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https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/308054/Andromeda_dev_chalks_up_some_of_the_games_problems_to_a_lack_of_diversity.php

I'm not so sure about the lack of diversity caused problems for this game. It's like opening up old wounds when it comes to Mass Effect Andromeda

You can get this game for $11.73 on Amazon if you like.
https://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-Andromeda-Deluxe-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MTJ0TA9

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His statements were pretty reasonable. I don't really like the focus on diversity of race as I think it makes more sense to focus on diversity of viewpoints, however, there are certainly a lot of issues with insular communities and their ability to foresee criticism and appreciate other viewpoints.
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Oh, that really bad trash game? lel. Seems like the Dev is trying to race bait though haha.
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I think it's just a bad game, with a terrible launch. I waited to see actual gameplay reviews which trashed it.

Bioware games are so PC that it arguably compromises the story some times. It's just cookie cutter, check all the boxes, Hollywood "diversity". It actually makes sense that it's a bunch of white dudes putting out these games.

Social issues aside, Andromeda was a case study on how to screw up a game.


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I was about to agree, until I saw where you said that the statement was made on the basis of race.

Sigh, I don't give a fuck if there is a 1:1 ratio of male to female or there is just enough black people and asian people to "balance out" the white people. I just want something that is actually good and is something other than a fucking FPS to come out.
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"I wasn't the only one. There were other people, there were other white people, white men, who spoke up. There's a lot of really good people inside of BioWare who spoke up on this stuff," he said. "This is what happens when, I think, you have a homogeneous leadership. The leadership of Mass Effect: Andromeda was all white men."



"As somebody's who's public, you become the loud guy, you become the angry guy, and you become the person who's just trying to get all the press for yourself. That's how it's read, and then there becomes internal strife,"



"It is our job to speak up and do that thing. I'm not gonna quiet down and I'm not gonna not fight. So to me, when I realized I was in an environment that did not accept that and want that, and that was telling me I was being too angry or I was speaking up too much, and basically tried to tell me to sit down and be humble, I was like...peace out."



"It is our job to speak up and do that thing. I'm not gonna quiet down and I'm not gonna not fight. So to me, when I realized I was in an environment that did not accept that and want that, and that was telling me I was being too angry or I was speaking up too much, and basically tried to tell me to sit down and be humble, I was like...peace out."


I don't really see anything wrong with these claims tbqh.

Also this should be in gaming.
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Hahaha... The way it's presented makes it sound as though the devs are unwilling to swallow their pride and acknowledge that the game is just that bad, period. "Diversity" tassels won't save terrible games. It takes a hell of a lot more than a cliché, homogenous cast to sink a game as hard as Andromeda did.
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Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

Hahaha... The way it's presented makes it sound as though the devs are unwilling to swallow their pride and acknowledge that the game is just that bad, period. "Diversity" tassels won't save terrible games. It takes a hell of a lot more than a cliché, homogenous cast to sink a game as hard as Andromeda did.


He really isn't saying that at all. If you listen to the podcast, he makes it pretty clear that there are a lot of issues with the game and he doesn't act like diversity is the core issue or that it is a silver bullet. He talks about how the project changed multiple times and how the team wasn't able to deliver on the open-world concept. Also, the diversity he was speaking about here was largely on the side of the team, not in game diversity.

Speaking about diversity being a flaw of Andromeda is a minor point at most. It really isn't what the podcast was about.
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Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
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Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either, people who are similar tend to get along better, but being intolerant of diversity within society is a human flaw imo, its not something to embrace it is something to work through and not avoid. and yes there are definitely examples of blatant hypocrisy on the part of some people claiming to espouse tolerance, however i don't think this is a valid excuse for throwing the baby out with the bath water
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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


This is queer, coming from you (the bolded sentence).
A rather profound percentage of your comments on this forum have been in the mind of not expanding beyond your own opinions.

That being said, there is an element of complication that comes from encouraging diversity for the sake of diversity.
Research does indicate that voting and community-driven events go on the decline when cultural diversity is developed without any intervention to incorporate this diversity into the community (to where it becomes natural instead of "forced").

Now about Mass Effect: Andromeda, I liked it.
It was a hot mess until their first major update, which fixed some of the bugs and glitches that made the game nearly unplayable.
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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either,


I would. Japan has may be impressively low on crime right now but historically that has seldomly been the case. In fact the low crime rate of the country has only happened relatively recently, a similar timing to their increase in acceptance of foreign people. If we're going to go by meager circumstancial evidence like the cowboy wants us to, then if anything it shows diversity as an objectively good thing.
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That dev also happens to be a terrible racist. Clearly hates white people.

Google Manveer Heir Twitter Racism.
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Precious, hearing about diversity from someone who hates white people.

Andromeda's issues had nothing to do with the skin color of the devs. If anything, Bioware are TOO PC... the force-fed "diversity" in the game was awkward and distracting.

Incidentally, The Witcher 3 was made by a basically entirely white dev studio. Surprisingly (!), that game is incredible. It's almost like there is ZERO correlation between the two.
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His statements were pretty reasonable. I don't really like the focus on diversity of race as I think it makes more sense to focus on diversity of viewpoints, however, there are certainly a lot of issues with insular communities and their ability to foresee criticism and appreciate other viewpoints.


Mass effect 1 and 2 did the races very well. Each race was different and their cultures reflected that races regular behaviors. The Krogan were violent as fuck, mercenaries, and had a more barbaric culture as would be expected. The Salarians were weaker but instead focuses more on knowledge or agility and their race was very hyperactive but died quicker.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Salarian

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Krogan

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Volus

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari


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I was about to agree, until I saw where you said that the statement was made on the basis of race.

Sigh, I don't give a fuck if there is a 1:1 ratio of male to female or there is just enough black people and asian people to "balance out" the white people. I just want something that is actually good and is something other than a fucking FPS to come out.


This guy gets it! Hell one of my favorite games is GTA San Andreas and it is one of the most racist non-PC games out there but it was really fun. I wasn't sitting there counting the number of X person compared to Y person to make sure the ratios fit some sort of arbitrary number I made up to be a reference. I was shooting cops, causing the carpocalypse, and starting gang wars.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 used to be my favorite series (till 3) and it was because of how unique the characters were and how the entire universe had a realism feel to it instead of trying to force some PC bullshit upon it and having Garrys Mod level rag dolls.
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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either, people who are similar tend to get along better, but being intolerant of diversity within society is a human flaw imo, its not something to embrace it is something to work through and not avoid. and yes there are definitely examples of blatant hypocrisy on the part of some people claiming to espouse tolerance, however i don't think this is a valid excuse for throwing the baby out with the bath water

I am sure it's more nuanced than that when it comes to Japan. However, I think that the unity and harmony they have is the bedrock for the other things to thrive. It's kind of like a free market and prosperity: having a free market does not guarantee prosperity, but not having a free market virtually guarantees you will not have prosperity.



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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


This is queer, coming from you (the bolded sentence).
A rather profound percentage of your comments on this forum have been in the mind of not expanding beyond your own opinions.

That being said, there is an element of complication that comes from encouraging diversity for the sake of diversity.
Research does indicate that voting and community-driven events go on the decline when cultural diversity is developed without any intervention to incorporate this diversity into the community (to where it becomes natural instead of "forced").

Now about Mass Effect: Andromeda, I liked it.
It was a hot mess until their first major update, which fixed some of the bugs and glitches that made the game nearly unplayable.

I can see how that would look strange, coming from me. I have such mixed feelings on intellectual diversity. In some cases it's great but in others it just causes problems and I do not have a solid metric for the wheres and whys of it. My best summary is that when it comes to diversity: variety may be the spice of life, but consistency is the meat and potatoes.

I have not played the Mass Effect games myself, but I think it's a great example of how social Marxism and it's identity politics poisons virtually everything it touches.


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That dev also happens to be a terrible racist. Clearly hates white people.

Google Manveer Heir Twitter Racism.
Or, here let me help:


Precious, hearing about diversity from someone who hates white people.




That's because in a racial context "diversity" is a dog-whistle for hating white people.
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