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Post Reply Why ‘Indigenous Peoples’ Day’ Is Far Worse Than Columbus Day
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http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/09/indigenous-peoples-day-far-worse-columbus-day/

For all the talk from the angry and indigenous about European slavery, it turns out that pre-Columbian America was virtually one huge slave camp. According to “Slavery and Native Americans in British North America and the United States: 1600 to 1865,” by Tony Seybert, “Most Native American tribal groups practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America.”

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The Aztecs, on the other hand, were more into the “volume, volume, VOLUME” approach to ritual human slaughter. At the re-consecration of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs performed a mass human sacrifice of an estimated 80,000 enslaved captives in four days.

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According to an eyewitness account of “indigenous peoples” at work—in this case, the Iroquois in 1642, as observed by the Rev. Father Barthelemy Vimont’s “The Jesuit Relations”—captives had their fingers cut off, were forced to set each other on fire, had their skinned stripped off and, in one captured warrior’s case, “the torture continued throughout the night, building to a fervor, finally ending at sunrise by cutting his scalp open, forcing sand into the wound, and dragging his mutilated body around the camp. When they had finished, the Iroquois carved up and ate parts of his body.”

The whole thing is a bunch of ignorant bigotry, IMO. It really has nothing to do with the actions and the morality thereof, but rather the skin color and identity of the groups. Columbus was a white guy, the natives were darker skinned. Hence, Columbus is evil. As the bigots in academia will tell you "Whiteness is oppression".

I will celebrate Columbus Day. Will you?

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Also, because it's WRONG:
FDR didn't establish Columbus Day to honor Imperialist Genocidal Oppressors of Saintly Native People, he established it to commemorate and pay tribute to Italian-Americans in the US, after their "favorite son", when good immigrant citizens were facing suspicion and persecution before the war.
Anyone who disagrees, feel free to hold an Indigenous People's Day parade in your own old Jersey neighborhood.

(Seriously, it's as wishfully and goofily misinformed of its facts as that "Racist Dr. Seuss" thing...Hoo-boy.)
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I just don't see the point of celebrating the fact that someone discovered something that million of people already knew about
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karatecowboy wrote:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/09/indigenous-peoples-day-far-worse-columbus-day/

For all the talk from the angry and indigenous about European slavery, it turns out that pre-Columbian America was virtually one huge slave camp. According to “Slavery and Native Americans in British North America and the United States: 1600 to 1865,” by Tony Seybert, “Most Native American tribal groups practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America.”

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The Aztecs, on the other hand, were more into the “volume, volume, VOLUME” approach to ritual human slaughter. At the re-consecration of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs performed a mass human sacrifice of an estimated 80,000 enslaved captives in four days.

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According to an eyewitness account of “indigenous peoples” at work—in this case, the Iroquois in 1642, as observed by the Rev. Father Barthelemy Vimont’s “The Jesuit Relations”—captives had their fingers cut off, were forced to set each other on fire, had their skinned stripped off and, in one captured warrior’s case, “the torture continued throughout the night, building to a fervor, finally ending at sunrise by cutting his scalp open, forcing sand into the wound, and dragging his mutilated body around the camp. When they had finished, the Iroquois carved up and ate parts of his body.”

The whole thing is a bunch of ignorant bigotry, IMO. It really has nothing to do with the actions and the morality thereof, but rather the skin color and identity of the groups. Columbus was a white guy, the natives were darker skinned. Hence, Columbus is evil. As the bigots in academia will tell you "Whiteness is oppression".

I will celebrate Columbus Day. Will you?



Nope. We call it thanksgiving and have Turkey with our families. Winter comes sooner up here.

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I thought it was just a joke well you can never tell these days...
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I will celebrate neither.

Besides, Leif Erikson day is where it really is at. The vikings were the OG Europeans to discover America.

Granted, they only stayed for a short while, before even they were like 'fuck Canada!' and left or died. The natives weren't exactly easy nor worthwhile to deal with, let alone northern Canada without those nice warm currents that northern Europe has.

They were also OG trolls. Naming the icy island Greenland, and the green island Iceland, and sold the maps, knowing which was the better land.
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I cannot claim to have ever celebrated "Columbus Day".
Not out of any disrespect or respect, just that my school did not have a day off for it.
This is the same county did not take off for "President's Day", "Memorial Day", "Veteran's Day", or "Martin Luther King Jr. Day".
We had off for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I do believe that you have a fair amount of false equivalency in your originating post, however.
That's quite normal for people nowadays, so it doesn't necessarily equate to anything at the end of the day.
Stating information that is subjective to one's narrative is quite common in the modern atmosphere.
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Columbus Day is fading away slowly. All for the better.

Who want's to celebrate a genocidal maniac and horrible navigator?
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most native forgave and got over the whole "white man" horrors of the past. we even got revenge, so why not. and since we don't have an official month like all the other races, guess we have to piggy back off a day to honor yet another white man. but, yes, natives had it just as bad if not worse the black man, we deserve that month. until then we should remember all cultures which have come and gone, not hate on them, but learn. history teaches us plenty.
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I don't usually concern myself with politics on this site but I'll give it a try here. Starting off, I have no real investment in Columbus Day. Keep it, don't, doesn't matter. If we were going to celebrate a day for the European discovery of the America's, I would rather pick someone who actually contributed in a proactive manner like Amerigo Vespucci then I would someone who didn't know what he was doing and luckily stumbled on the Americas. Also, Columbus wasn't the nicest guy.

However; I need to caution sources in discussions on topics like Native Americans. There is a lot of prejudice that influences books and articles as well as a lot of pseudo science used to justify rationalize certain things. I'm not going to comment George Franklin's book cause I haven't had a chance to review it and form an opinion on it's veracity, however, the Federalist is not really known as an objective source on race or history. I would take anything from them with a grain of salt.

Also, I would be careful to justify genocide, or the celebration of people who commit genocide and murder by listing the historic faults of the peoples who were wiped out. It leads to very bad conclusions. For example, a Neo-Nazi might argue "Why is Hitler considered evil, the Jews committed genocide against other peoples as well like the Canaanites. People are hate Hitler cause he was German." This is absolutely terrible reasoning. Hitler was evil, the Holocaust was wrong, and it doesn't matter at all what people of his victim's nation may have done. Nothing justifies it. Similarly, while I'm sure that nobody cried over the fall of the Aztec Empire, The genocide of hundreds of nations and tens of millions of people is never justifiable.
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I don't think anyone really "celebrates" Columbus Day anyway. I mean, when was the last time you went to a Columbus Day Party? We mostly just use it as an excuse to take a day off of work.

Edit- But leave it to theKarateCreep to justify genocide in one one thread and then defend the "right to live" for a clump of cells in another.
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DrunkKanti wrote:

I don't think anyone really "celebrates" Columbus Day anyway. I mean, when was the last time you went to a Columbus Day Party? We mostly just use it as an excuse to take a day off of work.


And maybe a parade, or stuff, as long as you're not a policeman, vet or civic group that has to be stuck marching in it.
Granted, it's no St. Patrick's Day, but NY's still gets a crowd.
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Attack the historical practices of certain tribes to justify the wholesale annihilation and/or shunting the survivors off into infertile spits of land? And claim the whole thing is just about skin color? Classy as fuck, man.
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I swear I didn't know this was a real thing, I just thought it was a south park joke.
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uncletim wrote:

I just don't see the point of celebrating the fact that someone discovered something that million of people already knew about


Because Congress would have to scrap the holiday themselves. But seeing how they have far more important matters to deal with. That just isn't going to happen any time soon. And since so many people get the day off from school and work, there is little incentive to push for the removal.
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