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Posted 11/4/17

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Can someone please explain why the attack in Manhattan was a terrorist attack but the Las Vegas attack was not?


Because terrorism requires an ideological or political gain that is being seek through violence.

Being a sociopath with no cause is not terrorism, it is just senseless slaughter, and not terrorism.

Terrorism - "the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim"

Shouting Allahu Akbar, and affiliating you with ISIS as you kill people or try to, is meeting the above standard for it.


There are reports of multiple shooters and lots of speculation about certain Saudi princes being the financers of the attack. You do not sneak 500 lbs of ammo and guns into a casino without being noticed. Casinos have more security than banks and watch everyone. Making 20 trips to your room to stock up on ammo would be noticed by security or room cleaning.

Some Saudi princes just got arrested on corruption charges.
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There are reports of multiple shooters and lots of speculation about certain Saudi princes being the financers of the attack. You do not sneak 500 lbs of ammo and guns into a casino without being noticed. Casinos have more security than banks and watch everyone. Making 20 trips to your room to stock up on ammo would be noticed by security or room cleaning.

Some Saudi princes just got arrested on corruption charges.


It looks like you need this more than I do.

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jewishrapscallion wrote:

There are reports of multiple shooters and lots of speculation about certain Saudi princes being the financers of the attack. You do not sneak 500 lbs of ammo and guns into a casino without being noticed. Casinos have more security than banks and watch everyone. Making 20 trips to your room to stock up on ammo would be noticed by security or room cleaning.

Some Saudi princes just got arrested on corruption charges.


It looks like you need this more than I do.



Can you explain how to sneak 500 lbs of ammo and weapons into a casino room without being noticed? We are all quite curious.
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Can you explain how to sneak 500 lbs of ammo and weapons into a casino room without being noticed? We are all quite curious.


High rollers can literally do whatever they want in casinos because all casinos are worried about is making money. They don't give a shit about security or possible terrorist attacks as long as their pockets are getting filled.
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jewishrapscallion wrote:

Can you explain how to sneak 500 lbs of ammo and weapons into a casino room without being noticed? We are all quite curious.


High rollers can literally do whatever they want in casinos because all casinos are worried about is making money. They don't give a shit about security or possible terrorist attacks as long as their pockets are getting filled.


That would draw more attention to themselves. The last thing a casino wants is fall out from a terrorist attack causing no one to want to go to their casino.
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jewishrapscallion wrote:


Can you explain how to sneak 500 lbs of ammo and weapons into a casino room without being noticed? We are all quite curious.


Because he didn't?

Just food for thought, since he was using 5.56, and roughly 5.56 weighs around 12.3 grams per cartridge, (takes 37 to make 1 Lb) then to just multiply the 37 by 500, would be over 18,000 rounds. Which is far from the actually reported 1,600 that was stated anywhere. which is more like 43 lbs give or take for the magazines. Dunno where you got this fantasy 500 lb number, but trust me it is not real.

But yes, a 7x11x5 container can hold 1,000 roughly (standard issue can it is sold in by the 1,000). That fits into even most backpacks, forget even luggage as that would be easier. The only thing you got me on is the sheer amount of firearms, as even with take down it would be a few suitcases for that, I think 5 or 10 was the reported amounts but don't quote me on that.

Drop the tin foil hat, and realize that the man had no motivations that is stated outward right yet. Either way it is not terrorism till it actually meets the criteria of political goal, right now it is just a sociopath unlike the Manhattan attack.
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Posted 11/5/17 , edited 11/5/17

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i read about this a few years back...

If you are male under 25 you will be charged a higher rate compare to a female under 25 when buying car insurance... if you ask and demand a fair rate .. they will just laugh and state that "STATISTICS" data over the years .,etc.. so pretty much the conclusion is that male drivers under 25 are reckless by nature so you will be paying a higher rate as the result-- you will get the "screw you" answer pretty much.


so...if you also go by statistics.. most of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims no ?.. if i bring up this point i guess i'm a islamophobe?


There's a jogger killed by a drunk woman a few days ago around here... people called out for action.. and yet with each terrorist attack...

any of these fuckers actually talked to the families of the victims of these terrorist attacks before start ranting about diversity/tolerance/peace/love crap... with more and more people being killed by these terrorists.. you can try to sugar coat it all you want but we will see how long people will keep tolerate this..

Terrorism should NEVER be the normal part of life.




I tried calling them back then trying to prove how safe i am despite bing a male under 25, but no luck. You can sign up a driver ed (will cost you around $500-$600 for the class), it will help lower the rate a bit but that's about it i think.

They use statistics on a lot of things but so the double standard It's all about how fast you can sign on to twitter or facebook to tweet/post about the most recent terrorist attack now a day. It's all about the attention and clicks.

while others gathering clicks , others working on preventive measures

Trucking industry is working to help prevent truck attacks after the latest attack in NYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQukVnn5Ds
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I tried calling them back then trying to prove how safe i am despite bing a male under 25, but no luck. You can sign up a driver ed (will cost you around $500-$600 for the class), it will help lower the rate a bit but that's about it i think.

They use statistics on a lot of things but so the double standard It's all about how fast you can sign on to twitter or facebook to tweet/post about the most recent terrorist attack now a day. It's all about the attention and clicks.

while others gathering clicks , others working on preventive measures

Trucking industry is working to help prevent truck attacks after the latest attack in NYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQukVnn5Ds



some car companies will give you $500 of a new car if you have a driver ed class from one of their certified providers.

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so...if you also go by statistics.. most of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims no ?.. if i bring up this point i guess i'm a islamophobe?


If you go by statistics, right wing terrorist attacks are more common on US soil though Islamic terrorist attacks kill more people per attack.


Since then — from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016 — there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

• 106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

• 119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

• The number of people killed in a given year ranged from one to 49.


However, statistically, its still fairly ambiguous because differing agencies and organizations have different definitions of what constitutes a terrorism. Also, the stats haven't been updated for 2017 which has been a banner year so far for crazy white people and mass murder.

In other words, statistically, no one knows the definitive answer when it comes to attacks on US soil. Statistically you're also far more likely to be murdered by a cow.

Globally and statistically nationalist terrorists still win out over Islamic terrorists.

TL;DR: Domestically, there isn't a definitive answer and the risk is so low as to be laughable. Globally, you're wrong.



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Posted 11/7/17

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dulun18 wrote:

I tried calling them back then trying to prove how safe i am despite bing a male under 25, but no luck. You can sign up a driver ed (will cost you around $500-$600 for the class), it will help lower the rate a bit but that's about it i think.

They use statistics on a lot of things but so the double standard It's all about how fast you can sign on to twitter or facebook to tweet/post about the most recent terrorist attack now a day. It's all about the attention and clicks.

while others gathering clicks , others working on preventive measures

Trucking industry is working to help prevent truck attacks after the latest attack in NYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQukVnn5Ds


some car companies will give you $500 of a new car if you have a driver ed class from one of their certified providers.


Only Mazda (among the ones i checked).
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:
so...if you also go by statistics.. most of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims no ?.. if i bring up this point i guess i'm a islamophobe?


If you go by statistics, right wing terrorist attacks are more common on US soil though Islamic terrorist attacks kill more people per attack.


Since then — from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016 — there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

• 106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

• 119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

• The number of people killed in a given year ranged from one to 49.


However, statistically, its still fairly ambiguous because differing agencies and organizations have different definitions of what constitutes a terrorism. Also, the stats haven't been updated for 2017 which has been a banner year so far for crazy white people and mass murder.

In other words, statistically, no one knows the definitive answer when it comes to attacks on US soil. Statistically you're also far more likely to be murdered by a cow.

Globally and statistically nationalist terrorists still win out over Islamic terrorists.

TL;DR: Domestically, there isn't a definitive answer and the risk is so low as to be laughable. Globally, you're wrong.


source link? how can you check if a terrorist is left wing or right wing by the way? a sure way to determine this? or domestic terrorists are all right wing ?


killed by cow? source link? cow's fart/meat that dangerous?


I think i found the source. is it this site ?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/





wow... to some 911 never happened...




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I think i found the source. is it this site ?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/



wow... to some 911 never happened...


that is the site. the same exact wording This is the report in question

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

I see the link to the FBI website in the article about extremist groups---Domestic extremists--- i guess they forgot to add black supremacists and Antifa left wing are not as tolerrance and peaceful as they are claiming to be. The professor of ethics comes to mind.

**i guess they finally got around to it
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4067711/BIE-Redacted.pdf




https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/teen-website/what-are-known-violent-extremist-groups

read further down the report (starting on page 34 out 62)-- they are listing the attacks

page 39

The Boston bombers killed 3 and that's it ? killed 3 and mangled hundreds!! There are people who can not walk anymore!. The devastation of these attacks

I think there was the black supremacist shooting at the police and the protesters

Micah Johnson killed 5 (6 including himself) injured 11 July 7, 2016 was not included in the report

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-in-dallas-he-wanted-to-kill-white-people-especially-white-officers/2016/07/08/fe66fe52-4553-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html


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Posted 11/12/17 , edited 11/12/17

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:
source link? how can you check if a terrorist is left wing or right wing by the way? a sure way to determine this? or domestic terrorists are all right wing ?


There are a number of government and international agencies that track this sort of thing you know. It's kind of important after all. There is an entire global database if you'd like to browse: https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/



AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:killed by cow? source link? cow's fart/meat that dangerous?


Cows weigh in excess of 1000lbs and, you know, bulls exist. Heck, you are statistically more likely to be killed by a toddler in America than you are a foreign terrorist. No one's rounding up a travel ban on preschools though.




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wow... to some 911 never happened...


9/11 is considered a statistical anomaly when determining probability. Nothing like 9/11 has happened before or since. Although it is the benchmark for perhaps the single most successful terrorist attack in world history. Not because of how many people it killed but because of how Americans reacted and still do react: In fear. Regardless of the actual likelihood.



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Micah Johnson killed 5 (6 including himself) injured 11 July 7, 2016 was not included in the report


Why would an attack you're classifying as far left be included in a report about far right attacks? Plus it is included in the report about far left attacks you edited in. So you might want to edit out your eyeroll here.

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left wing extremists and black extremists were buried under the rug until now. You can not bury their crimes anymore....

GAO-- United States Government Accountability Office
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

This is why I always want the source when someone started blabbing about specific numbers since if you look closely at the source you will start to see a pattern....

if you look at the list they included




extremist attacks on US soil prior to September 12, 2001 never happened.. septemper 11 never happened...anyway...

attacks committed by extremists that are non-white or non-islam related were not reported/recorded?... along with his guy (Micah Johson) there were many attacks of black on white

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-in-dallas-he-wanted-to-kill-white-people-especially-white-officers/2016/07/08/fe66fe52-4553-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html?utm_term=.a3e4e4d89484





the victim of these scumbags didn't die but i remember their mugshots and the crime --



let's not sugarcoating things and put left wing or black extremists on the list where they are belong as as well. The way I see it.. at least the right wing extremist are easy to spot.. but left wing extremists.... they are preaching peace and tolerance but will attack when you are least expected-- shoving their peace and tolerance down your throat..

all we can do is to be vigilance and report any suspicious activity from these extremists-- whenever they are right wing, left wing/black/white/muslim extremists -- don't be afraid and report/record anything suspicous.. you might save a lot of lives in the process.

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They stated that it's. I think the reason why the attacks by black and right wing extremists was not recorded is because they would consider it as a hate crime instead of attacks by extremists.

The way i see it. There are lot of hate crimes if you look through the list. I hate there's a better list composed by the FBI or something. A list that will include extremists from all sides.

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