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Post Reply Enough is enough. The mass shootings has gone too far.
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Posted 10/7/17

lundking wrote:

Growing up, gun's feed my family without being able to supplement our home with hunting. We wouldn't have any meat, or if we had it wouldn't have been much. Guns can be to much for some people but that doesn't mean that the whole should suffer because of the few.


I don't think anyone has a problem with guns for hunting or protection. But this guy modified a rifle to pretty much make it into a fucking machine gun. Nobody is going to suffer without that.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/25/17

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Khaltazar wrote:

My solution to the mass shooting problem is the media. The media needs to STOP airing news like this. People won't become copy-cats if the media doesn't give them their 15 minutes of fame. These people are suicidal, but they want to go down with a bang and be known for something even if it is horrible. The media is a horrible plague on modern society in my opinion. .


Now, how do you place limits on the media to stop these things without violating their constitutional rights?

I agree that the media does play a part to some extent, but it isn't solely responsible. There is no silver bullet.


I didn't mean to imply that we should force the media to stop with some law. If the media had a moral compass to not air such things, it would likely prevent the majority of mentally ill people from getting their 15 minutes of fame. I do agree, it won't stop them all though. People expect the government to stop attacks like these, but there is nothing they can do to put a stop to them 100%. The government can try their best and things still may not change. Criminals break the law, so creating laws to stop criminals is an exercise in futility is my viewpoint.
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I think it's safe to say that it's not about guns, but rather mental health.
This country loves skirting this issue, and attempting to band-aid the symptoms of the disease, because to admit that our society is fundamentally flawed & sick is probably too disconcerting and inconvenient.
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Mogeko-tan wrote:

I think it's safe to say that it's not about guns, but rather mental health.
This country loves skirting this issue, and attempting to band-aid the symptoms of the disease, because to admit that our society is fundamentally flawed & sick is probably too disconcerting and inconvenient.


I've already posted a few times about this subject, and while our mental health system in this country is severely lacking, full mental health reform would do little to actually remedy violence. A small fraction of violence is committed by those with diagnosed mental illness and little link has been found between mental illness and violence. While mass shootings tend to be committed by those with mental illnesses proportionally more than the general public, those with mental illnesses don't come close to being a majority and even if they did, the manifestations of their illness often make it difficult to actually get them into the mental health treatment system.

I've said it a few times, but there is no silver bullet. Just as you cannot point to guns and say "here's your problem", you can't point to mental illness or any other factor and think you've solved the issue. The issue is multifaceted and should be treated as such. Yes, we should improve our mental health system, but even if we were to magically cure everyone of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression, violence would only go down by about 4% (assuming none of the cured people ever committed a crime).
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Consider this:

We are constantly told there are 300 million guns in civilian hands in the USA. However, that number has been used for a long time. Sure, you'll have weapons that get retired, but gun buying exploded during the Obama administration, and the number used for total guns didn't budge. So, I've seen some estimates (which should be given serious consideration, but taken with a grain of salt), that the actual number is probably north of 400 million, and might even be over 600 million.

Whatever the number, you will never confiscate anywhere close to all those guns. The criminals and crazies won't give them up. Which means? Only the law-abiding sane gun owners will give up their guns...which does nothing to stop these events.

Bump stocks: Approved, twice, by the Obama administration's ATF, it looks like we'll get those banned, which I don't have a problem with. But anyone with gun knowledge will be able to make one at home. The inventor did it in 1/1/2 hours with a block of wood and duct tape. Again, the criminals and the crazies won't be stopped.

The 2nd Amendment was written by men who had won the Revolutionary War because they had access to the same military type weapons that the British army did. Their biggest fear was that the centralized government they would create would become tyrannical. They WANTED citizens to have access to military type weapons. An example of that was the Battle of Bunker Hill (so-named despite the battle taking place on Breed's Hill). The colonials slaughtered the attacking British force, easily winning a lopsided battle, until they ran low on ammo. At that point, the British won, because they had a military weapon the colonial militia did not have: the ring bayonet. The colonial militia was routed.

So, oh, yeah, Second Amendment.

Also, be aware of the skewing of figures on gun violence. For example, the NY TImes just put up some numbers, causing some to comment about it.

One problem: It included gun suicides in that number. So, while most people thought the number meant guns used against others, it included suicides as well, badly skewing the numbers people thought they were looking at.

Smuggling: We can't stop illegal drugs now, we have illegals across the border all the time, even today, although the flow of illegals has been reduced. Do you seriously think that the Democrats are going to support legislation that would be needed to stop illegal guns from being smuggled in, knowing that it would also stop illegal aliens from coming in?

We have mental health, morality and criminal justice system problem, not a gun problem. Think about it: 300-600+ million guns in the country. If guns were really the problem, this would be happening every week.
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Mass shootings need to stop right now.


No they don't! We need them to continue, because of reasons.

Honestly, do you think this is somehow a point of contention?
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CCTDaily wrote:

No more deaths. No more injuries. What happened in Las Vegas this past Sunday was disgusting, evil, vile, hateful, insane. Mass shootings need to stop right now. America needs to start talking about its gun problem. We need to stop these mass shootings from happening again. The judge need to give the suspect a death sentence. We need to find a way to keep mass shootings from happening again.


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This solution of yours is too vague. Essentially, "We should stop gun violence and mass murder by stopping them! No more!" Just saying.

The title is also unintentionally funny, as if just one mass shooting is not too much. Hopefully, I am not too mean spirited.
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Given the ridiculous number of mass shootings you have. (more than any other country not engaged in civil war) The US does have some kind of unique problem that it refuses to address. What that problem actually is, what the solutions would be they are yours to find, you own this.
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Taking guns away from people won't solve the problem since the vast majority of gun owners are not criminals or radicals. The ideology of martyrdom and radicalism needs to be put into the spotlight and the politicians still refuse to come to a solution on that issue. Prioritizing votes and power over the well being of the people, no matter the issue. Remember the attack in France. Who needs guns when the guy can just mow people down with a giant truck. The ideology isn't just restricted to ISIS or whatever narrative one might latch onto. The core issue is the government's lack of action and inability to root out the radical groups and bring law enforcement directly to them. Any gun law can be exploited or worked around. That's just what criminals do best. The anonymity of the internet has greatly aided radical groups in creating "lone wolfs". The variables are many
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The numbers just don't line up with an "out of control gun problem." Statistically speaking gun violence is rare and mass shootings are even more rare. The nationwide 24/7 media coverage makes people believe they happen much more often. It'll make you feel as if you can't get away from them. It'll also make you feel and think it's like the wild west. You gotta realize 320 million people go to public places with lots of big crowds 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

We have on average 90 million gun owners with an estimated 300 million guns in this country. Every year we have around 8600 FLAT out gun homicides. A number that has steadily but slowly been decreasing the past decade, despite gun ownership going up. Which disproves the whole "more guns more crime" nonsense. Notice how I say "flat out" this is because they factor in all types of gun deaths solely to use the highest number possible. Whilst technically true they always say it in a way that makes you think that it's all from mass shootings and murder. This is incorrect and biased propaganda. That 30,000 number factors in gun homicides, mass shootings (which is apart of homicides,) accidental deaths, and lawful self defense killings and most importantly suicides. Which makes up the majority of that 30k number (70%.) This means every year 0.009% of our gun owner population kills someone with their gun. That's being GENEROUS and assuming it's one victim per one shooter mind you. So do you honestly think passing laws that'll impact a literal 99% because of the actions of less than a literal 1% will do anything? Do you think it's logical, rational or fair?

The proposal to ban 'assault rifles' is even more comical. Considering handguns account for most murders but they are just used in most mass shootings, which makes up a small percentage of the annual gun homicide rate (the only number that actually matters.) The kicker is hands/feet, blunt objects and knives (three separate categories) all kill more people per year than anything deemed an 'assault weapon.' So people want the weapon type that accounts for the LEAST amount of deaths banned......in order to save lives? Riiight, gotcha...The only difference between a semi-automatic rifle and an 'assault weapon' is mostly just attachments like pistol grips, forend grips,etc all in which don't actually make the gun more deadly, just easy to handle. So if the ban went through you'd still technically have 'assault rifles' they just wouldn't look scary and 'military.' It's always mind blowing how little anti-gunners actually know about firearms..

Mental health is more to blame than guns solely going by just the numbers. When you have far less than 1% of a group of 90 million in a country of 320 million using their guns to kill that's not a gun problem. These same people would have driven a truck into a crowd or went to home depot to buy everything they need to make a bomb. We're seeing this more frequently overseas. Considering every single one of these people had obvious mental health issues. Then the media making them famous. People want to know everything about the shooter. How often he poops, what he had for breakfast,etc. This is all too appealing for someone sick in the head. Our mental health database is a JOKE. Make our mental health system better, make background checks expand to the mental health database and that'll do far more for reducing these shootings than silly gun bans (that'll end up starting a bloody civil war mind you..) ever will.

Let's keep the most important thing in mind:

"Cops are racist, murderous barbarians. Only they should have guns"
"Our government is now run by racist, fascist, nazi, homophobic, evil bigots. Let's give them the power to disarm or restrict everyone" -2017 left leaning people, which is mostly the ones calling for gun control. Do you think they realize the LOL worthiness of all of this and yes that's ultimately what it's come down to.



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I have a solution !


If anything they need to sell people more guns, it's the bullets you need to take away.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do...... think about that for a second. Amazon can sell people guns, but not the bullets, or military level rifles, it's genius, do you know how much money they can make If they get into arms dealing? Then the government's can work with Amazon and put a GPS TRACKER on all the guns without people knowing, and if they tamper with it, Boom! You get arrested.

Then just take away the right to distribute bullets to people from any retailer that does now, and you purchase bullets straight from the government for a higher price. This way they know who can potentially kill people without losing track in combination with no possible way for an unmarked gun coming from an unknown supplier.

It's fucking genius I tell you! Anyone can buy a gun, but nobody can sell it since it is identified to the original owner, and nobody can buy bullets unless they buy a gun documented to the original owner (themselves), and in combination with how the government goes about supplying ammunition.

For all the terrorists, pirates, gorrila warfare. Just slowly cancel them out from civilization, this is why we have military

Come on now, it's not like they want to continue having terrorists in the world right?...... right?

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Vegas shooter had access to airplanes, big trucks, and explosives.
If he hadn't used guns, he could have killed thousands.
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