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I don't care if people want to kneel for the national anthem as a sign of protest, that's their right. Where my problem lies is with the people actually doing it. They're kneeling to protest SOCIAL INJUSTICE, before being paid millions to play a schoolyard game, hop in their lamborghinis, drive home to their million dollar mansions, and bang their super model wives/girlfriends.


That sounds to me like the true social injustice.


I know, right? Cops should be able to kill anyone they want with impunity. And those uppity coloreds need to just stand up, shut-up, and be happy they are allowed to have as much as they already do.

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Meanwhile non Americans find the whole thing a big fuss over nothing. In the UK we don't have a flag culture like the USA. Most places don't even have the national flag hanging on their buildings. We don't have to sing the national anthem regularly at school. Most don't know the full thing including me. I do know all the words to the one I sang in the Caribbean growing up. When I got to the UK and tried to learn it I discovered everyone else was going "God save the queen, mumble mumble mumble...........................................................god save the queen!"

If there's a particular political figure that's disliked there are other ways to protest. In Lewes they burn effigies of political figures. Last year they included Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/world/europe/where-burning-effigies-not-just-guy-fawkess-is-part-of-the-fun.html


LEWES, England — Though it is never flattering to be burned in effigy, Donald J. Trump was in good company on Saturday when his image went up in flames not far from those of the British prime minister, Theresa May, and of a 17th-century pope.


It's coming close to that time again this year so he may end up being roasted again
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I'll post this here as I've said it many times, people who are for the anthems disagree with me and people who are against it obviously agree, but these are simply the facts:

When the military is out there holding a flag, it's a military ceremony. Any and all service members former and present are expected to treat it as such. A civilian not standing at the position of attention during this ceremony is technically disrespecting the military. The term "Disrespecting those who gave their lives" is technically correct, and also incorrect. They are disrespecting the military as a whole but it's not really targeted to any specific branch or member of the military.

Now the actual level of disrespect is minimal and will vary from person to person, but even in larger official military ceremonies it's not completely unheard of to see stuff like this happening (usually in this case it's a lack of knowledge, or laziness of a civilian or family member)

I will say that any service member who has an issue with it however look real hard and themselves. The majority of every service member has at least one time in their career ditched a 1700 flag retreat. Or they didn't call attention to the building and stand while the flag was going off. Or they conveniently didn't hear the flag going off in their car so they didn't stop their vehicle and pull over to salute.

Yes, it's disrespectful to the military, but not in an egregious sort of way, and it's a level of disrespect mostly every service member has committed at least one time in their career.

However that's only if the military is present (Which they are at every NFL game, but not every sporting event) if they aren't there, it's not an official military ceremony so it's not really disrespectful to the military, at least officially. People have different beliefs what the flag and anthem means to them and you can't really say that they're wrong.
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Of all the anti-protest arguments I've heard, I find "they're rich so they can't complain" to be the most ridiculous.
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Source: Nielsen Media Research; 2015-17 NFL regular seasons through Week 4; Live+Same Day, nationally-televised broadcasts only (CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN – Excluding NFL Network).

Trump was WRONG (Not to say what the players that were protesting and where they were protesting were right) to call for players to be fired but the free market doesn't care about who is wrong necessarily. Your actions and speech normally have consequences and an NFL viewership drop might just be one of those consequences. You'll have to wait and see if the change is permanent in coming weeks.
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This is what I think I know… am I correct?

Colin Kapernick said at the beginning "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

With that being said, I want people to understand how much our children look up to players in the NFL. Our young impressionable children look up to players as if they are Superheroes. Those superheroes are kneeling during the national anthem because they taking a stand and will not show pride in our flag or country. The result is those same superheroes are teaching our children to show disrespect to our flag and country. In my eyes they are damaging our children deeply in ways nobody talks about. I believe Colin also wore socks that depicted police as pigs. Do we really want our children looking down on police as pigs? How can these players possible think that what they are doing will help anything??
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Just take the camera off them during the anthem, problem solved.
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Protesting police brutality by not standing for the flag is stupid. One of the reasons police brutality is bad is because victims of police brutality have their rights as American citizens trampled upon. The flag is a symbol of our country and thus of the rights we hold dear. What the protesters should claim is that they want America to be more American, which is something the entire country can stand behind. Not standing for the flag alienates patriotic Americans of all stripes.
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Canute wrote:
Not standing for the flag alienates patriotic Americans of all stripes.


Except, you know, members of the military. Given that kneeling is an army tradition and that's where it originated with the NFL protests.

But hey, keep buying the "I Stand For The Flag" t-shirts ( made in China ) because the 5 time draft dodger who shits on military veterans and attacks Gold Star families told you too. >.>

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Patriotic practices are not mandatory. Standing up to for the national anthem is a choice, and it is protected under freedom of speech. Supreme Court has already ruled on this, by the way. Doesn't matter if you think its disrespectful. I think white supremacists are disrespectful yet their hate speech is protected all the same. Why should people choosing not to stand for the anthem be any different? It's our God-given and Constitutionally-protected right to dissent. Period, the end, class dismissed.

Personally rather than @#$% on people who choose not to stand for the flag how about we make this country worth standing for? Imagine having to go about your daily life while flinching and being nervous of every uniformed police officer and every squad car you pass by, despite having done nothing against the law. Imagine having to pray that you merely survive getting pulled over for a minor traffic violation, let alone avoid arrest. Black people don't have to imagine it. It's their life. They have a right to be upset about it. And these NFL players, they've made it to a point where the eyes of the country are on them. Some of them have come from neighborhoods and backgrounds and families that have been struggling, and while they themselves are doing well, their families and friends continue to struggle with poverty, drugs, and gangs. For some of them football is literally the only thing keeping them off the streets and out of the gangs or out of jail. And even the ones who are doing well for themselves, making an honest living, they still get treated like scum by police. (Not all police, mind you, but a large enough fraction of them to make it an institutional problem and not an individual problem). They want justice for themselves and for all the people suffering from the lack of law enforcement oversight and abuse of force, but rather than advocating for cop-killings in revenge they're using their platforms as NFL players to try and draw attention to the issue, in a manner that is peaceful if not necessarily appreciated. But you know what? Who gives a fuck? It's their freedom of speech. You can dislike it all you want. Hell, you're free to say you think its wrong, cause that's protected speech too, even if it makes you look like an idiot. But you can't force them to stand for the anthem, so rather than @#$%ing on them and telling them they should, why don't you put your heads together and FIX THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM RE: POLICE BRUTALITY, and give these people a REASON to stand for the anthem?

The whole controversy is stupid as fuck and it proves what I've been thinking this whole time but hate to admit: America wasn't really that great to begin with, and it's getting worse. Which sucks because I was born and raised here, and I love my country in spite of its flaws. But just because I love my country does not mean I'm willing to ignore these problems. Patriotism to me means making the country worthy of standing when the national anthem plays, for all people.
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I guess it was a big deal yesterday down here in Miami when the Dolphins played. A lot of police officers refused to do volunteer security duty for the game. As a way for them to protest NFL players kneeling. This is really getting out of hand.
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I guess it was a big deal yesterday down here in Miami when the Dolphins played. A lot of police officers refused to do volunteer security duty for the game. As a way for them to protest NFL players kneeling. This is really getting out of hand.


Wait, what? You do police work to keep people safe, not to spite people. I'm not saying that cops have to put in extra unpaid hours to do security at a sports game, but if they go out of their way to let everyone know that it's because they don't like a fraction of the people they would otherwise be protecting then they're only justifying the animosity these protesters feel.
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Posted 10/23/17 , edited 10/23/17
Why Kapernick did it is commendable. If the rest are doing it for the same reason they too should be commended. If they are a shot athlete looking for attention or using it as a way to thumb their nose at Trump it's pathetic.
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