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Posted 10/2/17 , edited 10/2/17

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I think the biggest issue is the state of mental health in America right now. I don't know how we could fix all this shit that's going on but a more robust program for the mentally ill could help the issue. All I know is that we have a serious problem and we need to do absolutely anything to solve it.


While I'm generally in favor of stricter gun laws, you're probably correct. Alas, getting the government to spend more money on a social program is highly unlikely right now.
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Interesting his father was a bank robber who was at one point on the FBI most wanted list
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
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It's ok guys, trump'll say nothing is wrong and that gun control isn't needed!


It isn't needed. The man had a pilot's license, if he wanted to get casualties into the thousands he could have easily with a plane. Even without that, a semi through the crowd would've easily brought the death toll into the hundreds.
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HopexLight wrote:

It's ok guys, trump'll say nothing is wrong and that gun control isn't needed!


Gun control doesn't work. He had an automatic weapon that he purchased illegally. Gun control only takes weapons out of the hands of law-abiding citizens who purchase guns legally.
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Ya... so......

Who's fault is that? How the fuck does someone get in a highly populated event with a rifle?

They talk about all this security, but yet this happens.

Whatever, people have the right to have a gun right? Go ahead, it's their own fault. How do you let some kill and injure that many people? I bet you people who have been in war couldn't even hit that number, that's when you know it's a problem. Get your shit together, just get all your shit and take it, and get it together.
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Humms wrote:

Ya... so......

Who's fault is that? How the fuck does someone get in a highly populated event with a rifle?

They talk about all this security, but yet this happens.


From what I understand, he wasn't at the event itself, but fired from the window of a nearby hotel room.
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Humms wrote:

Ya... so......

Who's fault is that? How the fuck does someone get in a highly populated event with a rifle?

They talk about all this security, but yet this happens.

Whatever, people have the right to have a gun right? Go ahead, it's their own fault. How do you let some kill and injure that many people? I bet you people who have been in war couldn't even hit that number, that's when you know it's a problem. Get your shit together, just get all your shit and take it, and get it together.


From what I understand he wasn't at the event he was firing from his hotel room which was on the 25th floor
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HopexLight wrote:

It's ok guys, trump'll say nothing is wrong and that gun control isn't needed!


It isn't needed. The man had a pilot's license, if he wanted to get casualties into the thousands he could have easily with a plane. Even without that, a semi through the crowd would've easily brought the death toll into the hundreds.


Or maybe he would have done nothing. Just as there are psychological explanations for how people commit suicide, there are often explanations for how people commit murder. Fact is, you don't know what would have happened if this guy didn't have access to guns. All you know is that with guns he committed one of the most atrocious acts in the history of this country.
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Posted 10/2/17 , edited 10/2/17

captainsnowman wrote:

I think the biggest issue is the state of mental health in America right now. I don't know how we could fix all this shit that's going on but a more robust program for the mentally ill could help the issue. All I know is that we have a serious problem and we need to do absolutely anything to solve it.


Well, to be completely honest, we have a better grip on mental health than Japan does. The Japanese just refuse to believe that they have problems like everyone else on this rock.
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From what I am able to understand of the situation, there was not a whole lot people could do. To stop it, you needed a rifle on hand at the time, and be able to shoot from where the small amount of muzzle flare is coming from, and that is assuming many things, such as the gun being able to produce enough visible muzzle flare, getting a good shot off in a panicking crowd, from such a distance, and carrying a full sized rifle to a concert in the first place.

Best people could have done was run and pray they didn't get hit. The gunner had such a positional advantage that there was jack shit anyone could do about it once it started. Though for the most part, many were lucky, with only 500-so out of 22,000, that is only a 1 out of 44 chance of getting pegged, and still a 1 out of 5 chance of dying from it.

Though if there was an explosive rather then bullets, I could easily see the death toll being much higher in such a crowd.


Sorry if it seems like I don't care about all those people getting hurt. I really don't. But the situation itself is interesting in many ways.
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58 people. My God.
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58 people. My God.


That is sad news indeed. I heard over 500 people got hurt.. >.< We got to do something about those Guns..
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HopexLight wrote:

It's ok guys, trump'll say nothing is wrong and that gun control isn't needed!


It isn't needed. The man had a pilot's license, if he wanted to get casualties into the thousands he could have easily with a plane. Even without that, a semi through the crowd would've easily brought the death toll into the hundreds.


Having a pilot license doesn't mean you can fly a Boeing 737 into a building. You will have a small af plane that will probably kill less than this did.

Ofc that is thinking too hard, right?
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C'mon people with the gun control shit. A criminal wouldn't care about the laws, and would still find a way to purchase a gun illegally. Gun control only takes guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.
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Posted 10/2/17 , edited 10/2/17

Humms wrote:

Ya... so......

Who's fault is that? How the fuck does someone get in a highly populated event with a rifle?

They talk about all this security, but yet this happens.

Whatever, people have the right to have a gun right? Go ahead, it's their own fault. How do you let some kill and injure that many people? I bet you people who have been in war couldn't even hit that number, that's when you know it's a problem. Get your shit together, just get all your shit and take it, and get it together.


Security is an illusion. So drop the idea it works. Much like police it is retroactive. Even if he was at the check point, one to two security personnel ain't gonna stop this. They'll just be first casualties. Just like in the Florida shooting.

"In war" is a bad misnomer to throw this into. As I could find plenty of people who could rack even higher casualty rate, and even fight the SWAT team that raided. So yes, there is professionals that could exponentially do more damage than he did.

He was aiming into an area with 20,000+ people in tight confines. Does not take much, especially if he had the firearm mounted or just a means to brace it.

So yes, this is a tragedy, but don't throw stuff around that is opinion and carry it as its fact.
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