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I have a confession to make
I liked it... after the first bit was over
I actually really liked Nayuta. I feel a bit sad for her though.

There is some promise here. Cute characters, I believe what will end up as a sweet story, decent art and character designs.

Time will tell.
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Well, after the first minute and a half, this anime utterly and completely redeemed itself, and then some, with the last 5 minutes of this episode, which shows a great deal of promise.



Hopefully it keeps this up. I genuinely do like this episode now. Perhaps I am overestimating those 5 minutes, however simple they were, but I found them to be a great setup, if anything else.
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I was not prepared for the opening scene. I found it funny how they explained the omelette, that Alice could just magically lay eggs (my brain immediately jumped to 'omelette made of human ova').


I thought them being human ova was what was implied, not magicly laid chicken eggs.


Well, maybe at first, but when he was explaining to the editor he mentioned she "laid" the eggs, which suggests something akin to chicken eggs. Although, it all leaves me wondering how one would make an omelette out of ova... Can they be scrambled like normal eggs?



But when he was explaining it behind him in the background appeared to be human eggs ( shiny pink single cells).

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I enjoyed that first super creepy bit quite a lot. I thought it was hilarious.
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Yeah...

Figured I'd try this, since Hajimete no Gal actually turned out to be good, but... I kind of figured, and... yeah...

I did enjoy the editor yelling "rejected!" - in an anime where what he rejected is literally the first scene. And honestly, the first scene was too tame. It didn't have to be hentai to be stronger; that could easily have been menstrual fluid and not ketchup. Then at least wiping his face with her underwear would've flowed better. That the disturbing part was merely the sister laying eggs and pumping breastmilk reveals the show's innocence. People want to see what's easy, what they already might imagine, but they're afraid of going too deep. I seem to recall Araragi saying something of the sort to Kanbaru; bulk Costco lolis aren't Lolita.

I also enjoyed Nayu, who stole the show. I would have been happier if she had just been trying to freak out the main character (who was unremarkable enough that I don't remember his name) and wasn't also obsessed with him, but it does seem like she can be both. And I don't mind that. Indeed, the latter might be even more dangerous.

Well, I don't think this show has the ability to do what I'd want it to do. I'll watch the next episode, but unless Nayu is truly unhinged I won't watch more than that.
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Yeah...

Figured I'd try this, since Hajimete no Gal actually turned out to be good, but... I kind of figured, and... yeah...

I did enjoy the editor yelling "rejected!" - in an anime where what he rejected is literally the first scene. And honestly, the first scene was too tame. It didn't have to be hentai to be stronger; that could easily have been menstrual fluid and not ketchup. Then at least wiping his face with her underwear would've flowed better. That the disturbing part was merely the sister laying eggs and pumping breastmilk reveals the show's innocence. People want to see what's easy, what they already might imagine, but they're afraid of going too deep. I seem to recall Araragi saying something of the sort to Kanbaru; bulk Costco lolis aren't Lolita.

I also enjoyed Nayu, who stole the show. I would have been happier if she had just been trying to freak out the main character (who was unremarkable enough that I don't remember his name) and wasn't also obsessed with him, but it does seem like she can be both. And I don't mind that. Indeed, the latter might be even more dangerous.

Well, I don't think this show has the ability to do what I'd want it to do. I'll watch the next episode, but unless Nayu is truly unhinged I won't watch more than that.


I was hoping it was just an "act", an impromptu consent that plays out much like a sexual harassing tease of sorts, which Itsuki doesn't dissuade because he is truly disgusted with Nayu, and Nayu knows this. Or more accurately, an intimate "in joke" between the two.

I also felt the first scene would benefit more with absurdity to humor the audience, than atypical fetishes to frighten them, and considering this is in line with my Itsuki's fetishes, it does make a bit of sense, while not portraying him as a complete deviant.

(I thought those eggs were...something else, and though "Oh crap, isn't that cannibalism? I hope they meant the menstrual fluids!")

Oh, I misunderstood you. I would have thought drinking menstrual fluids to be also an act of...never mind. Let us just say we have differing standards on what is a fetish and what is obviously a joke.
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Thank you for making this clean and innocent show about "brotherly" love and friendship creepy and dirty.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


auroraloose wrote:

Yeah...

Figured I'd try this, since Hajimete no Gal actually turned out to be good, but... I kind of figured, and... yeah...

I did enjoy the editor yelling "rejected!" - in an anime where what he rejected is literally the first scene. And honestly, the first scene was too tame. It didn't have to be hentai to be stronger; that could easily have been menstrual fluid and not ketchup. Then at least wiping his face with her underwear would've flowed better. That the disturbing part was merely the sister laying eggs and pumping breastmilk reveals the show's innocence. People want to see what's easy, what they already might imagine, but they're afraid of going too deep. I seem to recall Araragi saying something of the sort to Kanbaru; bulk Costco lolis aren't Lolita.

I also enjoyed Nayu, who stole the show. I would have been happier if she had just been trying to freak out the main character (who was unremarkable enough that I don't remember his name) and wasn't also obsessed with him, but it does seem like she can be both. And I don't mind that. Indeed, the latter might be even more dangerous.

Well, I don't think this show has the ability to do what I'd want it to do. I'll watch the next episode, but unless Nayu is truly unhinged I won't watch more than that.


I was hoping it was just an "act", an impromptu consent that plays out much like a sexual harassing tease of sorts, which Itsuki doesn't dissuade because he is truly disgusted with Nayu, and Nayu knows this. Or more accurately, an intimate "in joke" between the two.

I also felt the first scene would benefit more with absurdity to humor the audience, than atypical fetishes to frighten them, and considering this is in line with my Itsuki's fetishes, it does make a bit of sense, while not portraying him as a complete deviant.

(I thought those eggs were...something else, and though "Oh crap, isn't that cannibalism? I hope they meant the menstrual fluids!")

Oh, I misunderstood you. I would have thought drinking menstrual fluids to be also an act of...never mind. Let us just say we have differing standards on what is a fetish and what is obviously a joke.


Really I just felt like the show was overselling how prurient the opening scene was. I found it more perfunctory than shocking. Also, I took it less as a reflection of Itsuki and more as a hook for the show itself. Menstrual fluid omelet art would work better for the latter but make a lot less sense as one of Itsuki's fetishes, so I think you're right that it would probably have been better for it to go for a more absurdist angle, rather than something more disturbing like I suggested. All the same, I do feel like the opening scene was intended more as a hook for viewers than an actual reflection of Itsuki. But I'm not sure what makes the most sense.

Also, I think kkmenchi is right: the images of the eggs in the background were too spherical to be from a chicken; those were most likely supposed to be human egg cells, though the omelet itself didn't reflect that. And I can't deny that all of that is pretty absurd. Still, that the scene was intended to be shocking, when I think it was actually kind of lame, doesn't give me hope for the rest of the show.

What you say about Itsuki and Nayu also makes sense, though I get the feeling that Itsuki isn't yet comfortable with Nayu's teasing. And that's actually the part that I liked: because while Nayu's behavior is clearly meant to titillate the audience, that's not it's sole function. She does get to have some agency, in that she's presented as deliberately trying to fluster Itsuki. And Itsuki is actually flusterable: he doesn't seem to be pulling a Tomoya from Saekano, as he hasn't exactly friendzoned Nayu. At least not yet. The thing is, this first episode did a lot to invest everyone's hopes in Nayu, when the show is probably going to end up being about Chihiro. And I don't see the show doing a good job with that. But I have given it one more episode; maybe I'll have to give it two or three.

As always, thanks for the conversation.
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I'm gonna watch this, just so I can follow PV's comments each week
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auroraloose wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


auroraloose wrote:

Yeah...

Figured I'd try this, since Hajimete no Gal actually turned out to be good, but... I kind of figured, and... yeah...

I did enjoy the editor yelling "rejected!" - in an anime where what he rejected is literally the first scene. And honestly, the first scene was too tame. It didn't have to be hentai to be stronger; that could easily have been menstrual fluid and not ketchup. Then at least wiping his face with her underwear would've flowed better. That the disturbing part was merely the sister laying eggs and pumping breastmilk reveals the show's innocence. People want to see what's easy, what they already might imagine, but they're afraid of going too deep. I seem to recall Araragi saying something of the sort to Kanbaru; bulk Costco lolis aren't Lolita.

I also enjoyed Nayu, who stole the show. I would have been happier if she had just been trying to freak out the main character (who was unremarkable enough that I don't remember his name) and wasn't also obsessed with him, but it does seem like she can be both. And I don't mind that. Indeed, the latter might be even more dangerous.

Well, I don't think this show has the ability to do what I'd want it to do. I'll watch the next episode, but unless Nayu is truly unhinged I won't watch more than that.


I was hoping it was just an "act", an impromptu consent that plays out much like a sexual harassing tease of sorts, which Itsuki doesn't dissuade because he is truly disgusted with Nayu, and Nayu knows this. Or more accurately, an intimate "in joke" between the two.

I also felt the first scene would benefit more with absurdity to humor the audience, than atypical fetishes to frighten them, and considering this is in line with my Itsuki's fetishes, it does make a bit of sense, while not portraying him as a complete deviant.

(I thought those eggs were...something else, and though "Oh crap, isn't that cannibalism? I hope they meant the menstrual fluids!")

Oh, I misunderstood you. I would have thought drinking menstrual fluids to be also an act of...never mind. Let us just say we have differing standards on what is a fetish and what is obviously a joke.


Really I just felt like the show was overselling how prurient the opening scene was. I found it more perfunctory than shocking. Also, I took it less as a reflection of Itsuki and more as a hook for the show itself. Menstrual fluid omelet art would work better for the latter but make a lot less sense as one of Itsuki's fetishes, so I think you're right that it would probably have been better for it to go for a more absurdist angle, rather than something more disturbing like I suggested. All the same, I do feel like the opening scene was intended more as a hook for viewers than an actual reflection of Itsuki. But I'm not sure what makes the most sense.

Also, I think kkmenchi is right: the images of the eggs in the background were too spherical to be from a chicken; those were most likely supposed to be human egg cells, though the omelet itself didn't reflect that. And I can't deny that all of that is pretty absurd. Still, that the scene was intended to be shocking, when I think it was actually kind of lame, doesn't give me hope for the rest of the show.

What you say about Itsuki and Nayu also makes sense, though I get the feeling that Itsuki isn't yet comfortable with Nayu's teasing. And that's actually the part that I liked: because while Nayu's behavior is clearly meant to titillate the audience, that's not it's sole function. She does get to have some agency, in that she's presented as deliberately trying to fluster Itsuki. And Itsuki is actually flusterable: he doesn't seem to be pulling a Tomoya from Saekano, as he hasn't exactly friendzoned Nayu. At least not yet. The thing is, this first episode did a lot to invest everyone's hopes in Nayu, when the show is probably going to end up being about Chihiro. And I don't see the show doing a good job with that. But I have given it one more episode; maybe I'll have to give it two or three.

As always, thanks for the conversation.


Indeed, but I felt it may have been done for consistency's sake, if anything, considering it is Itsuki's vision for chapter two. I agree that it is suppose to hook viewers in, to let is slowly dawn on them "This cannot be the story". I admit, I cannot comprehend it in any other way than humor, perhaps of the shock variety to highlight the excessive nature, by having them second guess if this is the anime they are viewing.

What helps is not the sexual nature of the displayed fetishes, it seems, but the not so dead heroine from before, who is offhandedly refer to as of some great importance in a previous event the audience has no knowledge of, alerting them that something is amiss.

And yeah, your interpretation is most likely correct. The two may treat it as an "act", or something appearing more juvenile than it actually is, but upon further inspection this explanation seems as farcical as Sekai's makeout sessions with Makoto in School Days. Specifically, in which one party or both are not quite sure of the "real" nature of this teasing. Based on many previous anime I have seen, Nayu may say such sexual remarks in a humorous way to convey affection, but not in a way to convey a sexual desire, or at least as overt as she makes it out to be, with Itsuki being flustered as to her intentions, perhaps.

(Ex. I flirt with a female, and make a humorous jab at how she should take a shower with me, to which she replies "Yes", leaving me stunned and red in the face, as I was not quite serious, but it isn't that I do not find her attractive.)

I believe it is a common trope, where typically a female character appears lascivious if but to compensate for her discomfort on sexual matters, especially when the issue of performing them comes up, then is bashful when it comes to it. (Yamada from B H Gata Kei may fit, Iunno)

Also, I will throw a fit if the show turns to Chihiro, and based on the spoilers, I have no high hopes. Also, Haganai, the author's previous work, ended horribly.

Truth be told, my mental faculties dim at night, so I may not have understood you quite well. I am sorry.
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Thank you for making this clean and innocent show about "brotherly" love and friendship creepy and dirty.


I like your humor a lot. And I do mean it. This was a clever response.

I do think that even a show like this is fairly innocent, especially compared to something like Lolita. Thinking about it, though, I feel like there's way too much to discuss to go through this in sufficient detail.
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Indeed, but I felt it may have been done for consistency's sake, if anything, considering it is Itsuki's vision for chapter two. I agree that it is suppose to hook viewers in, to let is slowly dawn on them "This cannot be the story". I admit, I cannot comprehend it in any other way than humor, perhaps of the shock variety to highlight the excessive nature, by having them second guess if this is the anime they are viewing.

What helps is not the sexual nature of the displayed fetishes, it seems, but the not so dead heroine from before, who is offhandedly refer to as of some great importance in a previous event the audience has no knowledge of, alerting them that something is amiss.

And yeah, your interpretation is most likely correct. The two may treat it as an "act", or something appearing more juvenile than it actually is, but upon further inspection this explanation seems as farcical as Sekai's makeout sessions with Makoto in School Days. Specifically, in which one party or both are not quite sure of the "real" nature of this teasing. Based on many previous anime I have seen, Nayu may say such sexual remarks in a humorous way to convey affection, but not in a way to convey a sexual desire, or at least as overt as she makes it out to be, with Itsuki being flustered as to her intentions, perhaps.

(Ex. I flirt with a female, and make a humorous jab at how she should take a shower with me, to which she replies "Yes", leaving me stunned and red in the face, as I was not quite serious, but it isn't that I do not find her attractive.)

I believe it is a common trope, where typically a female character appears lascivious if but to compensate for her discomfort on sexual matters, especially when the issue of performing them comes up, then is bashful when it comes to it. (Yamada from B H Gata Kei may fit, Iunno)

Also, I will throw a fit if the show turns to Chihiro, and based on the spoilers, I have no high hopes. Also, Haganai, the author's previous work, ended horribly.

Truth be told, my mental faculties dim at night, so I may not have understood you quite well. I am sorry.


I wouldn't worry; it seems to me like you understood. It's not like I make complete sense in the first place anyway.

I get the "pull a fast one" interpretation of the first scene - and that was clearly one of its functions - but that doesn't feel like it's the whole story. And yeah, the dead heroine was absolutely there to signal that this was some sort of dream or story within the anime. I didn't catch that; nice.
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Gotta admit, I almost dropped this show within the first 10 seconds with the naked imouto, until I realized it was so over-the-top it had (better) be self-deprecating. And it appears to be a beat-for-beat take-down of Ero-manga Sensei, so there's hope for it yet. At the very least I'm curious to see how the MC went from being flattered that "dick"-girl liked him to being in their current weird sexual-harassment and rejection banter.
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At the very least I'm curious to see how the MC went from being flattered that "dick"-girl liked him to being in their current weird sexual-harassment and rejection banter.


That's the hook that has me coming back. They seemed to be genuinely moved by each other's writing, but now they have this weird dynamic. This is the basic storytelling competence that was glaringly lacking in Eromanga.
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But when he was explaining it behind him in the background appeared to be human eggs ( shiny pink single cells).


I'll admit, I missed the ova-themed background the first time through.

I may have been focused on Itsuki's explanation (that she "laid" the eggs), and assumed it implied some type of shelled eggs. But now that I think about it, I don't think fish eggs (which I believe would be "laid") are considered shelled, so I guess she could have "laid" her ova and cooked them up.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I found it funny either way.
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