestly don’t see any point complaining. Oh by the way the actual nazis were defeated in may 1945, the ones now are either neo nazis or white supremicists
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First, I looked them up. The term 'Nazi' is thrown around with such abandon nowadays I don't know if someone is actually a Nazi or if they are to the right of Noam Chomsky.

And they seem to be Neo-Nazis protesting the mass migration to their country. Can't say I blame them. I mean the Swedish police forces are so stretched with the crimes committed by these migrants that they have had to ignore cases of sexual assault just to deal with all the murders (source: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6776746).

But in theory Sweden is a free country so they should be able to say what they want and demonstrate to make their voices heard.
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"sadly allowed by police" no it is not sad it is fair even if distasteful. While not exactly in the realm of physics when it comes to politics a similar rule applies, for every action there will be equal and opposite reaction. If the Political left in the west and certainly in Europe [in this case Sweden] hadn't gone off the deep end then you wouldn't have large scale demonstrations by the other set of nutcases. Indeed the extreme political left is pushing people to the extreme political right.

On a side note it would be more accurate to label them fascists rather than Nazi's. While the German National Socialist Party was indeed Fascist in their political ideology the atrocities they committed were unique among records of any fascist state, they aimed for thought control and absolute obedience. To label someone or even a group as Nazi, is more damning than you probably realise.
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Rujikin wrote:

Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.


so sweden has an inept goverment, crushing inflation, massive economic depression, crippling war reparations, no air force, and a humiliating "peace" treaty designed to knock them back in to the stone age?????
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Rujikin wrote:

Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.


You appear to have no understanding of either Sweden or Germany pre WW2. If you did, you would laugh at what you wrote.
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Ravenstein wrote:

First, I looked them up. The term 'Nazi' is thrown around with such abandon nowadays I don't know if someone is actually a Nazi or if they are to the right of Noam Chomsky.

And they seem to be Neo-Nazis protesting the mass migration to their country. Can't say I blame them. I mean the Swedish police forces are so stretched with the crimes committed by these migrants that they have had to ignore cases of sexual assault just to deal with all the murders (source: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6776746).

But in theory Sweden is a free country so they should be able to say what they want and demonstrate to make their voices heard.


They were demonstrating for the killing of police officers, politicians they don't like, immigrants, people who disagree with them and disabled people, sounds pretty much like what german nazis before wwII. Only diff they never had the same type of resistance back then due to reasons such as the great depression.

If the left pushes people to the extreme right then ironically Sverige demokraterna or SD, sweden's most right wing political party condemned them and their actions and also criticized the police for allowing it. Oh and mind you they were breaking a shit load of swedish laws before, during and after their "demonstration". There's a diffrnace between being right wing, far right and a down right nazi.

And police not being able to handle crime isn't due to migrants, but rather because the current socialist government (socialdemokraterna) who got elected in 2014 have decreased salaries of police to the point most police simply say fuck it and get another job. It doesn't help that they also choose to give Dan Eliason the job as rikspolischef (police boss) who have a career in fucking up other swedish government agencies.
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