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Yeah I don't think so. You can never trust goverment when they say stuff like that. Have you ever heard of goverments distracting people from real problems? It's not new news. They have been talking about climate change for ages. Dont be blinded by such a stupid concept.


That's so ass backwards I don't even know where to start.

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from what i read, Republicans actually agree about global warming / climate change. the only reason they are against measures is due to partisan politics.


I don't agree with this simply because as a Republian, I don't support global warming / climate change. It is because there's much evidence that it doesn't exist.


Region where I come from we used to get proper snow winters that started mid October and ended in late April.
Now we have to wait until mid January that we get proper winter weather

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Blood will wash away the sins of society.


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Anyone have any policy-specific suggestions. Maybe some ideas on legislative fixes?
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gornotck wrote:

Blood will wash away the sins of society.


Never leave, gornotck. You are an oasis in this sea of retard.
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Anyone have any policy-specific suggestions. Maybe some ideas on legislative fixes?


A bipartisan replacement or set of modifications to Obamacare. The far-right might throw a fit over it, but iirc there were moderate Republicans seemed open to the idea. If they worked with the Democrats (and vice-versa) they'd probably have more success then the Republican party is having trying to get something passed on their own.
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Liberals and conservatives in the United States are probably more alike than they want to admit. Things that one side thinks are problems are likely to be considered to be problems by the other side. The difference is the solutions. The growing income disparity between the rich and poor is a good example. Both sides agree that this is a big problem. Liberals think the best way to solve this is to raise taxes and then give it to poor people. Conservatives think that the best solution is to encourage business expansion so companies will hire the poor people.


Both sides believe in helping businesses thrive so they can hire new talent.

Businesses don't opt to hire poor people. They opt to hire capable people. Which is why liberals prefer boosting education for the poor, whereas conservatives believe in giving tax cuts to the businesses and letting the chips fall where they may.

The solutions are fundamentally different.

Most first-world countries have found good compromise, but not the US.
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Mishio1 wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

Anyone have any policy-specific suggestions. Maybe some ideas on legislative fixes?


A bipartisan replacement or set of modifications to Obamacare.


I know liberals take offence to the first have of that sentence and conservatives the second half. Only thing both sides agree on is something needs to happen.
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On topic: Both sides agree that going to Mars (and continuing to explore the solar system) is a worthwhile goal.

Thankfully you can't politicize space... at least not yet
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MysticGon wrote:

I know liberals take offence to the first have of that sentence and conservatives the second half. Only thing both sides agree on is something needs to happen.


There's no denying that Obamacare has issues, I'm inclined to believe that at least our politicians, if not our base, are prudent enough to realize that. Personally speaking, I personally don't mind a replacement, as long as the Democrats get a decent amount of influence over what goes into it.

Even from a purely partisan standpoint, it could be considered a win for us liberals since such legislation would shut out the far right politicians that keep trying to get it repealed, as well as further demonstrate the hypocrisy of the anti-Obamacare propaganda right-wing politicians have been spouting since it's conception. Of course, that's probably why the GOP leadership seems to be against it.
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MysticGon wrote:

I know liberals take offence to the first have of that sentence and conservatives the second half. Only thing both sides agree on is something needs to happen.


There's no denying that Obamacare has issues, I'm inclined to believe that at least our politicians, if not our base, are prudent enough to realize that. Personally speaking, I personally don't mind a replacement, as long as the Democrats get a decent amount of influence over what goes into it.

Even from a purely partisan standpoint, it could be considered a win for us liberals since such legislation would shut out the far right politicians that keep trying to get it repealed, as well as further demonstrate the hypocrisy of the anti-Obamacare propaganda right-wing politicians have been spouting since it's conception. Of course, that's probably why the GOP leadership seems to be against it.


President Obama had at least 3 state of the unions where he attempted to convince republicans to try to help fix Obamacare.

They opted for attempting to repeal at least 50 or 60 times... mostly theater, because they never had a plan to replace. Even into half of Trump's first year.

It was always about sabotage.

It's only now that we're seriously talking about trying to fix Obamacare (which is in fact trying to address the still inefficient healthcare system in America). But the reality that it was not perfect has been well-known for years.

Far as I'm concerned, the fact that it leans so heavily on insurance companies in order to function... that's just a fundamental flaw in US healthcare.

But that's from my supposedly 'liberal' perspective (which is I believe is in line with how first-world healthcare functions almost everywhere else).
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:
Thankfully you can't politicize space... at least not yet


Unless it's in space looking back at Earth. In which case Trump's budget proposal slashed it. It's much easier to claim China invented climate change to destroy America when you don't let NASA check otherwise in the first place~

We should probably be thankful he hasn't floated the idea of putting his name on the moon yet.




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