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I thought first episode was dreadful and I had hope for this show.

I'll still give it the 3 eps at the least, but just not feeling it right now.
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I don't think the beginning plotwise was bad, but it's really odd with their character designs. Its hard to take the rabbit seriously as a psycho killer when he looks so ridiculous, and we started out with an odd, but realistic tone and ended up with necromancy. Probably going to be a hot mess of a show.
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I watched the first episode and I give it a 4/10. All edge and no story makes for a very trash story. The episode starts with Inonoshi walking to the Juni Taisen building and gives no explanation whatsoever for 500k missing people, only that it goes across it like we the viewers know but we don't. I'm not a fan of the whole gather all 12 zodiacs in one room for lunch and discuss how everything is gonna work. Not a very good way to start things and comes across in my opinion that they ran out of time and couldn't be more creative in their approach? Its only episode 1 and we already got on info dump about the boars past, but we know nothing about her outside of her family. Also she is hurting herself just using two guns. In the flashbacks, she was way stronger when using hand to hand. The info dump on the first episode was completely not needed and just ate time up. I suppose you could see the boars death coming from a mile away. For a battle royale anime, there was nothing at all this episode that screamed battle royale. It was a talk fest and flashback fest. The combat that did occur was just some one sided anticlimatic bullshit that resulted in the "death" of the boar without her firing a single shot or getting the chance to defend themselves. I feel cheated. So far from what I have watched, it can hardly be called a battle royale anime. You got 12 zodiacs, but other than the boar we know nothing about them. If each episode we are gonna see a 12 minute flashback for every single one, then this anime has already failed. For an anime with such a big named cast, the start of Juuni Taisen is bland and falls flat right on itself. No creativity, no story, bad pacing, character info dumps with no natural or transitional explanations. All it has is edge, and edge without any form of substance is just edge. I will give this one more episode and then I am dropping this.
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Posted 10/4/17 , edited 10/5/17
I've nothing against trashy Battle Royale copycats, but despite all the blood and violence, there's a certain weight that seems to missing. Lot of talking and background flashbacks, but nothing to really empathize with or care about. I'll probably give it another episode or two, but the series needs to do more with the actual fights at hand rather than 20 minutes of flashbacks and 3 of fighting in the present.
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, and we started out with an odd, but realistic tone and ended up with necromancy. .


^^^ THIS Don't get me hyped for a steak and then serve me fish



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. For an anime with such a big named cast, the start of Juuni Taisen is bland and falls flat right on itself. No creativity, no story, bad pacing, character info dumps with no natural or transitional explanations. All it has is edge, and edge without any form of substance is just edge. I will give this one more episode and then I am dropping this.


It IS creative but it's the creativity of a 5 year old, "let's have a battle Royale of people representing the signs of the Zodiac, and we'll have them wear outfits to look like the signs and we'll give them little ticks like the animals and it will be real bloody and..." The only way I would watch this now is if they completely commit to their vision and the chicken girl fights by laying eggs and throwing them at people.
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Posted 10/5/17 , edited 10/6/17
Watched 1st episode with mate at work and we both loved it - gonna be one of those shows that you have no idea who comes out on top. Don't get the negativity but then the anime community are never happy as far as I can tell
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Posted 10/6/17 , edited 10/7/17
I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative. And that's not even getting into other good directing choices, like the smart use of dutch angles and body language.

Oh and of course the show looks great too. This first episode isn't going to set the world on fire with its presentation, but with its generous mix of stylish lighting, detailed characters and backgrounds, fantastic character designs and fluid animation, this is a feast for the eyes. Hell, even the cgi looked good. How often do you hear me saying that about an anime? Maybe it's because 2017 has starved me of good ol' fighting anime, but I am more than on board with this show so far.
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I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative.


Well for me that was the problem. You have this detailed engrossing story detailing Boar's life and training, she walks in like a boss with these big guns and then gets taken out by a guy in a speedo and bunny ears.. and I am sorry, this is also a problem I have with zombie shows, people make noise when they walk, especially headless corpses ambling over rubble. There is no way she could be snuck up on especially when we were shown in her training people trying and failing to sneak up on her. She knows there are 10 other people around, she's not going to be on her toes for them? At least make her be firing her guns so the noise from them can be drowning out the footsteps
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I loved the first episode. I love dark shit, I also love action packed fights. Put both those together and I'm one happy person. I'm just curious on how this is gonna play out as it's apparently 24 episodes.
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octorockandroll wrote:

I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative.


Well for me that was the problem. You have this detailed engrossing story detailing Boar's life and training, she walks in like a boss with these big guns and then gets taken out by a guy in a speedo and bunny ears.. and I am sorry, this is also a problem I have with zombie shows, people make noise when they walk, especially headless corpses ambling over rubble. There is no way she could be snuck up on especially when we were shown in her training people trying and failing to sneak up on her. She knows there are 10 other people around, she's not going to be on her toes for them? At least make her be firing her guns so the noise from them can be drowning out the footsteps


What if Snake just landed behind her after the floor exploded?
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octorockandroll wrote:

I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative. And that's not even getting into other good directing choices, like the smart use of dutch angles and body language.

Oh and of course the show looks great too. This first episode isn't going to set the world on fire with its presentation, but with its generous mix of stylish lighting, detailed characters and backgrounds, fantastic character designs and fluid animation, this is a feast for the eyes. Hell, even the cgi looked good. How often do you hear me saying that about an anime? Maybe it's because 2017 has starved me of good ol' fighting anime, but I am more than on board with this show so far.


For me the first episode is just lacking in weight in both emotion and fight choreography. It's clear from the get-go that the show is trying to set up Boar as a heel to make her defeat more satisfying, but without history with her opponent it's just one psychopath killing another. Similarly, her death scene felt so matter of fact that it felt more anti-climactic than anything else. Building character history is all fine and good, but it needs to equate to more than chalking up the body-count to have much of an impact.

*Edit: I could very well be wrong, and spending an entire episode Worf-effecting Boar was to build Rabbit as the main heel by the effect of his tactics feeling cheap. But it just wasn't particularly impressive for a first episode.

**Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac#Compatibility
Boar and snake are diametrically opposed to each other, I'm curious to see if the series continues with (and perhaps plays upon expectations of) that paradigm. Given that dog is diametrically opposed to dragon and rooster with rabbit, it wouldn't be surprising to see Rabbit snipe a kill or two yet again.
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It seems to me that what makes for a good story is having some sort of "hero" for a main character so you can cheer for them. If ALL of the characters are bad you have a tendency to just say "a plague on both your houses" (Shakespeare - Romeo and Juliet)
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qwueri wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative. And that's not even getting into other good directing choices, like the smart use of dutch angles and body language.

Oh and of course the show looks great too. This first episode isn't going to set the world on fire with its presentation, but with its generous mix of stylish lighting, detailed characters and backgrounds, fantastic character designs and fluid animation, this is a feast for the eyes. Hell, even the cgi looked good. How often do you hear me saying that about an anime? Maybe it's because 2017 has starved me of good ol' fighting anime, but I am more than on board with this show so far.


For me the first episode is just lacking in weight in both emotion and fight choreography. It's clear from the get-go that the show is trying to set up Boar as a heel to make her defeat more satisfying, but without history with her opponent it's just one psychopath killing another. Similarly, her death scene felt so matter of fact that it felt more anti-climactic than anything else. Building character history is all fine and good, but it needs to equate to more than chalking up the body-count to have much of an impact.

*Edit: I could very well be wrong, and spending an entire episode Worf-effecting Boar was to build Rabbit as the main heel by the effect of his tactics feeling cheap. But it just wasn't particularly impressive for a first episode.

**Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac#Compatibility
Boar and snake are diametrically opposed to each other, I'm curious to see if the series continues with (and perhaps plays upon expectations of) that paradigm. Given that dog is diametrically opposed to dragon and rooster with rabbit, it wouldn't be surprising to see Rabbit snipe a kill or two yet again.


Yeah, I can see the lack of emotional weight for sure (outside of the parts with Baor's sister) but that's kind of the point, since episode 1 focuses on Boar and Rabbit who are cold as fuck. To the episode's credit it does set up or at least hint at some emotional connections being established in the near future what with Team Monkey and the like.

I'm not sure I'm really ready to make a call either way on the show's fight choreography either. I mean on one hand, we didn't exactly get many memorable moves so far but on the other it is only episode one, and the only oppurtunity the show had to show choreography was a 10 second segment that took place in Boar's imagination so I'm not sure its really fair to make a call on fight choreography when the story barely had an oppurtunity for it. Then again, it is an adaptation of a light novel, which often have the worst fight choreography in anime... Then again gain, it is an adaptation of a Nisioisin series and those seem to always be an exception to the light novel choreography rule so idk...
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octorockandroll wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I don't really see what's turnung so many people off from this show. Sure, this sort of Highlander/Battle Royale style story has been done multiple times already, but this seems to be the best recent example of doing it well. Maybe it's just because of how horrible Fate Apocrypha was, but I was astounded by how much characterization the cast the first episode chose to focus on has been given. Be it through the intentionally slowed arrival of Boar, showing how she is both pompous and cautious or the brilliant reveal of Rabbit the direction of this episode struck me as being engaging and informative.


Well for me that was the problem. You have this detailed engrossing story detailing Boar's life and training, she walks in like a boss with these big guns and then gets taken out by a guy in a speedo and bunny ears.. and I am sorry, this is also a problem I have with zombie shows, people make noise when they walk, especially headless corpses ambling over rubble. There is no way she could be snuck up on especially when we were shown in her training people trying and failing to sneak up on her. She knows there are 10 other people around, she's not going to be on her toes for them? At least make her be firing her guns so the noise from them can be drowning out the footsteps


What if Snake just landed behind her after the floor exploded?


then she would have to be deaf and blind...

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Welp, episode 2 made me like the dog guy more but I wish he lasted longer...I think he got taken out by the Rooster girl near the end?

I'm not sure how I feel about the rat guy and monkey girl yet. It seems that monkey girl is more of a pacficist so I wouldn't be surprised if she goes down soon.

That ending gave me the chills. This show is like "Cliffhanger: The Anime" every week.

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