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Just finished this show. First of all I hate Studio Gonzo and the animation for this was awful however given the subject matter and tone of the show it somehow oddly fit (though I still really hated those Suessian laughing blue things). While the hikikomori/NEET term is used a lot in anime it's usually a former condition of a character now living in another world or having been rescued from it or turned into a "cute" trait. This show actually follows that character while staying mired in that condition and the few other characters someone who never leaves their apartment actually manages to interact with. I found this show and it's characters oddly compelling, usually in anime you get gorgeous or perfect people who just happen to have some kind of flaw so they can interact with the loser MC, not here ALL the characters are just as bad off as the MC but that is a good thing as it actually makes them more believable and sympathetic, I found myself rooting for everyone especially Misaki. The slow reveal of her backstory and relationship with Sato is very well done. While some of the stuff in this is a little over the top (especially the two/three episodes dealing with suicide though that was probably to lighten the mood) it handles everything really well and never makes what are really boring and depressing people IRL turn the show into a boring depressing sad fest. The ending, while not story book, fit with the rather realistic tone the whole show had and was IMO pretty satisfying. There wasn't really a moral to the story more of pragmatic look at what the inevitable outcome of the hikikomori lifestyle with some philosophical musings about life in general along the way. I highly recommend this ( and for me to recommend a Gonzo show you know it has to be really good as I avoid that studio like the plague), especially if you're looking for something different than the usual, shonen, moe, harem etc stuff.
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If anyone loves the anime read the novel as i plan to they cut out a lot for well......reasons.....it involved drugs and other shit that was well really not good :/

Lolita themes in the novel are much higher etc.

Was to make it more friendly and they didn't relate to the story but yeah novel is apparently much darker in that sense.
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If anyone loves the anime read the novel as i plan to they cut out a lot for well......reasons.....it involved drugs and other shit that was well really not good :/

Lolita themes in the novel are much higher etc.

Was to make it more friendly and they didn't relate to the story but yeah novel is apparently much darker in that sense.


Huh seems with all his paranoid "visions" that would be unnecessary lol Lolita themes between him and Misaki? She is younger (4 maybe 5-6 years at the most) but her looking down on him and the parental approval on both sides makes that kind of moot.

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I love this anime. It's number 4 of my all time favorites.

I might have to read the novel. Dark is good sometimes, if done well.

As for rooting for characters, obviously Misaki is not the person to cheer for. Sato, kinda. Yamazaki definitely.
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Great anime seen it 500 times
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I love this anime. It's number 4 of my all time favorites.

I might have to read the novel. Dark is good sometimes, if done well.

As for rooting for characters, obviously Misaki is not the person to cheer for. Sato, kinda. Yamazaki definitely.


What do you mean? I rooted for all of them, I actually felt really bad for Yamazaki as he actually worked really hard for his dream and had to give it all up. Him purposely breaking it off with the seiyuu girl was brutal. His life at home may work out but I imagined he'd always have those "what if' doubts in the back of his mind.
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Ahh thank you KKmenchi for making this thread. My apologies I have been working 16hr days and haven't even gotten online till now.. but I need to get a few hours of sleep before I have to head back in. I would like to continue thoughts/discussion this weekend when I am not drained of life energy lol.
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Just finished this show. First of all I hate Studio Gonzo and the animation for this was awful however given the subject matter and tone of the show it somehow oddly fit (though I still really hated those Suessian laughing blue things). While the hikikomori/NEET term is used a lot in anime it's usually a former condition of a character now living in another world or having been rescued from it or turned into a "cute" trait. This show actually follows that character while staying mired in that condition and the few other characters someone who never leaves their apartment actually manages to interact with. I found this show and it's characters oddly compelling, usually in anime you get gorgeous or perfect people who just happen to have some kind of flaw so they can interact with the loser MC, not here ALL the characters are just as bad off as the MC but that is a good thing as it actually makes them more believable and sympathetic, I found myself rooting for everyone especially Misaki. The slow reveal of her backstory and relationship with Sato is very well done. While some of the stuff in this is a little over the top (especially the two/three episodes dealing with suicide though that was probably to lighten the mood) it handles everything really well and never makes what are really boring and depressing people IRL turn the show into a boring depressing sad fest. The ending, while not story book, fit with the rather realistic tone the whole show had and was IMO pretty satisfying. There wasn't really a moral to the story more of pragmatic look at what the inevitable outcome of the hikikomori lifestyle with some philosophical musings about life in general along the way. I highly recommend this ( and for me to recommend a Gonzo show you know it has to be really good as I avoid that studio like the plague), especially if you're looking for something different than the usual, shonen, moe, harem etc stuff.


I agree there is not alot put out by Gonzo studios that I have rated higher then 5/10. However NHK I found not so much enjoyable(as that might come off as sadistic) but rather compelling and perhaps to some extent inspiring.

To start I would like to say I felt Tatsuhiro Satou's character was a bit overly done. Though I think this was intentional for a comical effect. At times his almost fanatical obsession with certain things blinds him to what is really going on around him. To an extent I would wager the same is true for most people. Albeit not with such vigor and passion lol. Though his "go with the flow" attitude at times seemed out of character. Such as the aforementioned suicide episodes. He never asked what kind of meeting it was, nor did he find their quite and abrasive attitudes to be a red flag. Once he did figure it out it seemed like he just went with it without so much as a wimper(which seemed to defy any logic or reasoning). Overall I am glad someone like Misaki Nakahara took the time be there for him, and at times help him with practical needs(food).

Misaki-chan I found to be a bit of a mixed bag. While I admire her unwavering loyalty to Satou-san throughout the show. By the shows end I cant help but feel disgusted by her motives, of which she never repents. In the anime she never says her age(though in the beginning when Satou-sanmakes a wide guess she agree's), so its a bit hard to grasp any large age difference. Though I got the impression Satou-san was at least 5-6yrs older so thats not a huge difference from a western perspective, though would be slightly taboo in Japan. For the most part I felt Misaki-chan was the most enjoyable of all the characters. She was the warm, comforting voice of the show. Albeit with a bit of disgusting side. Points for effort for the cat-girl outfit to cheer up Satou-san. I have to give credit to any girl who would run through town looking like that to cheer up a friend.

The ending felt a bit off. I wasn't sure if I should assume they will be life long friends or if their feelings for each other were going to/are developing. Though either way the two compliment each others personality. This show felt like it was heavy/dark but I think the author did a fantastic job keeping the show from becoming too deranged or depressing. I'm curious as to how his obsession with NHK began. I mean we see in one of the last years of his school he hung out with an conspiracy fanatic. But Satou-san just didn't strike me as the type to really buy into it. Then again I am not the author thats just my opinion. Also why was he always conversing with the appliances? I mean not even imaginary people... he was talking to appliances lol.

I cant help but feel like hikikomori is more prevalent then we all would like to think. When I go out and about people dont talk to each other. When they do, they seem to avoid eye contact and many prefer texting to talking. Same goes for restaurants, many people go as a group but just stare at their phones or tablets. It would seem the world feels less comfortable talking or even being around actual people. That said, this show has something that everyone can take from it.
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The ending felt a bit off. I wasn't sure if I should assume they will be life long friends or if their feelings for each other were going to/are developing. Though either way the two compliment each others personality. This show felt like it was heavy/dark but I think the author did a fantastic job keeping the show from becoming too deranged or depressing. I'm curious as to how his obsession with NHK began. I mean we see in one of the last years of his school he hung out with an conspiracy fanatic. But Satou-san just didn't strike me as the type to really buy into it. Then again I am not the author thats just my opinion. Also why was he always conversing with the appliances? I mean not even imaginary people... he was talking to appliances lol.


To be precise, the author of the novel had nothing to do with that stuff you mentioned. He created a character whose outlook on life is much more hopeless, and the story really turns out to be a lot more deranged and depressing. Many of the scenes and arcs in the anime that dealt with other social issues, such as the pyramid scheme arc or the suicide party arc, simply do not exist in the novel. Also, there were some events that existed in both the anime and novel in which GONZO changed some of the details or placed a spin on the interpretation to make the anime feel less deranged and more uplifting. I also read that the author had next to no involvement in the production of the anime on account of being a hikikomori himself, so all that stuff you mentioned would have to be attributed to the author(s) of those scenes in the anime.

The talking appliances were the result of Satou taking hallucinogens. As was already mentioned above, the anime omitted that particular detail.
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Misaki-chan I found to be a bit of a mixed bag. While I admire her unwavering loyalty to Satou-san throughout the show. By the shows end I cant help but feel disgusted by her motives, of which she never repents. In the anime she never says her age(though in the beginning when Satou-sanmakes a wide guess she agree's), so its a bit hard to grasp any large age difference. Though I got the impression Satou-san was at least 5-6yrs older so thats not a huge difference from a western perspective, though would be slightly taboo in Japan. For the most part I felt Misaki-chan was the most enjoyable of all the characters. She was the warm, comforting voice of the show. Albeit with a bit of disgusting side. Points for effort for the cat-girl outfit to cheer up Satou-san. I have to give credit to any girl who would run through town looking like that to cheer up a friend.
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Really disgustied? Misaki was much more tragic than Satou ( she actually had a shitty life whereas he created his own shitty life), and she mentioned multiple times the only reason for her interest in him was that she thought he was even worse off than her. That she would actually do this in the hopes she could get him to fall in love with her shows how bad off she was. Judging by the direction the anime was going and the last couple episodes I think they do develop a romantic relationship, they need each other.

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DevinKuska wrote:

Misaki-chan I found to be a bit of a mixed bag. While I admire her unwavering loyalty to Satou-san throughout the show. By the shows end I cant help but feel disgusted by her motives, of which she never repents. In the anime she never says her age(though in the beginning when Satou-sanmakes a wide guess she agree's), so its a bit hard to grasp any large age difference. Though I got the impression Satou-san was at least 5-6yrs older so thats not a huge difference from a western perspective, though would be slightly taboo in Japan. For the most part I felt Misaki-chan was the most enjoyable of all the characters. She was the warm, comforting voice of the show. Albeit with a bit of disgusting side. Points for effort for the cat-girl outfit to cheer up Satou-san. I have to give credit to any girl who would run through town looking like that to cheer up a friend.
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Really disgustied? Misaki was much more tragic than Satou ( she actually had a shitty life whereas he created his own shitty life), and she mentioned multiple times the only reason for her interest in him was that she thought he was even worse off than her. That she would actually do this in the hopes she could get him to fall in love with her shows how bad off she was. Judging by the direction the anime was going and the last couple episodes I think they do develop a romantic relationship, they need each other.



Perhaps I missed something then. I got the impression she wanted him around because she needed someone who was more pathetic then her life had been. In which case caring for someone because they are so wretched that you feel better about yourself isnt very virtuous no? Though if thats her only downfall she is still miles apart from Satou-san. The fact that she still functions as a part of society, and reaches out to others proves she is far more mentally stable then most of the other characters in the story.

EDIT: ahh yeah I remember her saying why she chose him I guess I never took it seriously and thought it was part of the "therapy"
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DevinKuska wrote:

Misaki-chan I found to be a bit of a mixed bag. While I admire her unwavering loyalty to Satou-san throughout the show. By the shows end I cant help but feel disgusted by her motives, of which she never repents. In the anime she never says her age(though in the beginning when Satou-sanmakes a wide guess she agree's), so its a bit hard to grasp any large age difference. Though I got the impression Satou-san was at least 5-6yrs older so thats not a huge difference from a western perspective, though would be slightly taboo in Japan. For the most part I felt Misaki-chan was the most enjoyable of all the characters. She was the warm, comforting voice of the show. Albeit with a bit of disgusting side. Points for effort for the cat-girl outfit to cheer up Satou-san. I have to give credit to any girl who would run through town looking like that to cheer up a friend.
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Really disgustied? Misaki was much more tragic than Satou ( she actually had a shitty life whereas he created his own shitty life), and she mentioned multiple times the only reason for her interest in him was that she thought he was even worse off than her. That she would actually do this in the hopes she could get him to fall in love with her shows how bad off she was. Judging by the direction the anime was going and the last couple episodes I think they do develop a romantic relationship, they need each other.



Perhaps I missed something then. I got the impression she wanted him around because she needed someone who was more pathetic then her life had been. In which case caring for someone because they are so wretched that you feel better about yourself isnt very virtuous no? Though if thats her only downfall she is still miles apart from Satou-san. The fact that she still functions as a part of society, and reaches out to others proves she is far more mentally stable then most of the other characters in the story.

EDIT: ahh yeah I remember her saying why she chose him I guess I never took it seriously and thought it was part of the "therapy"


She picks him because she thinks he is worse off than her but towards the end she reveals she thought her plan would get him to fall for her and thus never leave her. When it doesn't work that's what drives her to finally give up and
. Obviously it's a juvenile idea but for someone as desperate and young as her it's understandable, and even with her problems like his mother said, Sato doesn't deserve someone like her.

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He's my hikkimori hero seen this 500 times
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obligatory tfw no Misaki
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obligatory tfw no Misaki


TFW? As in...
the feel when?

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