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Posted 11/1/17 , edited 11/1/17

TheZaphod wrote:

Just remember the next time this happens -

Diversity is our strength...


That's a ridiculous point you are alluding to. Should you really be using such a tragedy to spread your half-baked populism?

Condolences to everyone who is affected by this heinous attack.
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Secret-of-Terra wrote:


TheZaphod wrote:

Just remember the next time this happens -

Diversity is our strength...


That's a ridiculous point you are alluding to. Should you really be using such a tragedy to spread your half-baked populism?

Condolences to everyone who is affected by this heinous attack.


You kidding me? saw a video on Facebook that basically using this tragic event to say "We're muslim and because of this we have to prepare how people will react/treat us" complete bullshit trying to make them seem like a victim.
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You kidding me? saw a video on Facebook that basically using this tragic event to say "We're muslim and because of this we have to prepare how people will react/treat us" complete bullshit trying to make them seem like a victim.


While I see a differences between what you are talking about Facebook and what TheZaphod did and one does not justify the other, I don't think it is appropriate to instrumentalize something like this for any agenda. I think it is important to talk about it and think about it but not in a way to use it to further one's cause.
What happened is tragic, let's not make this about politics, especially so soon after it happened.
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been a lot more death and injuries, and let's not forget the sadistic long term emotional damage. prayers to the families. maybe we should look into vetting better when it comes to those who rent vehicles since this has become the new normal in using domestic terrorism. seems it's easier to get a car than a gun, thus, here's a place where we can vet it, do some research, such as have legit driver's licenses and some background checks. we've had that in effect for fertilizer and now in the UK when it goes to buying acid...
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Where are the people calling for rental truck restrictions?
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D4nc3Style wrote:

You kidding me? saw a video on Facebook that basically using this tragic event to say "We're muslim and because of this we have to prepare how people will react/treat us" complete bullshit trying to make them seem like a victim.


Are you saying the Muslim community doesn't get blowback every time a terror event occurs?


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been a lot more death and injuries, and let's not forget the sadistic long term emotional damage. prayers to the families. maybe we should look into vetting better when it comes to those who rent vehicles since this has become the new normal in using domestic terrorism. seems it's easier to get a car than a gun, thus, here's a place where we can vet it, do some research, such as have legit driver's licenses and some background checks. we've had that in effect for fertilizer and now in the UK when it goes to buying acid...


The guy was legally in the US for 7 years with little to nothing apparently on the radar other than a few traffic tickets, what kind of background check picks up someone self-radicalizing from cell phone videos?


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Where are the people calling for rental truck restrictions?


Where are the people who believe a vehicle used for everyday use is equivalent to a firearm designed to inflict maximum casualties?
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qwueri wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:

You kidding me? saw a video on Facebook that basically using this tragic event to say "We're muslim and because of this we have to prepare how people will react/treat us" complete bullshit trying to make them seem like a victim.


Are you saying the Muslim community doesn't get blowback every time a terror event occurs?


niotabunny wrote:

been a lot more death and injuries, and let's not forget the sadistic long term emotional damage. prayers to the families. maybe we should look into vetting better when it comes to those who rent vehicles since this has become the new normal in using domestic terrorism. seems it's easier to get a car than a gun, thus, here's a place where we can vet it, do some research, such as have legit driver's licenses and some background checks. we've had that in effect for fertilizer and now in the UK when it goes to buying acid...


The guy was legally in the US for 7 years with little to nothing apparently on the radar other than a few traffic tickets, what kind of background check picks up someone self-radicalizing from cell phone videos?


Khaltazar wrote:

Where are the people calling for rental truck restrictions?


Where are the people who believe a vehicle used for everyday use is equivalent to a firearm designed to inflict maximum casualties?


Trucks are far more likely to be able to kill in the 100's of people before being stopped. Guns you need to reload, so its not as officiant to us for a murder spree.

Still the best weapon to use is still Biological.. Its easy to get a job at some food plant, like the place that makes Ice Cream in add some type of poison, bacteria, or vires to the Mix as its being made. If numbers are the target goal. Than you could kill million, 10s of millions or more with such a tact.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Trucks are far more likely to be able to kill in the 100's of people before being stopped. Guns you need to reload, so its not as officiant to us for a murder spree.

Still the best weapon to use is still Biological.. Its easy to get a job at some food plant, like the place that makes Ice Cream in add some type of poison, bacteria, or vires to the Mix as its being made. If numbers are the target goal. Than you could kill million, 10s of millions or more with such a tact.


I'm assuming this is in reply to the last line of mine you're quoting, in which are you seriously claiming "what about lethality" in response to "who seriously equates a work-a-day tool to a tool whose entire purpose is killing?"

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And in response to your assertions, you seem to be basing them off video game logic rather than how things realistically work. Large gatherings of crowds tend to have increased security and road blocks set in place to prevent some wacko from running into a crowd. People tend to pick up pretty quick when a vehicle is being used to attack them, and they aren't going to stand around like zombies in Dead Rising. Part of what added to the tragedy in Las Vegas was the crowd goers thinking the gunfire was fireworks, while the sniper was squeezing off hundreds of rounds into them.

And no, poisoning the food supply isn't some super simple task as you're implying. The kinds of substances that would prove fatal at a low enough dosage to carry into a factory unnoticed are not easily obtainable and safe for the carrier to transport unharmed, most would get quickly diluted into a large batch of anything if it could survive whatever processing the food goes through, and that's all assuming dumping anything into a batch of food would go unnoticed. Not to mention anything in a food supply that makes people sick tends to get quickly identified and notice given to the public. Your assertion is utter nonsense.
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This terrorist was an Uber driver passing their background check 6 months ago.

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Secret-of-Terra wrote:



That's a ridiculous point you are alluding to. Should you really be using such a tragedy to spread your half-baked populism?

Condolences to everyone who is affected by this heinous attack.


It's really just common sense. Diversity, division, divide. "Diverse" comes from a Latin word that literally means "to turn separate ways". Divided we hang separately.
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karatecowboy wrote:

It's really just common sense. Diversity, division, divide. "Diverse" comes from a Latin word that literally means "to turn separate ways". Divided we hang separately.


Except diversity is bringing separate cultures and life experiences together.
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qwueri wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:

It's really just common sense. Diversity, division, divide. "Diverse" comes from a Latin word that literally means "to turn separate ways". Divided we hang separately.


Except diversity is bringing separate cultures and life experiences together.


Diversity just means the state of being diverse, or divided. You're thinking of something else.
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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity just means the state of being diverse, or divided. You're thinking of something else.


No.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diversity


1 :the condition of having or being composed of differing elements :variety; especially :the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization

programs intended to promote diversity in schools

2 :an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities :an instance of being diverse

a diversity of opinion



I'm really not.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/diversity

1.
the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness:
diversity of opinion.
2.
variety; multiformity.
3.
the inclusion of individuals representing more than one national origin, color, religion, socioeconomic stratum, sexual orientation, etc.:
diversity in the workplace.
4.
a point of difference.
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In b4 religion of peace
In b4 all Muslims are the same
In b4 bad arguments of banning cars VS guns
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Posted 11/2/17 , edited 11/2/17

qwueri wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity just means the state of being diverse, or divided. You're thinking of something else.


No.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diversity


1 :the condition of having or being composed of differing elements :variety; especially :the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization

programs intended to promote diversity in schools

2 :an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities :an instance of being diverse

a diversity of opinion



I'm really not.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/diversity

1.
the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness:
diversity of opinion.
2.
variety; multiformity.
3.
the inclusion of individuals representing more than one national origin, color, religion, socioeconomic stratum, sexual orientation, etc.:
diversity in the workplace.
4.
a point of difference.

Yah, those are common misuses of the word. A modern misappropriation. Either way: the bottom point stands that diversity divides. The state of being diverse is inherently divisive.
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