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We can all agree that there's a lot wrong in the world.

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Keeping abortion legal. :|
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zefur wrote:


ChiisanaMausu wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

....I think utilities companies should introduce more solar arrays and wind farms to use nature to bring costs down.


Problem with this is that the cost of building solar arrays and wind farms will ultimately be born by the the consumers and possibly tax payers. There are already line items on my utility bills for such "cost saving" projects. In other words, my bills are higher than they would be without them.
Fossil fuels are still abundant in this country, and are far more cost effective than green tech. Eventually this dynamic will change, and the free market will determine when the switch to solar, wind, or other should occur. That is, if the government would stop meddling.

However, I applaud your choice of topics, and hope we do manage to find some common ground.



This line of thinking I don't understand. Yes fossil fuel right now are not at too dangerous levels but that obviously wont last. The free market would react late to it so the customer prices would have already increased before companies start to make the switch meaning the consumer would have to pay more on two fronts.

Aren't preparatory and preventative measures better than reactionary? Isn't that why people prepare for retirement instead of waiting till retirement to do something about how they are going to live.

If you prepare and develop green energy now it means less expenditure in the future.

Thats my take.

As for the thread title they agree on most things but disagree on how to solve the problems in a country


It may be easier to see my position if you think of it on a micro level instead of a macro level. For instance,

I looked into putting solar panels on my roof as a means to save money. I determined that the costs involved in installation, maintenance, and eventual replacement (lifespan) out weighed any savings I would have obtained. Therefore, I choose to invest in upgrading the insulation and weather-tightness of my house, realizing an immediate and significant savings. Savings that can be directed towards investing in solar panels when/if they become cost effective.

The same types of analyses can and should be done on a national level, rather than misallocating limited resources that would be better spent elsewhere.
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nonspecificscientific wrote:

Keeping abortion legal. :|


?? conservatives don't want abortion to be legal





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Yes that makes a ton of sense and I understand why that choice makes sense especially in this sense. On a personal level it works but on the larger scale I think its not about thinking about how I can benefit in the short term, but more on how people as a whole can benefit on the whole. A government has to have a longer view than the individual, it has to think of the well being of a larger amount of people for a longer amount of time. So it will do things with that in mind, I wont necessarily do things that in the longterm would benefit me (mostly cos I'm selfish and foolish). Things that would have a longterm benefit would help any family if that I chose to have.
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Watching Anime > Watching the news


I lol'd. Heartily.

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nonspecificscientific wrote:

Keeping abortion legal. :|


Especially the post-birth kind, with rifles, and electric chairs. :|
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Peace, Order, and good Government?
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nonspecificscientific wrote:

Keeping abortion legal. :|


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zefur wrote:



As for the thread title they agree on most things but disagree on how to solve the problems in a country



I have to agree with you on this point.

Not only do we as a society disagree on solutions, but it seems that different sides are becoming entrenched and unwilling to really consider alternate positions.
As a fiscal conservative, social liberal that doesn't fit neatly into either side, I find this very disturbing.
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Racism is bad. They just cannot agree on the definition of racist.


That was actually my very first thought. Racism is bad and yet The Liberals think any non Liberal is a racist. Simply and solely for being a conservative.
Yet Conservatives feel Liberals are often anti white, even the white Liberals.

The word racism is actually very rarely used accurately. I dont think there are all that many people who think they are superior or that someone else is inferior based on race.
Solely on race i mean.

I haven't even read any other comments yet but i had to quote you because it(your post) my my immediate thought.

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Watching Anime > Watching the news


Haha yeah that is a good one. So many lefties seem to like anime, surprises me a bit.
Throw in play video games as well, both sides can agree that video games are good.
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We need better gun control. That's something everyone acknowledges.
How far gun control extends varies though. And for some reason the super right wing thinks liberals are trying to completely ban guns, and they use that as a counter argument to an argument that doesn't exist.

Doesn't canada have legal guns? And they don't shoot people every weekend? Honestly, I think handguns and hunting rifles are fine, but there's no reason for military grade weaponry to be in the hands of the populace.
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official-shinsengumi wrote:


nonspecificscientific wrote:

Keeping abortion legal. :|


?? conservatives don't want abortion to be legal



They're just saying that to gain votes and keep their little fundraisers going.
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Ted Cruz is a horrifying mockery of the human form.

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