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The Aztecs, on the other hand, were more into the “volume, volume, VOLUME” approach to ritual human slaughter. At the re-consecration of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs performed a mass human sacrifice of an estimated 80,000 enslaved captives in four days.



You know what they say, if a little is good, more must be better.

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The whole thing is a bunch of ignorant bigotry, IMO.


That's exactly what I think of your stupid article.
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cdarklock wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:
The whole thing is a bunch of ignorant bigotry, IMO.


That's exactly what I think of your stupid article.


well.......i mean the aztecs did perform ritual sacrafice, sometimes in absolutely staggering numbers
as for the part about the Iroquois, my immediate reaction was to be very skeptical since this account was coming from a Missionary however from the admittedly shallow amount of digging i did online tonight it appears to be legit
I'm far from a expert on this subject, but from my laymans perspective here, nothing he said really seems to be objectively false
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well.......i mean the aztecs did perform ritual sacrafice, sometimes in absolutely staggering numbers


Given the history of the Nazis, should Oktoberfest be discontinued? I mean, certainly almost no Germans are Nazis today, but at the time almost all Germans were Nazis. Of course, being a Nazi did not mean you were complicit in - or even aware of - the things the Nazis were doing at Auschwitz and Dachau and Bergen-Belsen.

So, you know, because not all indigenous people were in tribes that practiced human sacrifice or committed wartime atrocities... and certainly no tribes are doing those things now... and it was several centuries earlier than Hitler's reign?

Maybe they deserve the same level of consideration. Maybe we can say "but three-day weekend" about indigenous people's day, just like we say "but lots of beer" about Oktoberfest.

We could proibably do the same thing with Christopher Columbus, and just say "but three-day weekend." Because while Columbus did do some shitty things, they're not the only things he did, and he's not the only one who did them.

Screeching and bitching about what the holiday is called is ignorant bullshit, no matter what side of that you're on.
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If Columbus was the first European to discover this continent, then I wouldn't see any issue with celebrating him for doing so.

But he was not, so it's spreading misinformation.
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Isn't this just "Tu Quoque", or the hypocrisy fallacy; where essentially, one attacks the moral standing of the person making the claim, then addressing the claim itself?

I understand your point I suppose, as I too find it annoying when someone is holier than thou without any self awareness, but two wrongs don't make a right, nor does a considerably larger wrong make the original one any less "worst".

A wrong of theirs doesn't make our wrongs any less horrendous.

Examples of similar arguments:

"A murderer saying murder is wrong? What a load of bollocks. Murder is not wrong." (Hypocrisy)

"Hey, just because I choose to feed you once a day, there are people in North Korea who go weeks without food. Be grateful!" (Comparative)

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Leif Erickson day is clearly the superior holiday.
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To me Columbus Day was just another day off from school (back when I went to school), nothing more and nothing less.
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Attack the historical practices of certain tribes to justify the wholesale annihilation and/or shunting the survivors off into infertile spits of land? And claim the whole thing is just about skin color? Classy as fuck, man.


How does anything he said attempt to justify anything. He simply stated that the past of some Indigenous tribes were just as bad if not worse then the misdeeds done by our forefathers. So why replace one holiday with another. Cute how you say "historical practices" vs "evil shit" basically. Seriously, thanks for the good laugh.
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qwueri wrote:

Attack the historical practices of certain tribes to justify the wholesale annihilation and/or shunting the survivors off into infertile spits of land? And claim the whole thing is just about skin color? Classy as fuck, man.


How does anything he said attempt to justify anything. He simply stated that the past of some Indigenous tribes were just as bad if not worse then the misdeeds done by our forefathers. So why replace one holiday with another. Cute how you say "historical practices" vs "evil shit" basically. Seriously, thanks for the good laugh.


"But they were just as bad" in response to indigenous people protesting what happened to their ancestors is an attempt at justification. Or at the very least an attempt to shut down protests. Stay classy.
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qwueri wrote:

Attack the historical practices of certain tribes to justify the wholesale annihilation and/or shunting the survivors off into infertile spits of land? And claim the whole thing is just about skin color? Classy as fuck, man.


How does anything he said attempt to justify anything. He simply stated that the past of some Indigenous tribes were just as bad if not worse then the misdeeds done by our forefathers. So why replace one holiday with another. Cute how you say "historical practices" vs "evil shit" basically. Seriously, thanks for the good laugh.


"But they were just as bad" in response to indigenous people protesting what happened to their ancestors is an attempt at justification. Or at the very least an attempt to shut down protests. Stay classy.


So indigenous people did the same shit and worse, but the people are protesting the holiday because of these same types of action that were actually done by both parties. Pointing out the ridiculousness of the hypocrisy by showing the comparison is not an attempt at justification for either party. Your logic is EXTREMELY flawed.
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Why would anybody in present day have to justify anything that happened so long ago, all those people that committed said actions are dead. And none of us were there for it. But such actions were not solely committed by the ancestors of just whites, or just native americans, or just Africans, or just Europeans. Shit like that happened everywhere in every nation's past at some point or another. But now, present day I think its obvious who the only people that are still punished and judged for the sins of their ancestors are. Yes, lets continue the nonsense and make more strife and more hate in the world by being hung up on shit none of us had anything to do with. Makes total sense. GG
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So indigenous people did the same shit and worse, but the people are protesting the holiday because of these same types of action that were actually done by both parties. Pointing out the ridiculousness of the hypocrisy by showing the comparison is not an attempt at justification for either party. Your logic is EXTREMELY flawed.


Yeah, trying to assassinate the character of the ancestors of protestors through a few examples clearly means said ancestors were just as bad as the dudes who took killed them or drove them off their land. Clearly not an attempt at justification at all.


a :to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable

trying to justify his selfish behavior

I shouldn't have to justify myself to them.

justify the ways of God to man —John Milton

b (1) :to show to have had a sufficient legal reason
(2) :to qualify (oneself) as a surety (see surety 3) by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/justify

How flawed >_>
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TenzenShadow wrote:

So indigenous people did the same shit and worse, but the people are protesting the holiday because of these same types of action that were actually done by both parties. Pointing out the ridiculousness of the hypocrisy by showing the comparison is not an attempt at justification for either party. Your logic is EXTREMELY flawed.


Yeah, trying to assassinate the character of the ancestors of protestors through a few examples clearly means said ancestors were just as bad as the dudes who took killed them or drove them off their land. Clearly not an attempt at justification at all.


a :to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable

trying to justify his selfish behavior

I shouldn't have to justify myself to them.

justify the ways of God to man —John Milton

b (1) :to show to have had a sufficient legal reason
(2) :to qualify (oneself) as a surety (see surety 3) by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/justify

How flawed >_>


Are you serious? Did you really just copy paste the definition of justify as an argument to that lmao. According to your definition the OP would have to have said this...

"The Indigenous people also committed horrendous acts against others and enslaved people, therefore what happened to them was fine and our ancestors did nothing wrong."

Is that really how you read the OP here? or did you simply not read it and assume this ridiculousness? Have you just completely abandoned reality?

Please turn off the auto-leftist responses and try looking at something with some form of objectivity.
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