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Posted 10/4/17 , edited 10/4/17

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Why would america not stand for their national Anthem? Just think about it. They want america to look weak in the eyes of the enemy so they can take their focus off them.



There's a lot about America to not be proud about these days.

I'd say the people standing are fine with the way things are.

And the people kneeling understand things are not right, and imagine an America that could actually live up to its ideals.

Also, ironically if you think about it... kneeling has always been seen as a sign of more respect than standing. You kneel before royalty, and you kneel in church.


I think they are kneeling because it is ironic. Like "Oh yes my lords and masters, i humbly kneel to you... Even though I thought I was an american and free of rule by monarchy I realize times have changed and so I've gotta throw away some dignity and take a knee." We won our independence from a monarchy and built a democracy in its place to govern us, so kneeling signals a step back into our history. That is what I thought they were trying to say.
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Posted 10/4/17 , edited 10/4/17
Maybe they should stop playing the anthem before the game. It’s unnecessary anyway.
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I'll just leave this here:

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in my opinion it's more along the lines they aren't protesting anything other than Trump, of whom they are allowed, the same as the fans to boycott and trump to say what he say.

as for people who want to be cowards and hide in their locker room or take a knee that's their right to protest. unbeknown to them, thanks to a certain law that was passed sort of sneaky like, that anyone can be fired in the private sector (not government) for whatever reason and don't have to be told for what reason. I don't see that happening, but best of luck next year, let's not forget what happened to Tebow and he didn't even take a knee for protest, he did it to thank his god.
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I don't know if anyone said this, but when Trump his statement basically saying to get the people off the field or fire whoever was kneeling, that is actually against the constitution and free speech, which everyone is saying, so technically he broke the law, again, as he likes to do and doesn't get punished. This clown needs to go. He is "above law" apparently.
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All I see are rich men doing the bare minimum, mistaking their vague protest for more than it is, and basking in the attention. So you kneeled and got your picture taken. Congrats. No substance behind the arbitrary; "I don't like that thing!" Fortunately, I don't follow football, so I'm spared most of the melodrama.


EDIT: A birdy told me that participating during the national anthem is part of their contracts. Anyone know if that's true?
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The most noteworthy opinion I have about the entire situation is mild disgust at talk of forcing them not to protest the anthem.

You don't have to like it when people choose not to, but forcing everyone to pledge allegiance, or show deference to a symbol, anthem, etc. erodes the meaning of the act itself.

Nations cannot stand on empty words and hollow gestures. A "cure" like that would be worse than the ailment.
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Well first of all the "Bill of Rights" is the constitution, just the first 10 amendments to it.

Second, every time the NFL stretches a giant flag across the field, they're "disrespecting" the flag. The flag is supposed to be hung vertically never horizontally according to the flag code & law. Also wearing the flag as clothing, swimsuits, hats, ect., qualifies as "disrespecting" the flag according to the flag code. Also all you yahoos that fly the flag in less than pristine condition are supposed to burn those flags and get new ones or you're in violation of the flag code and disrespecting the flag.

Protesting during the national anthem isn't covered as disrespecting the flag.

Refusing to participate in the pledge of allegiance, & national anthem is protected free speech.

You don't have to like what the person is protesting or how they're protesting. As long as they aren't breaking any laws they are free to protest, you are also free to keep on walking by and ignore them.

And no where do our service members take an oath to protect the flag or national anthem. They take an oath to protect the constitution and country. The flag and anthem are transitory and subject to changes on the whim if desired. We only really have a flag for identification purposes.

Flag worship is more a post WW2 thing among some. It's easier to read than the constitution or a book.
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From my unbiased and philosophical perspective, it's not the fact that players are demonstrating against racial injustice and police brutality that is angering people; It's WHEN they are demonstrating, during a time when standing is not taboo. These are athletes who are quite unaffected by the things they are protesting, as well. So protesting about said issues when they make millions of dollars to play a sport seems rather irrelevant. At the social level, the only reason why Kaepernick started this was because he realizes that the NFL has millions, if not tens of millions watching daily. He is very smart for choosing when to demonstrate, I'll give him that.

I ain't no alt-right nut-job, btw Chose not to vote, didn't support Trump, yadda yadda. Just a normal centrist like most of the populace who hardly care about American political "rhetoric".
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I don't care if people want to kneel for the national anthem as a sign of protest, that's their right. Where my problem lies is with the people actually doing it. They're kneeling to protest SOCIAL INJUSTICE, before being paid millions to play a schoolyard game, hop in their lamborghinis, drive home to their million dollar mansions, and bang their super model wives/girlfriends.


That sounds to me like the true social injustice.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17

Cardamom_Ginger wrote:


EDIT: A birdy told me that participating during the national anthem is part of their contracts. Anyone know if that's true?


Not that I know of. The NFL doesn’t have an official policy regarding the anthem.
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AirMarshall wrote:

From my unbiased and philosophical perspective, it's not the fact that players are demonstrating against racial injustice and police brutality that is angering people; It's WHEN they are demonstrating, during a time when standing is not taboo. These are athletes who are quite unaffected by the things they are protesting, as well. So protesting about said issues when they make millions of dollars to play a sport seems rather irrelevant. At the social level, the only reason why Kaepernick started this was because he realizes that the NFL has millions, if not tens of millions watching daily. He is very smart for choosing when to demonstrate, I'll give him that.

I ain't no alt-right nut-job, btw Chose not to vote, didn't support Trump, yadda yadda. Just a normal centrist like most of the populace who hardly care about American political "rhetoric".


A lot of these athletes are black and grew up in less than wealthy positions (and even if they did, racial issues aren't limited to the poor), so I don't think it is really fair to act like they are completely divorced from the topic. Now that they have found success, isn't that an ideal position to speak out now that someone is actually willing to listen to their voice and they have a platform to speak out for those who are less fortunate?
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17
Why does everyone not want to acknowledge the fact that Kapernick did it mainly to draw attention to himself and his failing career. His pathetic attempt at self-aggrandizing backfired and he still has no NFL job. Rule one of protests, if you have to explain why you are doing something then everyone else can interpret your action how they want. The vast majority of America believes that you stand for the national anthem because it is respectful of the country and those that fought for it.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:
Not that I know of. The NFL doesn’t have an official policy regarding the anthem.


Hell, even the "tradition" of the players standing for the anthem in the NFL only dates back to 2007.
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Humms wrote:

oooo look at me I make millions of dollars, better take a knee

If you're in the military, you're fighting to take everyones resources. You don't fight for a country anymore. We have all settled our borders, we have all made it clear that we have what we have, but then you forget people don't think like that, they hate the white man, they hate Trump.

What are we fighting for now? To not have to pay for education since you're in the army. What does the army even represent without their firepower? Ya we get it, police officers don't die for their country either, or fire fighters. There are still terrorists in the world, Why do you think they want children to watch the Avengers? cause America has Heros.

This has nothing to do with Football. This all has a bigger plan you aren't seeing.

I'm being serious guys, you just cant comprehend

Why would america not stand for their national Anthem? Just think about it. They want america to look weak in the eyes of the enemy so they can take their focus off them.



You're hitting the right direction IMO but I don't think the NFL players who knee at the national anthem think of it to that detail, I doubt they have a plan or strategy, I bet the people who knee feel some injustice directed towards them or their ethnicity or something and don't feel the need to salute a country they don't feel the need to salute. I'm guessing they're thinking something like, "Well if America treats its people like this, then it's people don't have to respect it for jack shit."
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