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Post Reply So, which women might be making up their Weinstein accusations?
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Posted 10/20/17 , edited 10/21/17

ghostlygirl wrote:

Thanks for the confirmation on that one. But what I mean is even after they got an excessive amount of money already, they still kept silent. If it were me, once I famous enough and enough money I would have come out sooner. Not 25 years after my career started. I already know how greedy these Hollywood actors are. They story just seems more suspicious because some many women waited for so long when they already had the world in their hands for the past several decades.


Perhaps you should consider that even if any of them had been thinking they would eventually go public with the information, they were most likely thinking vague thoughts like "once I famous enough and enough money". If you yourself can't even properly quantify the exact moment when you believe someone should have made their accusation, then you already have everything you need in order to answer your own question.
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en.wikipedia.org/…/Harvey_Weinstein_sexual_misconduct_alleg…: nearly 60 have come forward against this guy. I'm not convinced aIl of these women are actual victims. This is because there's the chance of fame and $ from a lawsuit. So, which women do you think might be making the accusations up?


Have you ever seen Harvey in interviews? I'm guessing "None".
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this has been a long standing Hollywood coverup so I can believe such cases. it's up to law to conclude them to be right or not, not the average Joe (unless you're on the Jury). there are some nasty things which take place in Hollywood alone, so, yeah, why not. let's not forget the "coverup" remark, there have been many who have come forth, but once "they" start scaring a person (if you want to keep your job just deal with it sort of thing) then yeah it'll go unheard and/or fall on deaf ears. once again the left media has succeeded, they do all this fake news and now it's hard for people to tell the difference. there's this method of research, if many cases and sites stating similar cases, then there's a strong chance it's legit. don't rely on only one news source, that's not research...
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While I do not disagree with the assumption that some women may be cashing in, what is the point of this thread, really? It all seems to revolve around baseless speculation from our own clouded lens of what makes a liar look like a liar and vice versa. I have no clue, and I doubt any of us really do. The only ones who do have a clue will be those in the courtroom if it ever comes down to it.

I am just perplexed, really. This thread just seems to me a "Prove God Exists" thread. Well, I cannot prove or disprove it, so why the debate?
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In my opinion, private citizens not involved in these cases have no valuable contributions to make on the topic at hand. It's gossip on a serious matter that should be left to the investigative officials who, at this point, are the ones in the position to determine accounts' validity or invalidity (in the legal sense). Even so, an inability to reach a conclusion is not necessarily indicative of innocence and could rather indicate that officials can't conclusively find that the perpetrator is guilty due to evidentiary support. This could be for a myriad of reasons, though most commonly due to the gap of the actual event and the accusation. Plenty of people tend to view these lengthy timelines as reason to dismiss the validity of accusations, though it should be noted that many victims stay silent in fear of the retribution, ridicule and rejection, both commonly heard of and seen through various environments within society (e.g. offices, universities, etc).

Narratives like the one presented in this thread preserve a culture which greatly contributes to a victim's silence. When you multiply one instance of such commentary to the countless that exist, too many women and men are exposed to ideology that suggests they will not be taken seriously, and will further suffer and be shamed for wanting to seek justice. This has devastating consequences.

Consequently, I respectfully decline to further the conversation from the initial post.
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Posted 10/22/17 , edited 10/22/17
Whoever is looking to cash in or needs publicity to advance a stalled career.
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This is a dangerous thread.

Personally, as a law student and psychology major, I don't think it's proper to victim blame. We cannot assume anything, and as much as I do not like the man, in the eyes of law, he is innocent until proven guilty.

However, I do have some comments.
First, if you have never been sexually assaulted, at this point, your comments and opinions are irrelevant, especially those victim blaming and asking "why now?" Second, these women were not yet powerful / successful when the assaults happened to them.

When an individual is sexually assaulted, many people won't come out. Even if they have the means to sue him in court, and when it has been years later when they have the platform to. People might say why now? Why not when everyone's suddenly coming out and making a huge deal of it? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU. WHY NOT NOW? Does sharing it now make it less credible? No, no it does not. Many people do not want to share such experience. Who would want to even remember it? Sometimes it takes the courage of one woman to come out that can help others also come out with their story, because they're not alone.
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Posted 10/22/17 , edited 10/22/17
@PeripheralVisionary: the point of this thread is to rule out who could be making this up based on what info has been given. That said, I am not one to go on any of those ladies's FB or Twitter and say "liar!" unless we found clear and convincing evidence/proof some of them made it up.

@mizocutie: how could I say "I think some of the women are accusing women are making the story up so they can get their fame and lawsuit" without seeming like I am pulling the victim blaming card?
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Posted 10/22/17 , edited 10/23/17
I'm betting those so call friends are two face with him.. Once he got in the spotlight, that when those so call friend start backstabing him.. saying he force himself on me..etc.

pretty scary that those friends was once very close to you till at the end.
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Posted 10/23/17 , edited 10/23/17

kadmos1 wrote:

@PeripheralVisionary: the point of this thread is to rule out who could be making this up based on what info has been given. That said, I am not one to go on any of those ladies's FB or Twitter and say "liar!" unless we found clear and convincing evidence/proof some of them made it up.

@mizocutie: how could I say "I think some of the women are accusing women are making the story up so they can get their fame and lawsuit" without seeming like I am pulling the victim blaming card?




1. You don't have the knowledge to rule anyone out, making this attempt entirely pointless.

2. You can't.

You're left with either furthering a victim-blaming rhetoric from an uninformed position, or not playing "the court of public opinion" and letting investigators with the intelligence to know make those determinations. To ensure no confusion, I mean intelligence in the context of a collection of information and data pertaining to these cases.
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Posted 10/23/17 , edited 10/23/17

kadmos1 wrote:

Also, given that those accusations are a sensitive/serious issue, I think this thread has some validity to it.

It's because the accusations are a sensitive and serious issue that this thread has no validity to it. The legal system exists for a reason. Nobody wants serious and sensitive issues to be adjudicated by the court of public opinion.

We aren't in a position where we can prove or disprove any of the claims because we do not (and most likely never will) have access to all the pertinent information.

We must presume that Weinstein is innocent, just as we must presume all of his accusers are innocent (of making deliberate false accusations - which is, you know.. a crime), until proven otherwise in a court of law.
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Posted 10/23/17 , edited 10/23/17
It's impossible to say, so why speculate? I assume some diligence will be done when it comes to payouts. Not any of my business, and not any of yours.
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Posted 10/23/17 , edited 10/23/17

sundin13 wrote:

At this point, who cares?


Yup. This scum needs to be dragged through the mud.
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