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Yah, those are common misuses of the word. A modern misappropriation. Either way: the bottom point stands that diversity divides. The state of being diverse is inherently divisive.


Common, standardized uses of a word are not "misuse". Neither is describing a single unit (i.e. culture) consisting of diverse parts a misappropriation. Diversity requires accepting or at least living with and around different cultures, which requires a common element of unity to ascribe the parts as a unit. "Divisive" wold be driving those diverse parts out of the single unit or otherwise eroding the bonds that bring those diverse units together.
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qwueri wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:

Yah, those are common misuses of the word. A modern misappropriation. Either way: the bottom point stands that diversity divides. The state of being diverse is inherently divisive.


Common, standardized uses of a word are not "misuse". Neither is describing a single unit (i.e. culture) consisting of diverse parts a misappropriation. Diversity requires accepting or at least living with and around different cultures, which requires a common element of unity to ascribe the parts as a unit. "Divisive" wold be driving those diverse parts out of the single unit or otherwise eroding the bonds that bring those diverse units together.

It's really not a standard. Dictionaries used to be authoritative standards compiled by educated language experts. The modern approach is not an authoritative standard, because their practice is to catalog any popular use of a term, regardless how ignorant and inaccurate.

Diversity means differences. It's the antithesis of unity. You can strive to have Harmony despite diversity, but diversity is an antonym of unity.
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Trucks are far more likely to be able to kill in the 100's of people before being stopped. Guns you need to reload, so its not as officiant to us for a murder spree.

Still the best weapon to use is still Biological.. Its easy to get a job at some food plant, like the place that makes Ice Cream in add some type of poison, bacteria, or vires to the Mix as its being made. If numbers are the target goal. Than you could kill million, 10s of millions or more with such a tact.


I'm assuming this is in reply to the last line of mine you're quoting, in which are you seriously claiming "what about lethality" in response to "who seriously equates a work-a-day tool to a tool whose entire purpose is killing?"

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And in response to your assertions, you seem to be basing them off video game logic rather than how things realistically work. Large gatherings of crowds tend to have increased security and road blocks set in place to prevent some wacko from running into a crowd. People tend to pick up pretty quick when a vehicle is being used to attack them, and they aren't going to stand around like zombies in Dead Rising. Part of what added to the tragedy in Las Vegas was the crowd goers thinking the gunfire was fireworks, while the sniper was squeezing off hundreds of rounds into them.

And no, poisoning the food supply isn't some super simple task as you're implying. The kinds of substances that would prove fatal at a low enough dosage to carry into a factory unnoticed are not easily obtainable and safe for the carrier to transport unharmed, most would get quickly diluted into a large batch of anything if it could survive whatever processing the food goes through, and that's all assuming dumping anything into a batch of food would go unnoticed. Not to mention anything in a food supply that makes people sick tends to get quickly identified and notice given to the public. Your assertion is utter nonsense.






what you said in red is wrong, my job is quality insurance you can test and test, but those are samples taken, it easy to get around if you have the right job. Such as the quality assurance specialist. In that case you charge of the gathering of samples and testing of product.

as an example.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/11/more-than-14-tons-of-pork-and-chicken-burritos-and-wraps-recalled-for-listeria/#.WfuaMrpFzIU

http://www.businessinsurance.org/10-biggest-food-recalls-in-u-s-history/


and those was do to simple mistakes.. Now think just how much damage you can do if you worked for a plant and wanted to do some damage to people.


Blue... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrETepm49UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmzvRtRGb4


green they all tools that can kill.. But its the person who has to use it that way, guns can be tools for sport (such as clay pigeon ) , or self defense as well as killing.

Cars are tools that can be used to go from point a to point be, or a 8 ton device used for killing. Its all the same, in the hands of a killer.



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Only the police and the military needs trucks. Your average citizen DOES NOT need it!
#BanAssaultTrucks
#CommonSenseTruckControl
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karatecowboy wrote:

It's really not a standard. Dictionaries used to be authoritative standards compiled by educated language experts. The modern approach is not an authoritative standard, because their practice is to catalog any popular use of a term, regardless how ignorant and inaccurate.

Diversity means differences. It's the antithesis of unity. You can strive to have Harmony despite diversity, but diversity is an antonym of unity.


You're conflating diversity with divisiveness and unity with uniformity. People can come from diverse backgrounds and be united in purpose. They can also come from a uniform background and hold divisive views. Trying to cherry-pick part of the root of each word does not mean the definitions are the same.



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what you said in red is wrong, my job is quality insurance you can test and test, but those are samples taken, it easy to get around if you have the right job. Such as the quality assurance specialist. In that case you charge of the gathering of samples and testing of product.

as an example.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/11/more-than-14-tons-of-pork-and-chicken-burritos-and-wraps-recalled-for-listeria/#.WfuaMrpFzIU

http://www.businessinsurance.org/10-biggest-food-recalls-in-u-s-history/


and those was do to simple mistakes.. Now think just how much damage you can do if you worked for a plant and wanted to do some damage to people.


Blue... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrETepm49UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmzvRtRGb4


green they all tools that can kill.. But its the person who has to use it that way, guns can be tools for sport (such as clay pigeon ) , or self defense as well as killing.

Cars are tools that can be used to go from point a to point be, or a 8 ton device used for killing. Its all the same, in the hands of a killer.



Red: You're using examples of poor sanitation to prevent bacterium and other microbes, that propagated in the environment the food was grown or raised. That doesn't have a bearing on the ability of someone to 1) get their hands on highly lethal substances that could be sufficiently dangerous in low concentration, 2) bring sufficient amounts of those materials into their work environment without getting noticed, and 3) get that substance past multiple quality assurance agents. Your assertion about millions of people sounds farcical short of an elaborate conspiracy.

Blue: Good argument that trucks can inflict mass casualties, but doesn't back up your claim of "100s"

Green: So you're seriously equating the two. Are you also trying push for rental truck restrictions? Because otherwise why even quote me in that response at all? Other than a meandering off-topic back-and-forth on ways someone could inflict mass casualties.
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Are you surprised?



The guy was let in through the diversity visa program and he brought in ~25 family members. Yes a terrorist brought in 25 family members because of a diversity visa and chain immigration.

Merit based immigration unless you want the USA to turn out like Palestine.
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Ridiculous chart, in so many ways.

Apart from seeming to have no idea about statistics at all, some people here also seem to confuse correlation with causation.
Before you start spreading your nonsense, I suggest you educate yourself in the relevant areas, i.e. statistics, theology/religious studies and cultural sciences.
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qwueri wrote:

Blue: Good argument that trucks can inflict mass casualties, but doesn't back up your claim of "100s"

Green: So you're seriously equating the two. Are you also trying push for rental truck restrictions? Because otherwise why even quote me in that response at all? Other than a meandering off-topic back-and-forth on ways someone could inflict mass casualties.


Actually you are wrong, the France Nice attacks prove that hundreds can be killed and or injured in an truck borne attack with no weapons besides the vehicle. Over 80 fatalities and 400 injuries proves it is a useful methodology and been proven.

Many events occur on streets or otherwise in conditions that allow for vehicles to easily cause mass casualty. Just think of the number of parades that are done in the United States and do not actually have barriers that can stop even a smart car.

That said, again we have clear issues with radical groups in the US, so we need to focus on what is known threat organizations and their affiliated.
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Actually you are wrong, the France Nice attacks prove that hundreds can be killed and or injured in an truck borne attack with no weapons besides the vehicle. Over 80 fatalities and 400 injuries proves it is a useful methodology and been proven.

Many events occur on streets or otherwise in conditions that allow for vehicles to easily cause mass casualty. Just think of the number of parades that are done in the United States and do not actually have barriers that can stop even a smart car.

That said, again we have clear issues with radical groups in the US, so we need to focus on what is known threat organizations and their affiliated.


Eh, fair enough, I'll concede the truck point. The tricky bit in the instance of this attack being the attacker was self-radicalized. Between Isis propaganda and the ongoing investigations into Russian information warfare, the US is facing some hard questions about where to draw the line between privacy and security, and how that will play out on social media platforms.
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i read about this a few years back...

If you are male under 25 you will be charged a higher rate compare to a female under 25 when buying car insurance... if you ask and demand a fair rate .. they will just laugh and state that "STATISTICS" data over the years .,etc.. so pretty much the conclusion is that male drivers under 25 are reckless by nature so you will be paying a higher rate as the result-- you will get the "screw you" answer pretty much.


so...if you also go by statistics.. most of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims no ?.. if i bring up this point i guess i'm a islamophobe?


There's a jogger killed by a drunk woman a few days ago around here... people called out for action.. and yet with each terrorist attack...

any of these fuckers actually talked to the families of the victims of these terrorist attacks before start ranting about diversity/tolerance/peace/love crap... with more and more people being killed by these terrorists.. you can try to sugar coat it all you want but we will see how long people will keep tolerate this..

Terrorism should NEVER be the normal part of life.



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Can someone please explain why the attack in Manhattan was a terrorist attack but the Las Vegas attack was not?
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Can someone please explain why the attack in Manhattan was a terrorist attack but the Las Vegas attack was not?


Because terrorism requires an ideological or political gain that is being seek through violence.

Being a sociopath with no cause is not terrorism, it is just senseless slaughter, and not terrorism.

Terrorism - "the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim"

Shouting Allahu Akbar, and affiliating you with ISIS as you kill people or try to, is meeting the above standard for it.
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Nasigno wrote:


CptSpeirs wrote:

Can someone please explain why the attack in Manhattan was a terrorist attack but the Las Vegas attack was not?


Because terrorism requires an ideological or political gain that is being seek through violence.

Being a sociopath with no cause is not terrorism, it is just senseless slaughter, and not terrorism.

Terrorism - "the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim"

Shouting Allahu Akbar, and affiliating you with ISIS as you kill people or try to, is meeting the above standard for it.


But with an unknown motive the possibility of it being a terrorist attack is still very high. Even sociopaths have reasons for why they do certain things. Also ISIS claimed Stephen Paddock as one of their own which they only do if they are involved.
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