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fredreload wrote:

Yes, you could potentially shut down parts of the brain using magnetic field or electric field. During deep sleep most of your brain shuts down anyway.


This entire statement is incorrect.
rTMS would not "shut down" any part of the brain.
It merely stimulates portions of your brain to either "relax" (lower response) or "focus" (higher response).
Your brain never shuts down while you sleep, not a single part of it.
When you fall into slow-wave sleep, certain parts of your brain goes to sleep (not dead, not shut down - just that neurons aren't as active in that portion of the brain).
Once slow-wave sleep ends, rapid eye movement sleep (REM) begins and that's when your brain lights up like it's a christmas tree.


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Now that I've read through the study, the article is skipping a steps. What's happening in the study is people are responding to a threat to their own morality with an increase in conviction in an ideology that "solves" the problem of their own demise. The effect also extended to political ideologies, not just religious ones.

However, it should be noted that the study primed participants using only Christian themes and invoked reward / punishment because they needed a positive / negative test. They used imagery of Satan, Hell, eternal damnation and all that stuff to prime for a negative. So when the article says "belief in God" that's a bit of a red herring. The implied metaphysical threat in the study was one of judgement. Seeing as the whole fire and brimstone thing is fairly popular with certain strips of American Christianity I can easily see that triggering an over sized threat response in some people.


I also took some time to read the actual study (or, at least, what was available).
https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/11/3/387/2375059 is the location of the study if anyone else is genuinely interested.

I agree that there are quite a few liberties taken in how things were phrased in the linked article.
In order to gauge/understand the aspects of religion, they followed another study's logic.

PDF of their study, in case you were curious.

Between the two, upon looking further into it, you will find that the idea of "reducing faith in God" (sic) was basically clickbait for a news organization that simply does not understand the study (let alone how the concept of faith came into the equation based on the Foxhole Atheism study).
Similar parameters were used in order to gauge one's "flat line" perspective on immigrants to create a standard deviation that wasn't fully accounted for in the article, either.
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jewishrapscallion wrote:
I am just posting current happenings that I don't see. I posted another topic about what was happening on the DNC but it got closed for some reason. Can you tell why I included more than enough links with a wide variety of discussion points http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-1005263/donna-brazile-says-clinton-took-over-dnc-rigged-primaries-and-she-feared-for-her-life#56885807 the mod has not replied to my question.

Are you people referring to Ruji the OP of Daily Donald? I had a drunk calling me and a a couple others Ruji alts in another thread it was strange.


When posting new topics on Crunchyroll, the expectation is that you contribute something to encourage discussion.
Upon looking at the post you've linked in the above response, it appears that all you did was paste links.
It's equivalent to sending an army of URLs to a stranger/unknown person and expecting a genuine dialogue.
In fewer words, it is expected that you post your own thoughts on the matter when creating a thread on Crunchyroll.
Simply posting images, a singular sentence, or a bundle of sources is seldom considered "encouraging discussion".
I hope that clarifies why it was closed.

Focusing on the topic, the user "Secret-of-Terra" has stated most of the facts of the matter.
The phrasing of the article is inaccurate, as rTMS does not "shut down" your brain or portions of it.
As for the notion that the study shows that people who have rTMS tend to have less faith in a deity and more of a positive response to negative letters written about their country by an immigrant, that's pretty much common.
If the notion is correct, it would also imply that those who fear the mortal realm cling onto religion as their protective stance and that they were already slightly fearful of an immigrant prior to the study.
Why so?
Simple: it implies that "shutting down" (sic) parts of the brain lowers the individual's perceived threat levels.

Religion is a comforting thought; that a deity or deities are watching over you and that, on the condition that you do well, you will move to a happier place.
Immigrants are "foreign elements" and people often have a higher perceived threat level from them based off of environmental or subjective factors.
When you lower the perceived threat of not having a "happily ever after" or that an immigrant may or may not come at you with a van, your attitude towards these things will decline.


Ok I think I am getting an idea of what is required for a thread here.

It uses magnets to disrupt normal brain function, or disable as this article used. Either term they used magnets to affect the mind.

They affected the threat processing part of the brain so wouldn't that instead mean that a god either avoids fear in them or puts fear in them?
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jewishrapscallion wrote:
Ok I think I am getting an idea of what is required for a thread here.

It uses magnets to disrupt normal brain function, or disable as this article used. Either term they used magnets to affect the mind.

They affected the threat processing part of the brain so wouldn't that instead mean that a god either avoids fear in them or puts fear in them?


The only thing I have learned on these forums is simply "it doesn't matter what you say, rather how you say it."
Reading back through closed threads, most of them are due to how the argument or discussion descended into a flurry of personal insults and off-topic rants that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic itself.

To summarize rTMS, they utilize a magnetic coil to target magnetic pulses to the skull.
These pulses will stimulate the activity of brain cells within the area that the magnetic coil is focused on.
By causing additional stimulation in one area of the brain, another may reduce its efforts.
rTMS is frequently used on those who suffer from chronic depression and whereas medication has failed to assist them in any way, shape, or form.

The aspect of "weakens faith in God" in the article was a bit of a stretch.
If you read my last response to runec, you'll get the overview.
To summarize, they used "figures" in faith (God, Heaven, Hell, Satan) to gauge whether or not someone was more or less have a religious perspective on things.
In reality, the study only showed who had a distinctive fear of Satan or God and how it decreased after stimulation.


We next tested the effects of TMS on endorsement of religious beliefs following a reminder of death. In a marginal trend, overall avowed religious belief (including both positive and negative beliefs) was reduced in the TMS condition ( M  = 2.95, s.d. = 1.85) relative to the sham condition [ M  = 4.26, s.d. = 2.32; F (1, 36) = 3.74, P  = 0.061, η2pηp2  = 0.09, 95% CI −0.06 to 2.70]. As predicted, this shift was driven by a significant reduction in expressed belief in positive religious ideas. Participants in the TMS condition reported an average of 32.8% less conviction in positive religious beliefs ( M  = 3.05, s.d. = 1.92) than did sham participants [ M  = 4.54, s.d. = 2.26; F (1, 36) = 4.80, P  = 0.035, η2pηp2  = 0.12, 95% CI 0.11 to 2.87]. Participants in the TMS condition also reported less conviction in negative religious beliefs ( M  = 2.84, s.d. = 1.89) relative to sham participants ( M  = 3.98, s.d. = 2.50), but this difference was not statistically significant [ F (1, 36) = 2.52, P  = .122, η2pηp2  = 0.07, 95% CI −0.32 to 2.60] ( Figure 2 ).



In other words, it doesn't necessarily correlate to "faith in God".
If you look at the other source I linked in my last response, you will also see how they determine belief (ala "Supernatural Belief Scale") and how it doesn't yield the same kind of correlation that the original article that was linked suggested.
Also, do not overlook the part of my quote that states "We next tested the effects of TMS on endorsement of religious beliefs following a reminder of death."
That's quite important as well.
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dulun18 wrote:

How do you disable part of the brain btw?


Some form of electromagnetic impulse
Or electrodes on the skull

Or you could hit them very precisely

hmm, i did not realize that was two days old and that this discussion was already three pages in
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me: wanting to turn off my brain to shut the voices in my head up
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