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Wow his dad forced him to get in his mother no wonder he has issues
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yeah if you start looking at the metaphorical possibilities it get's pretty sick. I don't want to think about what Gendou was doing with Rei
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yeah if you start looking at the metaphorical possibilities it get's pretty sick. I don't want to think about what Gendou was doing with Rei


Fondlin... wait no. um FATHERING her. Yes, that's the word.
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It's funny any fanfic that tries to make Gendou out to be not evil. Tends to put all the evil on Fuyutski... I mention this because of one where he actually was molesting Rei and Gendou nearly killed him.
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Wow his dad forced him to get in his mother no wonder he has issues


Just coming back from where he came from, don't see the big deal.
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Wait, people really don't realize that Gendo is a great dad?

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I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.

Its is just a novel motif, that is all it is. Incorporating an outdated psychology theory as a thematic showing is nothing more just being a "neat" reference to accompany the whole "psychoanalysis" thing Freud was also largely responsible before. Nothing is being said there I believe, and if it was, I would hope it isn't a direct argument for the complex itself.

Yeah, psychological thriller anime, I get it. Can we just not....thank you.
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I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.

Its is just a novel motif, that is all it is. Incorporating an outdated psychology theory as a thematic showing is nothing more just being a "neat" reference to accompany the whole "psychoanalysis" thing Freud was also largely responsible before. Nothing is being said there I believe, and if it was, I would hope it isn't a direct argument for the complex itself.

Yeah, psychological thriller anime, I get it. Can we just not....thank you.


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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.

Its is just a novel motif, that is all it is. Incorporating an outdated psychology theory as a thematic showing is nothing more just being a "neat" reference to accompany the whole "psychoanalysis" thing Freud was also largely responsible before. Nothing is being said there I believe, and if it was, I would hope it isn't a direct argument for the complex itself.

Yeah, psychological thriller anime, I get it. Can we just not....thank you.


We can no longer be friends...........


I am exaggerating. I dislike how much credence we give to someone like Sigmund Freud, especially on his most outlandish claims. You darn motherf#@kers.
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Wait, people really don't realize that Gendo is a great dad?



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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.
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How is Evangelion praising Sigmund Freud?

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.
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How is Evangelion praising Sigmund Freud?



I believe I have read somewhere the Hideaki Anno was inspired by many of Freud's most influential theories, including the idea of childhood influencing future personality, especially atypical or traumatic upbringings, to the idea of psychoanalysis uncovering why one does the things we do with reference to unconscious processes, processes that psychoanalytic therapy seeks to uncover. There is also the rule of three roles here, with Ritsuko's understanding of her mother in three roles as resembling the ego, superego, and id of her mother. Based on what I have read and the rather apparent symbolism, it seems much of Evangelion tends to draw on the Freudian scientists of the day, alongside various other psychological researchers.


And of course, I dislike the nature of incorporating the Oedipus Complex into the work at all. I admit it is neat, but it is one of Freud's most controversial theories. Freud's lack of scientifically methodology and empirical testing combined the infant field of psychology with the hokum superstition of his day. I do admit some of his ideas have merit. I rather just not push the popular notion that his Oedipus complex theory holds any water at all.
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kkmenchi wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.
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How is Evangelion praising Sigmund Freud?


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I do admit some of his ideas have merit. I rather just not push the popular notion that his Oedipus complex theory holds any water at all.


But as Anno has also said about the Jewish and Christian imagery it doesn't mean anything and isn't meant to promote anything they just used it aa inspiration to make a really cool (and confusing) anime.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.
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How is Evangelion praising Sigmund Freud?


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I do admit some of his ideas have merit. I rather just not push the popular notion that his Oedipus complex theory holds any water at all.


But as Anno has also said about the Jewish and Christian imagery it doesn't mean anything and isn't meant to promote anything they just used it aa inspiration to make a really cool (and confusing) anime.



Allegedly, Hideaki Anno admitted that Shinji apparently does have an Oedipus complex, especially with regards to the the hostility between him and his father Gendo over Rei's well being.

Though this is just me decrying what I may inaccurately see as a concept of "Science" be misunderstood yet pervasive belief in popular culture, and perhaps general knowledge. Not sure. I really must ask what the general attitudes is to of the veracity to the Oedipus Complex theory.

Allegedly is a reference to an article cited by Wikipedia and other sources, yet published in Japanese, to which I am not literate in.
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kkmenchi wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am beginning to dislike the series now. We should really stop praising Sigmund Freud. Yes, he was influential, yes, he made some beneficial contributions, but let us not kid ourselves with the Oedipus complex praise.
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How is Evangelion praising Sigmund Freud?


<Snip>
I do admit some of his ideas have merit. I rather just not push the popular notion that his Oedipus complex theory holds any water at all.


But as Anno has also said about the Jewish and Christian imagery it doesn't mean anything and isn't meant to promote anything they just used it aa inspiration to make a really cool (and confusing) anime.



Allegedly, Hideaki Anno admitted that Shinji apparently does have an Oedipus complex, especially with regards to the the hostility between him and his father Gendo over Rei's well being.

Though this is just me decrying what I may inaccurately see as a concept of "Science" be misunderstood yet pervasive belief in popular culture, and perhaps general knowledge. Not sure. I really must ask what the general attitudes is to of the veracity to the Oedipus Complex theory.

Allegedly is a reference to an article cited by Wikipedia and other sources, yet published in Japanese, to which I am not literate in.


Except that's impossible since Shinji had no idea Rei was a clone of his mother.

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