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You've seen the pictures and vids on the news, but just how bad are the fires?

There are fires, and then there are FIRES like this one.

I've never seen a fire that has smoke so far away.

I live about 70 miles south, and I could clearly smell the smoke when I opened my garage door to drive to work. It was hazy outside.

I thought the smoke would clear up once I enter Silicon Valley, but nope- The entire Silicon Valley is filled with smoky haze more than 85 miles south of the fires.

I asked some coworkers who work up north in a branch campus closer to the fires, and they say the smoke is so bad around there it's been like a fog for the last two days. 15 miles south of the fires schools are closed.

A coworker said she couldn't open her windows, and sent this pic illustrating why. The city where she lives and works is in between the two groups of fires:



Note the scale of the map. On the lower left is San Francisco by the ocean. Near the upper right is Reno on the Nevada state border. Basically that whole part of the state is on fire and it's still going.

My wife went to a local wine outlet to buy wine because some wines would be gone for years- It would take 5 years just to rebuild a winery, and no telling exactly how long a wine would come out again. When she was there, many different labels were already either sold out or just down to the last bottle. Some wineries, restaurants and other places we visited just a few months ago are now gone.
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I don't drink... wine... but this is pretty devastating for the wine industry, I understand? Even setting aside the dead people, California was only just getting out wines better than France, and now Australia has a chance to overtake them with their rotgut.

In addition, that's not just wine country. It looks like most of the California Agrimafia is affected by these fires. No more bitter oranges, overpriced cherries, tiny cabbages, and suspicious lettuce until they get this sorted out. They'll need to purchase from outside the state, so Texas will probably be seeing quite an increase in haymakers.

This may be the end of California.
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huh, I'm in Stockton and nothing looks out of the ordinary
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gornotck wrote:

This may be the end of California.


At least 3 more things would have to be taken out before that happens

- Silicon Valley (Apple, Google, etc etc)

- The big ports where imports/exports happen (Oakland, Long Beach etc)

- Hollywood

So no, not the end of California but still a big black eye


bobland wrote:

huh, I'm in Stockton and nothing looks out of the ordinary


You might have lucked out and is sitting in the "yellow region" around Sacramento. The rest of us are getting bad air.

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Im over in East Bay-Berkeley area my son says no school tomorrow air quality is worse ever recorded since government has been monitoring air quality. Visibility is like fog but its all smoke and smells like camp fires
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nanikore2 wrote:


gornotck wrote:

This may be the end of California.


At least 3 more things would have to be taken out before that happens

- Silicon Valley (Apple, Google, etc etc)

- The big ports where imports/exports happen (Oakland, Long Beach etc)

- Hollywood

So no, not the end of California but still a big black eye


bobland wrote:

huh, I'm in Stockton and nothing looks out of the ordinary


You might have lucked out and is sitting in the "yellow region" around Sacramento. The rest of us are getting bad air.



If they don't get those fires contained, and California gets some bad weather conditions, I can see San Francisco and Los Angeles being taken out by the nearly two dozen uncontrolled fires, and that piddly one out in Anaheim.
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I've been out of the country the last 10 days, but I've seen pictures from my friends in the area. I just saw a picture from a safe area in Sonoma and you can't even see the sun through all the smoke. I have a lot of friends who live and own businesses in that area and I'm just keeping them in my thoughts and hoping they stay safe.

p.s: My parents, about 70 miles south, just said that the air quality is so poor that it's not safe to exercise...
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gornotck wrote:

If they don't get those fires contained, and California gets some bad weather conditions, I can see San Francisco and Los Angeles being taken out by the nearly two dozen uncontrolled fires, and that piddly one out in Anaheim.


The fires are burning areas with lots of brush, and not concrete jungles with asphalt and concrete.

If you've seen how the fires burned during the last big San Francisco earthquake, then you'd know that it doesn't go through big cities like that. Wooded suburbs are a different story.
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I work in the insurance industry and today I helped a woman who lost her home due to the fires.
She also lost some of her vehicles and all her personal belongings. She will be lucky if she gets 25% of her stuff back
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I work in the insurance industry and today I helped a woman who lost her home due to the fires.
She also lost some of her vehicles and all her personal belongings. She will be lucky if she gets 25% of her stuff back


Ouch. What stuff couldn't she get paid for, anything that she couldn't prove ownership of?
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TenekTikin wrote:

I work in the insurance industry and today I helped a woman who lost her home due to the fires.
She also lost some of her vehicles and all her personal belongings. She will be lucky if she gets 25% of her stuff back


Ouch. What stuff couldn't she get paid for, anything that she couldn't prove ownership of?


Insurance companies usually require receipts of the the items lost in the fire...

If things aren't attached to the house they aren't covered by the insurance policy .
sheds, fences, gazebos, landscaping, detached garages,etc none of that will covered.

It will take weeks to send someone to inspect the property and the insured is expected to pay out of pocket for a hotel. They are encouraged to save receipts for a possible reimbursement

They will also due their best to reconstruct the home using the cheapest materials.
If you tell them you had wooden floors they will find the cheapest product possible. You have to be very specific as to what type of wood it was and how big the planks where. If not they will go to Home Depot and buy the cheapest shit possible
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I live about 20 miles from the fires, and a few of my friends had to evacuate since they were about 1mile or less from the flames. my sister had to as well, but apparently with this particular fire, and the heavy wind, the embers that spread it are random as hell. her place survived, amazingly even though 1/2 a block away a kmart burned to the ground... The wind plus how dry its been, it is amazing how fast it spread.. tonight wont help either we expect 20-25mph winds, so that will help the fire....the night of the fire avg gust were about 50mph in the hills/mountains it was closer to 80mph... The fires are as bad as they say, maybe worse. much of Santa Rosa and, almost all Calistoga are on fire or were destroyed by it... What makes this fire especially hard to fight, is the random-ness of the flame pattern, there isn't a truly consistent pattern to it so the firefighters dont know where to go, or they are spread too thin to matter.. hell there is---was--- a hotel here they let burn because they figured it was already a loss, and let it burn to save other buildings that are still fixable-ish... they need 2x or even 4x the firefighters they have now for this one...... and there are already alot of them here... and if you think the air is bad for you, try being closer....
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Some people ive heard say that this fire, could cause more financial damage than hurricane sandy... Dont get me wrong sandy was BAD... but think of the cost to repair this.. most of the homes that burned.. and there are alot of them (several hundred), were over a million each. thats alot there, now conciser the MILLIONS more for all the winerys that are total losses as well.... and the fire is not even 2% contained yet
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I live in the East Bay and I kept an eye on the AQI all day because the sky/surrounding area looks so--Apocalyptic. This morning when I was driving to work, the SUNRISE WAS BLOOD RED! I have NEVER seen a red sunrise before. I have lived in the Bay Area my entire life and it's NEVER been THIS bad before. The AQI got up to 219 in my area. (That's "Very Unhealthy" for those keeping track. The purplish spot on the map above.) It was hard to breathe going to my car. I tried to cover my mouth and nose and I could feel "stuff" in the air. I don't know anyone personally in the fire zone, but many of my co-workers have family and friends up there. I could smell smoke in the garage when going to my car this morning. If it had been fog, the scenery would have been pretty, but the "fog" was all the smoke! Normally you can see Mt. Diablo (a big "double humped" mountain well known in the Bay Area) with no problem from my job on the 7th Floor--NOT TODAY! And my workplace was stupid. As soon as the air kicked in, it got a smoky smell in the building! So of course people started coughing and complaining about burning eyes and such. RECIRCULATE THE AIR, DUH! You could barely see a quarter of a mile. It's just awful! And it's supposed to be like this ALL WEEK?! NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!! Until the wind changes or some signifcant rain falls, it's going to be awful air quality! Rain would be perfect, but we're not getting any anytime soon from the looks of things.
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You do realize, that It might be longer than a week... the firefighters are preparing for a month long fight.....
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