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Posted 10/24/17 , edited 10/24/17

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Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either, people who are similar tend to get along better, but being intolerant of diversity within society is a human flaw imo, its not something to embrace it is something to work through and not avoid. and yes there are definitely examples of blatant hypocrisy on the part of some people claiming to espouse tolerance, however i don't think this is a valid excuse for throwing the baby out with the bath water


Hmm, I don't think diversity has any real effect on crime. If you take people from a nigh 0% crime rate White American community and put them together with a nigh 0% crime rate Japanese community, I seriously doubt crime rate increases. I mean, diversity seems like it increases crime rate, but that's only in the context of immigrating people from incredibly high crime areas. When they move, they are taking their crime rate with them.

As for tolerance, I think it's a good thing, but it's important to understand the correct meaning of the word. We might hate something, but we are disciplined enough to only try to change it in a moral, peaceful way. If we're tolerating a child's misbehavior, that doesn't mean we never take action to correct it, it just means we're not flipping out about it constantly. A disciplined society understands that the homogenous behavior it's encouraging is good and desired, but going to extremes to enforce it would be wrong and destructive.
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Iam not going to defend EA but lets admit, DA2 was a complete pile of shit compared to Origins. And Inquisition was WAY better than DA2.
One thing that i love about the Frostbite engine is how well it can allow/produce destructible environment. Yeah the use of destructible environment was fairly limited in Inquisition and Andromeda , especially when comparing it to Battlefield.
On a side note, the graphics and environments/destructible environments in BF still amaze me. Not that graphics are everything.

But yeah, i've found it hard to forgive EA as well. The Command and conquer series was one of my all time faves back in the day...
And funnily enough, Battlefield was better before the fancy graphics and destructible environment that i love so much (BF2 was my first BF game and boy was it better than the current BF games).
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Remember when WB Games messed up with Arkham Knight for Rocksteady, until Rocksteady came along and fixed it? It's matter of trusting too easily in my opinion.
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-OlE- wrote:
Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either, people who are similar tend to get along better, but being intolerant of diversity within society is a human flaw imo, its not something to embrace it is something to work through and not avoid. and yes there are definitely examples of blatant hypocrisy on the part of some people claiming to espouse tolerance, however i don't think this is a valid excuse for throwing the baby out with the bath water


Hmm, I don't think diversity has any real effect on crime. If you take people from a nigh 0% crime rate White American community and put them together with a nigh 0% crime rate Japanese community, I seriously doubt crime rate increases. I mean, diversity seems like it increases crime rate, but that's only in the context of immigrating people from incredibly high crime areas. When they move, they are taking their crime rate with them.

As for tolerance, I think it's a good thing, but it's important to understand the correct meaning of the word. We might hate something, but we are disciplined enough to only try to change it in a moral, peaceful way. If we're tolerating a child's misbehavior, that doesn't mean we never take action to correct it, it just means we're not flipping out about it constantly. A disciplined society understands that the homogenous behavior it's encouraging is good and desired, but going to extremes to enforce it would be wrong and destructive.



well statistically speaking whites are far less racist than all other colors, you can place them with any group and not see a bump in crime. At that the most racist groups in the world are Indians and blacks. From what the data shows.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Kavalion wrote:


-OlE- wrote:
Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous
no offense but i think you are leaping to a conclusion here. you are taking japans low crime rate and attributing it to the fact that japan is a homogeneous society, but i am pretty sure its more complicated than that. I wouldn't say it's not a factor at all either, people who are similar tend to get along better, but being intolerant of diversity within society is a human flaw imo, its not something to embrace it is something to work through and not avoid. and yes there are definitely examples of blatant hypocrisy on the part of some people claiming to espouse tolerance, however i don't think this is a valid excuse for throwing the baby out with the bath water


Hmm, I don't think diversity has any real effect on crime. If you take people from a nigh 0% crime rate White American community and put them together with a nigh 0% crime rate Japanese community, I seriously doubt crime rate increases. I mean, diversity seems like it increases crime rate, but that's only in the context of immigrating people from incredibly high crime areas. When they move, they are taking their crime rate with them.

As for tolerance, I think it's a good thing, but it's important to understand the correct meaning of the word. We might hate something, but we are disciplined enough to only try to change it in a moral, peaceful way. If we're tolerating a child's misbehavior, that doesn't mean we never take action to correct it, it just means we're not flipping out about it constantly. A disciplined society understands that the homogenous behavior it's encouraging is good and desired, but going to extremes to enforce it would be wrong and destructive.



well statistically speaking whites are far less racist than all other colors, you can place them with any group and not see a bump in crime. At that the most racist groups in the world are Indians and blacks. From what the data shows.


Can I see said data...?
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Iam not going to defend EA but lets admit, DA2 was a complete pile of shit compared to Origins. And Inquisition was WAY better than DA2.
One thing that i love about the Frostbite engine is how well it can allow/produce destructible environment. Yeah the use of destructible environment was fairly limited in Inquisition and Andromeda , especially when comparing it to Battlefield.
On a side note, the graphics and environments/destructible environments in BF still amaze me. Not that graphics are everything.

But yeah, i've found it hard to forgive EA as well. The Command and conquer series was one of my all time faves back in the day...
And funnily enough, Battlefield was better before the fancy graphics and destructible environment that i love so much (BF2 was my first BF game and boy was it better than the current BF games).


Counterpoint: DA2 gave us Varric. Though really, DA2 was entirely EA's fault as well. It was a game that should have taken 3-4 years to develop and EA rushed it through in a mere 18 months of which only a year was actual production. They wanted to rake in more of that sweet sweet Origins cash as soon as was humanly possible. They did not give a rat's ass about it being a good game, just getting out something else they could milk the DA name for asap.

I mean, DA1 took 7 years to develop ( as they built the engine from the ground up ). DA:I took 3 ( with Frostbyte to start with ). Asking Bioware to turn around and crap out a full fledged sequel to DA1 ( or indeed *any* triple A title ) in merely a year is fucking bonkers. Especially given DA2 needed a major rework of DA1's engine to support its cinematic.

So yeah, you can quite firmly blame DA2 entirely on EA.



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They initially didn't allow you to customize a white character, they patched that in later.
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Just like how it's wrong to force people to integrate with each other.
If diversity is so great, why does the government have to pay for it?
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lol from such an outspoken racist he doesn't have much of leg to stand on this issue.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
whites are far less racist than all other colors


The definitive Darkphoenix quote, ladies and gentlemen.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
whites are far less racist than all other colors


The definitive Darkphoenix quote, ladies and gentlemen.


There is SOME truth in it though. We all get painted with the KKK brush, the same people that cry over the Muslim=terrorist, black person=criminal, Asian person=rice eating and gets straight A's or has a small penis or eats dog or knows kung fu, etc paint all white people as KKK or "Nazi's" and only white people can be racist or say things like only whites conduct in paedophilia or incest or are mass murderers, etc.

Pretty sure anyone from any race can live in a predominantly white area and feel pretty darn safe, and yet a white person cannot say the same about living in a predominately non white area..
I'd feel very safe in an area full of Chinese or Vietnamese or etc though.
But low income/low employment/high crime white areas will make even other whites feel unsafe, of course.

lol at where this thread has ended up. It's interesting though.


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MrAnimeSK wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
whites are far less racist than all other colors


The definitive Darkphoenix quote, ladies and gentlemen.


There is SOME truth in it tthough



No.

Take your racism elsewhere.
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MrAnimeSK wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
whites are far less racist than all other colors


The definitive Darkphoenix quote, ladies and gentlemen.


There is SOME truth in it though. We all get painted with the KKK brush, the same people that cry over the Muslim=terrorist, black person=criminal, Asian person=rice eating and gets straight A's or has a small penis or eats dog or knows kung fu, etc paint all white people as KKK or "Nazi's" and only white people can be racist or say things like only whites conduct in paedophilia or incest or are mass murderers, etc.

Pretty sure anyone from any race can live in a predominantly white area and feel pretty darn safe, and yet a white person cannot say the same about living in a predominately non white area..
I'd feel very safe in an area full of Chinese or Vietnamese or etc though.
But low income/low employment/high crime white areas will make even other whites feel unsafe, of course.

lol at where this thread has ended up. It's interesting though.




That has nothing to do with race.

It is a complex social issue that has to do with wealth. Wealthy people are generally not involved with street crime or street culture. Regardless of where you live, black, white, asian, or latino communities the amount of crime increases the lower down on the financial spectrum communities are.

Secondly, you're saying this from the perspective of a white person. How do you know a black person in a white community feels safe? How do you know a latino person in a black community feels safe? I think anywhere you feel excluded socially you feel unsafe, regardless of race. This has to do with the tribal parts of our brain's social constructs trying to keep us safe. If you are an outsider you were under threat because outsiders often brought disaster. It doesn't matter what race you are because your brain will still react this way without you training it not to do so.
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The real review this developer needs to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDjci1ODoBs
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The game is sold out (purchase direct from Amazon.com not other merchants)
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