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Post Reply Enough is enough. The mass shootings has gone too far.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17

Vieille_Garde wrote:

Vegas shooter had access to airplanes, big trucks, and explosives.
If he hadn't used guns, he could have killed thousands.


so why choose guns then? was the shooter just stupid or unimaginative?
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Humms wrote:

I have a solution !


If anything they need to sell people more guns, it's the bullets you need to take away.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do...... think about that for a second. Amazon can sell people guns, but not the bullets, or military level rifles, it's genius, do you know how much money they can make If they get into arms dealing? Then the government's can work with Amazon and put a GPS TRACKER on all the guns without people knowing, and if they tamper with it, Boom! You get arrested.

Then just take away the right to distribute bullets to people from any retailer that does now, and you purchase bullets straight from the government for a higher price. This way they know who can potentially kill people without losing track in combination with no possible way for an unmarked gun coming from an unknown supplier.

It's fucking genius I tell you! Anyone can buy a gun, but nobody can sell it since it is identified to the original owner, and nobody can buy bullets unless they buy a gun documented to the original owner (themselves), and in combination with how the government goes about supplying ammunition.

For all the terrorists, pirates, gorrila warfare. Just slowly cancel them out from civilization, this is why we have military

Come on now, it's not like they want to continue having terrorists in the world right?...... right?





Did you think about the fact that I can make my own bullets? Anyone can do it
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guns are much more fun. although I prefer a blade so you can see the eyes fade as they die.
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I just hate the argument that thinks making guns illegal would solve all worldwide violence issues. The fact that guns ever existed in the first place is a problem, but they're here and we know how to make them so we gotta deal with them. Making guns illegal gives citizens no protection from the people that use guns ILLEGALLY. What people don't realize is that people will still illegally own guns if guns were illegal, look at fucking Paris, they have so many shootings and no one is allowed to own a fucking gun there. There's the fucking problem, no one has a gun to defend themselves, so they all get shot down by other people with guns. And if you stop the manufacturing of guns, that doesn't stop the illegal manufacturing of guns, the illegal part will ALWAYS exist that's just reality. Drug laws are so strict in the U.S and the U.S has so many drug issues, especially with illegal drugs. Look at Canada, laws on drugs are basically non-existent compared to the U.S but the drug crisis in Canada is also non-existent compared to the U.S. Fucking funny, isn't it?
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FullaLead wrote:


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Did you think about the fact that I can make my own bullets? Anyone can do it


Good luck with that once everything is implemented and sequered, good luck with that. They will know when it has been fired, and if you have purchased ammunition legally

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The numbers just don't line up with an "out of control gun problem." Statistically speaking gun violence is rare and mass shootings are even more rare. The nationwide 24/7 media coverage makes people believe they happen much more often. It'll make you feel as if you can't get away from them. It'll also make you feel and think it's like the wild west. You gotta realize 320 million people go to public places with lots of big crowds 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

We have on average 90 million gun owners with an estimated 300 million guns in this country. Every year we have around 8600 FLAT out gun homicides. A number that has steadily but slowly been decreasing the past decade, despite gun ownership going up. Which disproves the whole "more guns more crime" nonsense. Notice how I say "flat out" this is because they factor in all types of gun deaths solely to use the highest number possible. Whilst technically true they always say it in a way that makes you think that it's all from mass shootings and murder. This is incorrect and biased propaganda. That 30,000 number factors in gun homicides, mass shootings (which is apart of homicides,) accidental deaths, and lawful self defense killings and most importantly suicides. Which makes up the majority of that 30k number (70%.) This means every year 0.009% of our gun owner population kills someone with their gun. That's being GENEROUS and assuming it's one victim per one shooter mind you. So do you honestly think passing laws that'll impact a literal 99% because of the actions of less than a literal 1% will do anything? Do you think it's logical, rational or fair?

The proposal to ban 'assault rifles' is even more comical. Considering handguns account for most murders but they are just used in most mass shootings, which makes up a small percentage of the annual gun homicide rate (the only number that actually matters.) The kicker is hands/feet, blunt objects and knives (three separate categories) all kill more people per year than anything deemed an 'assault weapon.' So people want the weapon type that accounts for the LEAST amount of deaths banned......in order to save lives? Riiight, gotcha...The only difference between a semi-automatic rifle and an 'assault weapon' is mostly just attachments like pistol grips, forend grips,etc all in which don't actually make the gun more deadly, just easy to handle. So if the ban went through you'd still technically have 'assault rifles' they just wouldn't look scary and 'military.' It's always mind blowing how little anti-gunners actually know about firearms..

Mental health is more to blame than guns solely going by just the numbers. When you have far less than 1% of a group of 90 million in a country of 320 million using their guns to kill that's not a gun problem. These same people would have driven a truck into a crowd or went to home depot to buy everything they need to make a bomb. We're seeing this more frequently overseas. Considering every single one of these people had obvious mental health issues. Then the media making them famous. People want to know everything about the shooter. How often he poops, what he had for breakfast,etc. This is all too appealing for someone sick in the head. Our mental health database is a JOKE. Make our mental health system better, make background checks expand to the mental health database and that'll do far more for reducing these shootings than silly gun bans (that'll end up starting a bloody civil war mind you..) ever will.


1) Its a bit hard to brush off having a significantly higher homicide rate than most other highly developed nations as "not a big deal". The USA's homicide rate is about three times higher than that of Canada and France, over four times higher than that of Sweden, and 5-8 times higher than UK, Germany, Spain and Ireland.

2) You are a bit wrong to say that ownership of guns has been going up. It actually has been going down since, like, the '70s. What has been going up is the number of guns per gun owner. Basically, instead of a lot of individuals having a few guns each, a few individuals have a ton of guns which skews the numbers if you are looking at a raw "guns/person" calculation. Instead, if you look at data regarding the percentage of households with a gun, you would see a steady decline.

3) I've responded to the mental health point several times so I will just repost my last post here:

"I've already posted a few times about this subject, and while our mental health system in this country is severely lacking, full mental health reform would do little to actually remedy violence. A small fraction of violence is committed by those with diagnosed mental illness and little link has been found between mental illness and violence. While mass shootings tend to be committed by those with mental illnesses proportionally more than the general public, those with mental illnesses don't come close to being a majority and even if they did, the manifestations of their illness often make it difficult to actually get them into the mental health treatment system.

I've said it a few times, but there is no silver bullet. Just as you cannot point to guns and say "here's your problem", you can't point to mental illness or any other factor and think you've solved the issue. The issue is multifaceted and should be treated as such. Yes, we should improve our mental health system, but even if we were to magically cure everyone of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression, violence would only go down by about 4% (assuming none of the cured people ever committed a crime)."


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What people don't realize is that people will still illegally own guns if guns were illegal, look at fucking Paris, they have so many shootings and no one is allowed to own a fucking gun there. There's the fucking problem, no one has a gun to defend themselves, so they all get shot down by other people with guns.


Since you told me to, I decided to take a look at Paris:

The average homicide rate in Paris is about 1.6/100,000.
The average homicide rate in the USA is about 4.9/100,000. But if you look at cities in the USA, those rates rise to some pretty astronomical heights, getting up to 59.3/100,000.
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I agree that mass shootings are terrible and I wish they would stop too. However, there are a lot issues that need to be fixed for that to happen and if mass shootings were stopped there would probably be car bombs or other murder methods that show up. There will always be people in the world that don't respect the lives of others and I'm not sure how that issue can be solved...I don't think it actually can. Personally I think it would be great if:

1) violence wasn't glorified in media, it's used as a quick hook to get people to pay attention or have a power fantasy. Actual real violence is sick, tragic and devastating. It can cause trauma for years afterward and lead to physical, emotional and psychological damage (PTSD for example).
2) weapons were less easily available or were better monitored. Though anything can be a weapon, most people don't put that much thought into creating weapons so it would at least lessen violence overall I think if pre-made weapons were harder to own.
3) Better mental health care and community support. A community that teaches respect for the lives of others and shows that respect themselves. It always seems that gunmen are in a bad community or lone wolves.
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Guns are not the issue, I'm not going to put much more of my energy into needing to repeat this. Especially with people I don't know online.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17

Humms wrote:


FullaLead wrote:


Humms wrote:

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Did you think about the fact that I can make my own bullets? Anyone can do it


Good luck with that once everything is implemented and sequered, good luck with that. They will know when it has been fired, and if you have purchased ammunition legally



Not if they appropriate the brass from other uses, then form it, and load it themselves. You can raise the difficulty, but not while there is places like "Darra Adam Khel" that will come into existence.
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If you are going to identify a problem, you should also provide a solution
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This is anime land so we need a Rinne rebirth and then give him the death sentence.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17

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nanikore2 wrote:

What actually needs to be done something about are those bump stocks.

Last time I shot a rifle at a range, I don't recall having an urge to have that thing on full autofire and disintegrate the target.

People don't need bump stocks for sport, people don't need bump stock for defense, either. Semi-auto fire should be enough. No need for coupla hundred rounds per minute.


spot on.

Sadly people seem to be against it screaming MAH FREEDOMS and SECOND AMENDMENT

..it's like people don't know the difference between banning guns full stop and banning an accessory that isn't needed.


The problem is that people don't realize that semi auto is a downgrade for a fully automatic weapon. You just need to tamper with the gun to make it full auto and anyone with a little bit of determination can do that. If you have gun knowledge you can use a lathe to make the pieces/cast them. If you don't you can just make something to pull the trigger automatically which is far easier and impossible to prevent.

I'm all for banning the stocks make it less accessible for people but don't fool yourselves into thinking that will be the end of mass shootings. Even if you managed to take away every single weapon then people would move to bombs which are also really easy to make in a house and with drones around easy to drop.

You don't fight terrorism with guns. You don't fight it with laws. You fight it with education and social/economical stability. I would rather push for the inclusion of logic and debate in every instance of education than for a ban of all weapons any day of my life.
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Posted 10/7/17 , edited 10/7/17

Mhdamaster wrote:social/economical stability.


wasn't the guy responsible for mass-shooting a multi-millionaire though? he had several houses and made high-stakes gambling.
money clearly wasn't an issue for him.

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