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Posted 11/15/17 , edited 11/15/17
Haven't seen it but I've seen reviews and they seem to say... no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLyJxvqX_E
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You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.
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No...But Black Clover is a good anime in my opinion
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DrunkKanti wrote:

No way. It's fairly mediocre at this point. The animation looks nice though.


HOOfan_1 wrote:
what is? Boruto?

No, Boruto's just okay. If I had to name any show the new king of shounen it would probably be Boku no Hero Acaedmia.


Yeah this guy nailed it. Though, trying to name something as the "new king of shounen" is just silly in the first place. I laughed when I first saw it on the front page of Crunchyroll before the anime even aired. I actually like the manga quite a bit, but giving it a title like that is a bit much, and with how the anime turned out it's even funnier.

But yeah I would definitely say Boku no Hero Academia is the best mainstream shonen to come out in recent years by far.


Yeah.

The problem with Black Clover is it's basically a collection of Shonen tropes with nothing especially new.

We have the Underdog MC with a dream we've seen a million times. Like Naruto, One PIece, and a dozen of those sports and toy based anime.

We have the cool and badass rival character from.... just about every shonen ever including Yu Yu Hakusho, Inuyaha, Bakugan, ect.

We have the MC getting the amazing power that is different and far more powerful than just about anyone elses. Like Rave Master, Bleach, ect.

and the list just goes on.


To Black CLover's credit the end product is NOT bad. A most of these thigns are shonen tropes and cliches for a reason. They are generally popular elements and work well in shonen. But even so it means the end product is nothing too special and anything you see in Black Clover you've definitely seen several times before. If Black Clover just had one really unique element. Like something that took it's collection of tropes and gave it a unique feel then the show might be amazing.

But as it is I can only say it's really average.
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Posted 11/15/17 , edited 11/17/17

If I had to name any show the new king of shounen it would probably be Boku no Hero Acaedmia.


I agree about Boku no Hero Academia.
Its got great action , interesting young and adult characters although not all of them are developed yet , animation is awesome,and the story line is not too shaby. I have read the manga and its your typical shounen title of good vs evil and the adventure of the youth's self awareness and I am going to get stronger theme.

While Black Clover animation quality really dropped alot at episode 7 plus the annoying voice of Asta when he is excited. I am curious how its rating in Japan TV these past weeks. The manga is not bad at all but its definitely not the new King of Shounen







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It's not bad IMO, but agreed with the above posters; it's just too bold of a claim to call it the "king of shonen" with My Hero Academia still so fresh and dear in our collective anime consciousness
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You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.
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No. The kings of Shounen are Dragon Ball (in the west) and One Piece (in the east).
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ParisCubillas wrote:

You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.


Are you trying to refute me? Honestly i never said you had to be "the worst" you just had to be "nothing special" and have a drive to be the very best. Traits all of those shows share, the difference being how much they try to drive the point home that the protagonist is indeed "Nothing special" to the point of being Subpar, and Luffy is not all that regular as he is dumber than the dullest of bricks.
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ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:

You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.


Are you trying to refute me? Honestly i never said you had to be "the worst" you just had to be "nothing special" and have a drive to be the very best. Traits all of those shows share, the difference being how much they try to drive the point home that the protagonist is indeed "Nothing special" to the point of being Subpar, and Luffy is not all that regular as he is dumber than the dullest of bricks.


He is dumber and gets through his problems by sheer brute force. Not training, not Nakama power, not because he is the chosen one. Sheer. Brute. Force. Really he is one of a kind as far as shines protags go. No one has as little character as he does.
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Oh hell no.
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I'd say One Piece is the king of shounen at the moment.
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xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:

You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.


Are you trying to refute me? Honestly i never said you had to be "the worst" you just had to be "nothing special" and have a drive to be the very best. Traits all of those shows share, the difference being how much they try to drive the point home that the protagonist is indeed "Nothing special" to the point of being Subpar, and Luffy is not all that regular as he is dumber than the dullest of bricks.


He is dumber and gets through his problems by sheer brute force. Not training, not Nakama power, not because he is the chosen one. Sheer. Brute. Force. Really he is one of a kind as far as shines protags go. No one has as little character as he does.


Wait are we debating or supporting eachother's points? Cus from what each of us has written i can see this going either or both ways.
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ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:

You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.


Are you trying to refute me? Honestly i never said you had to be "the worst" you just had to be "nothing special" and have a drive to be the very best. Traits all of those shows share, the difference being how much they try to drive the point home that the protagonist is indeed "Nothing special" to the point of being Subpar, and Luffy is not all that regular as he is dumber than the dullest of bricks.


He is dumber and gets through his problems by sheer brute force. Not training, not Nakama power, not because he is the chosen one. Sheer. Brute. Force. Really he is one of a kind as far as shines protags go. No one has as little character as he does.


Wait are we debating or supporting eachother's points? Cus from what each of us has written i can see this going either or both ways.


Your point was that Luffy, Naruto, etc. share shonen traits. My point is that Luffy actually goes against a lot of shonen traits because he is too simple to really exhibit many of them. He cares about family and friends sure. But he solves EVERYTHING with brute force. He doesn't have enough intelligence to be neither a self insert nor a role model.

Naruto is impulsive, but he's decently smart. His thing is that his impulses usually cause him to act rashly, when deep down he is capable of strategy. Naruto also trains a shit load to get to where he is. The training part can be said for pretty much all shonen protags. Luffy trains once. And it's less character development and more that Oda introduced the Logia fruits which were pretty much godlike, so he needed to introduce a new mechanic that can counter the Logia fruit (i.e. Haki).

So essentially, my point is that, Luffy seems like a typical shonen protagonist, but in reality, there is very little noble about him. He is also so impulsive, has so much brute force, is so stupid, that really, he's more of a force of nature than a character.
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xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:


xxJing wrote:


ParisCubillas wrote:

You cant be a King of Pirates if you cant swim, you cant be the Hokage if everyone in the village treats you like dirt, you cant be the King of Mages if you dont have a single ounce of magic power in your body, just think about that for a second and meet me here after a couple seasons when youre wearing Black Clover undies and shouting you will beat your perfect in everything rival like it has been so many times before.


To be fair, not many people can swim in One Piece considering a good hefty chunk of primary and secondary characters have eaten devil fruit. And out of everyone trying to be Pirate King, Shanks is the only one who hasn't eaten a devil fruit. Out of primary antagonists, Mihawk is the only one who hasn't. Luffy isn't anything special in his universe, he's not an underdog and he isn't an alpha dog either.


Are you trying to refute me? Honestly i never said you had to be "the worst" you just had to be "nothing special" and have a drive to be the very best. Traits all of those shows share, the difference being how much they try to drive the point home that the protagonist is indeed "Nothing special" to the point of being Subpar, and Luffy is not all that regular as he is dumber than the dullest of bricks.


He is dumber and gets through his problems by sheer brute force. Not training, not Nakama power, not because he is the chosen one. Sheer. Brute. Force. Really he is one of a kind as far as shines protags go. No one has as little character as he does.


Wait are we debating or supporting eachother's points? Cus from what each of us has written i can see this going either or both ways.


Your point was that Luffy, Naruto, etc. share shonen traits. My point is that Luffy actually goes against a lot of shonen traits because he is too simple to really exhibit many of them. He cares about family and friends sure. But he solves EVERYTHING with brute force. He doesn't have enough intelligence to be neither a self insert nor a role model.

Naruto is impulsive, but he's decently smart. His thing is that his impulses usually cause him to act rashly, when deep down he is capable of strategy. Naruto also trains a shit load to get to where he is. The training part can be said for pretty much all shonen protags. Luffy trains once. And it's less character development and more that Oda introduced the Logia fruits which were pretty much godlike, so he needed to introduce a new mechanic that can counter the Logia fruit (i.e. Haki).

So essentially, my point is that, Luffy seems like a typical shonen protagonist, but in reality, there is very little noble about him. He is also so impulsive, has so much brute force, is so stupid, that really, he's more of a force of nature than a character.


LMAO
Luffy is a force of nature.
I love it.
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