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Posted 10/30/17 , edited 10/31/17

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Sadly, it seems she would have lost either way. If the boy had jumped sooner, she more than likely would have hit him and been forced to live the rest of her life with that memory. Instead her life was taken and the boy’s was spared. Without sounding disrespectful or inhumane, I hope the boy gets help, all while never forgetting what he had done.


I agree here, as awful with what has happened, and he does share responsibility, I cannot imagine jailing him for a lengthy period for an act happened as a pubescent 12 year old is going to help. If any of my actions at 12 had such opposing ramifications, I would be able to cope even less.

Of course, jail helps no one rehabilitate, especially drug addicts and the severely mentally distressed. I consider suicide a painful, if selfish thing, but in the end, I believe sympathy and condemnation can be productive, perhaps. Not sure.





Thanks for the Psychology lesson Senpai

Got anything else too add to your late night crunchyroll seminar?

The issue here isn't about if he was actually thinking about the consequences, it's about the cold hard fact that his actions directly lead to someone elses death.

Thinking about said consequences does not equal premeditation. Nor does the lack of such thought excuse him from having to deal with the consequences of his actions.

I'm not saying he should be jailed for manslaughter or whatever degree murder.

But he shouldn't get off scott free just cus "i'm young please take it easy on meh cus muh muhhh muhhh brainnnn isn't fully developed."





And yes, 12 year olds have an incredibly myopic view of the world. Looking back now, did any of our actions at 12 make any sense now? Calling him a fool seems to be a bit...excessive, repetitive, etc, since I imagine 12 years old in general are vulnerable to being psychologically compromised. Just does not make sense, in that case. 12 year olds are fools, but at that age, few of us realize how idiotic we are when we acted in such a way. I hope I do not seem too argumentative.
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It's a tragic tale but hopefully he will receive the help he needs along with the grieving family, he was brought low enough to try and take his own life, having taken anothers life instead isn't going to be good for his mental state
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Thanks for the Psychology lesson Senpai

Got anything else too add to your late night crunchyroll seminar?

The issue here isn't about if he was actually thinking about the consequences, it's about the cold hard fact that his actions directly lead to someone elses death.

Thinking about said consequences does not equal premeditation. Nor does the lack of such thought excuse him from having to deal with the consequences of his actions.

I'm not saying he should be jailed for manslaughter or whatever degree murder.

But he shouldn't get off scott free just cus "i'm young please take it easy on meh cus muh muhhh muhhh brainnnn isn't fully developed."



So a child is helping their father with yard work and sets a hammer on the edge of a table. His younger brother sits under the lip and the center of gravity finally switches sides and the hammer falls on his head and kills him. Your saying that the child should face jailing consequences. I'm saying that an understanding of consequence and life needs to be established or charging them is literally meaningless.

If a 12 year old with no basis of action can be charged beyond the scope of their cognitive ability a 4 year old can be charged as well.

Mistakes happen and some things can never be taken back but I don't think it's right to define justice a rigid thing without context.
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So a child is helping their father with yard work and sets a hammer on the edge of a table. His younger brother sits under the lip and the center of gravity finally switches sides and the hammer falls on his head and kills him. Your saying that the child should face jailing consequences. I'm saying that an understanding of consequence and life needs to be established or charging them is literally meaningless.

If a 12 year old with no basis of action can be charged beyond the scope of their cognitive ability a 4 year old can be charged as well.

Mistakes happen and some things can never be taken back but I don't think it's right to define justice a rigid thing without context.


What? Okay, I really slammed hard on my mental brakes when I read this.

"I'm not saying he should be jailed for manslaughter or whatever degree murder." amejia0 explicitly said that. No, he did not say the kid should be jailed, but, instead, quite the opposite. You kind of went off of the rails here.

Also, I question your comparison. The hammer situation is a bona fide accident, lacking any sort of premeditation for any sort of harm. Foolish, sure, but you certainly stretch the parallels to the limit. Your scenario grants the child plenty of wiggle room. Meanwhile, this twelve year-old not only sought out a highway overpass, but then jumped down onto blatantly busy roads. No, no... Frankly, it seems as though you gravely underestimate the intelligence of the average twelve year-old. Hell, I daresay you've forgotten just how smart you were at that age. Undeveloped or not, twelve year-olds deserve a hell of a lot more credit than you give them.

The pendulum swings in both directions. Too much punishment onto the head of a twelve year-old is certainly bad, but absolution of responsibility is also warped.


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I think the car's passenger deserves some credit here for acting quickly to get the car off the road in what was a highly stressful situation, to say the least. Who knows how many more people might have been hurt or killed if this had resulted in a major pileup.

As to the rest of it.. it's just sad, and a senseless waste of life.
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Sad that he lived... In a just world he would get prison time and lead a life worse than death (I know that won't happen though since your actions basically have no real legal consequences when you're under 18 for some reason... EVEN IF YOU FUCKING MURDER SOMEONE in your "oh, poor me!" fit of self-pity.), and in a perfect world he would've never been born.
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eclad wrote:

Sad that he lived... In a just world he would get prison time and lead a life worse than death (I know that won't happen though since your actions basically have no real legal consequences when you're under 18 for some reason... EVEN IF YOU FUCKING MURDER SOMEONE in your "oh, poor me!" fit of self-pity.), and in a perfect world he would've never been born.


Sully, and the bird that flew into the plane's engine. It is the birds fault for flying into the engine. But the crew and the baby bird lives, cheers, pizza anyone?
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A bird is not a human. I don't hold it to the same standards as a human, and I don't grant it the same rights as a human.

You may be onto something though... Perhaps we should be treating people as stupid as this kid the same way that we treat lesser animals.
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eclad wrote:

A bird is not a human. I don't hold it to the same standards as a human, and I don't grant it the same rights as a human.

You may be onto something though... Perhaps we should be treating people as stupid as this kid the same way that we treat lesser animals.


It's a terrorist bird, it planned it's entire life just to fly into the plane's engine at that exact time in the air when he could have flew to some southern island for vacation .

The kid if falling from a height 100 meter falling at 9.8m/s with acceleration from gravity. The car was 80 meter away driving at 60m/s and the two crash. That kid is a genius at Physics.
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Shit happens and nothing is truly certain in life.

Even I say that I can always die tomorrow by a random meteorite flying at mach 5 though my skull, and there would have been nothing I could of done about it.

To me, this whole story sounds like a stupid pity party of the suicider vs accidental deathee. There was no intentional foul play, end of story. But humanity won't ever just accept that, no, we always need some sort of scapegoat when shit happens!
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Lance_Clemings wrote:

Shit happens and nothing is truly certain in life.

Even I say that I can always die tomorrow by a random meteorite flying at mach 5 though my skull, and there would have been nothing I could of done about it.

To me, this whole story sounds like a stupid pity party of the suicider vs accidental deathee. There was no intentional foul play, end of story. But humanity won't ever just accept that, no, we always need some sort of scapegoat when shit happens!


I'm pretty sure humanity does exactly that. Scratch their asses in response to kids throwing themselves into traffic and saying, "Shit happens! Nothing is truly certain! End of story!"

I'd prefer if humanity were interested enough to try to blame something.

But, it's true that there may be nothing to do in this case. It seems we have already been trying to provide fixes to depression and such.
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Wonder what's going to happen now.
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Kavalion you are so right about humanity
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oh god look at the idiots wanting to blame the kid he was pushed to suicide and by bad luck killed someone else when his attempt was on his own life.

The boy needs a therapist not prison or punishment.
People saying they don't stand for the poor him part obviously have no clue what it's like to try to kill yourself it just goes to show how insensitive and horrible some people are :/

The kid will hate that this happened for his whole life it was an accident caused by his attempt on his life.
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People who say that this kid should be punished obviously have no idea what it is like to attempt suicide. You don't think about what it does to affect others not because you choose not to but because the pain you are suffering from literally prevents you from doing so. If any one should be punished it's the people who pushed him to do this in the first place. Speaking as someone who attempted suicide twice.
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