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Posted 10/18/17 , edited 10/19/17

zangeif123 wrote:

There's a street by me they renamed after Obama not long after he was inaugurated.

But for the topic on hand I think it's fitting & progressive. And if the population of the area, the faculty, students and parents are for the name change then that's all that matters. I mean, 89% of the student population is black and your school named after Jefferson Davis. A man who fought to oppress blacks and keep slavery. It almost makes me think what took them so long.





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That's great, I'm down with whatever washes away that ugly shit stain called slavery. But you have to remember, one reason the deadliest war in American history didn't turn into a prolonged insurgency afterwards was because the victors showed their defeated foes some solemn respect, despite their enslavement of people. Like a family that went through some shit. Part of me thinks that's the only reason America isn't tearing itself apart now.


I think both of you guys need to read 1984.

A couple times.

Memory Holes are bad.
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karatecowboy wrote:

I think both of you guys need to read 1984.

A couple times.

Memory Holes are bad.


It does not appear that they're insinuating that we remove all references to this time period from our documents, merely removing the glorification of it in the form of statues of naming public and/or educational locations after figureheads of it.
Likening this action to that of 1984's "Memory Holes" (which, for those who have not the novel, are small chutes that documents were fed to that led to an incinerator to remove anything controversial or something that would show that the "party" was influencing the public view) is a bit of an alarmist perspective.
I would be more concerned if we started burning documents showing that we once had issues with slavery, that the Civil War had happened (in general), or anything that is similarly "controversial".

As long as there is an open medium in our society (i.e., the Internet) removing all references to this time period is nearly impossible.
Removing aspects that indicates that we glorify leaders or those who partook in the Civil War, from the loser's perspective, defies how history is written, to begin with (according to Churchill, at least).
The reality is that changing the name of a school or taking down statues won't overly impact our understanding of history.
The Civil War is still taught in public school curriculum.
There are an endless amount of non-fiction novels that focus on that time period, generals that took part of the Civil War, or overall historical investigation into that era from the perspectives of both sides.

This is what I mean by being an alarmist.
Taking a giant leap from one action to the extreme version of is skipping quite a few "red flags" that would give us a much better understanding as to whether or not the "extreme" were to ever occur.
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Posted 10/18/17 , edited 10/19/17

karatecowboy wrote:

I think both of you guys need to read 1984.

A couple times.

Memory Holes are bad.


Are you suggesting Jefferson Davis is being written out of history books? I don't get what you're suggesting. Come on man, stop being so dramatic. These kids are growing up in the south. You don't need to worry about them not knowing about the Civil War and slavery.

And I read 1984. Did an entire report on it even.
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He may be suggesting that all of American History is being written out of the history books. Little things first, then progressively bigger things until suddenly it's Mississippi itself being named after Obama.
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Posted 10/18/17 , edited 10/19/17
I'm fine with this,it's a good change.
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Posted 10/18/17 , edited 10/19/17
Yeah, a lot of stuff gets named after former presidents.

Personally, I'd pick some big donor alumni to rename it after. Giving money to your old schools is a pretty important tradition.
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