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Post Reply Do you think today's military gets the honor and attention it deserves?
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The men and women of the U.S. military have been at war since 2001 and have made countless sacrifices. During the start of the conflicts there is a lot of coverage from the press. There has been spotlights shown on PTSD, homelessness and suicide among vets, VA deficiencies and honoring past conflicts. Military spending increases have been recently approved and there is a recruitment push to get people to sign up.

All that said is the military getting the respect, honor and attention they deserve, especially in today's world?

I feel like in the past the military and it's performance is used as a political device to point to leadership. That hasn't changed. But what I feel has changed is the attention shown by the press. Military personnel are still revered but in the way Native Americans or the elderly are. Out of respectful obligation. I feel like more time should be dedicated to the people fighting the country's wars, more coverage of how those wars are being fought and more investigations into why those wars were started or why they are continued.

For soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors theirs not to reason why, but I feel the press is letting them down in their obligation to do that for them. I hate the fact that the wars are an afterthought now on nightly newscasts and newspapers.
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Well compared to how Vietnam veterans were treated. I think the troops of today are treated like very well
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I don't understand, why should there be a lot of attention and honour be deserved by the military?
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Cato_Sicarius wrote:

Well compared to how Vietnam veterans were treated. I think the troops of today are treated like very well


If that's the base line that would be easy to agree to. Civil War vets were treated with more respect than Vietnam vets at the time. Many vets were victims of an unsupportive press and public.
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Military survivors get ample compensation from the government but not enough mental health support. My close friend from high school was on a mortar team in Iraq and has permanent ringing as a result. He was given a payed tuition to college, disability, and veteran benefits but there was very little in the way of resources to manage trauma once back in society.

Veterans also report feeling lonely and isolated after war. People establish a brotherhood and a community while fighting along side their peers and this gives their life a social purpose. They fight for these people with them because they love them as brothers do. Once that is gone and they go back to civilian life they seek out jobs that give them an aspect of that back, such as a police job, which my friend is now recently sworn into.

As far as respect -- Who doesn't respect the people doing the work? People disrespect the ones directing the efforts.

With that said how do you discern between obligation and actual respect?

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Military survivors get ample compensation from the government but not enough mental health support. My close friend from high school was on a mortar team in Iraq and has permanent ringing as a result. He was given a payed tuition to college, disability, and veteran benefits but there was very little in the way of resources to manage trauma once back in society.

Post military veterans also report feeling lonely and isolated after war. People establish a brotherhood and a community while fighting along side their peers and this gives their life a social purpose. They fight for these people with them because they love them as brothers do. Once that is gone and they go back to civilian life they seek out jobs that give them an aspect of that back, such as a police job, which my friend is now recently sworn into.

As far as respect -- Who doesn't respect the people doing the work? People disrespect the ones directing the efforts.

With that said how do you discern between obligation and actual respect?



Good question. I'd say interest, advocacy, devotion show true respect. By the press and public. There are a lot of companies committing themselves to hiring vets. That's a good way to show respect. In the press the biggest military based story was the transgender ban. That's an issue that ticks all three aspects for them. But beyond that very little interest, advocacy or devotion is shown towards the military. They can be forgiven for forgetting because the country has been at war for 16 years and it's hardly breaking news. But like I said forgetting those men and women is disrespectful in my opinion.
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The men and women of the U.S. military have been at war since 2001 and have made countless sacrifices. During the start of the conflicts there is a lot of coverage from the press. There has been spotlights shown on PTSD, homelessness and suicide among vets, VA deficiencies and honoring past conflicts. Military spending increases have been recently approved and there is a recruitment push to get people to sign up.

All that said is the military getting the respect, honor and attention they deserve, especially in today's world?

I feel like in the past the military and it's performance is used as a political device to point to leadership. That hasn't changed. But what I feel has changed is the attention shown by the press. Military personnel are still revered but in the way Native Americans or the elderly are. Out of respectful obligation. I feel like more time should be dedicated to the people fighting the country's wars, more coverage of how those wars are being fought and more investigations into why those wars were started or why they are continued.

For soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors theirs not to reason why, but I feel the press is letting them down in their obligation to do that for them. I hate the fact that the wars are an afterthought now on nightly newscasts and newspapers.


HONOR and RESPECT for mercenaries HAHAHAH good joke.
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The men and women of the U.S. military have been at war since 2001 and have made countless sacrifices. During the start of the conflicts there is a lot of coverage from the press. There has been spotlights shown on PTSD, homelessness and suicide among vets, VA deficiencies and honoring past conflicts. Military spending increases have been recently approved and there is a recruitment push to get people to sign up.

All that said is the military getting the respect, honor and attention they deserve, especially in today's world?

I feel like in the past the military and it's performance is used as a political device to point to leadership. That hasn't changed. But what I feel has changed is the attention shown by the press. Military personnel are still revered but in the way Native Americans or the elderly are. Out of respectful obligation. I feel like more time should be dedicated to the people fighting the country's wars, more coverage of how those wars are being fought and more investigations into why those wars were started or why they are continued.

For soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors theirs not to reason why, but I feel the press is letting them down in their obligation to do that for them. I hate the fact that the wars are an afterthought now on nightly newscasts and newspapers.


Now that i'm done being a jackass I can expand on your points


Out of respectful obligation. I feel like more time should be dedicated to the people fighting the country's wars, more coverage of how those wars are being fought and more investigations into why those wars were started or why they are continued.

I agree that they deserve better healthcare and more pay honestly for everything that they do.

The PTSD issue is a huge problem that causes Veterans to end up unable to adapt to civilian life leading them into the pits of despair (homelessness, suicide, etc).

There needs to be more resources allocated towards taking care of veterans after the "proverbial pawn" has served its purpose.

Sadly the government treats these individuals (soldiers/mercenaries/ w.e. you wanna call them) as literal pawns that are discarded after they served their time.

I ask you if our own military and government does not respect and honor the individuals then how can we expect society to act any differently?

If you wanna argue that they do honor them?

Trading medals for life and limb is a blatant dishonor of human life. To think that you can justify the death of an individual by just throwing some carbon copy medal that exists in thousands of homes is a true insult and slight towards the worth of these individuals.

Also theres no way there will be

those wars are being fought and more investigations into why those wars were started or why they are continued.


Are you kidding me?

If they told the public the truth about why were over in the middle east murdering the living shit out of brown people then nobody would willingly join the "cause".

Ask yourself what's easier telling the truth about the ugly side of your war and expecting people to come to foreign countries and tote guns. Or lying to the public about how "they struck first" "OMGGGGG THEY TERRORISTED US PLZ FITE FOR MEH" and having scores of foolish young men rushing to the slaughter house in the name of "protecting freedom" "protecting the homeland" "etc ETC ETC"


Throughout history, war planners have used various forms of deception to trick their enemies. Because public support is so crucial to the process of initiating and waging war, the home population is also subject to deceitful stratagems. The creation of false excuses to justify going to war is a major first step in constructing public support for such deadly ventures. Perhaps the most common pretext for war is an apparently unprovoked enemy attack. Such attacks, however, are often fabricated, incited or deliberately allowed to occur. They are then exploited to arouse widespread public sympathy for the victims, demonize the attackers and build mass support for military “retaliation.”

Like schoolyard bullies who shout ‘He hit me first!’, war planners know that it is irrelevant whether the opponent really did ‘throw the first punch.’ As long as it can be made to appear that the attack was unprovoked, the bully receives license to ‘respond’ with force. Bullies and war planners are experts at taunting, teasing and threatening their opponents. If the enemy cannot be goaded into ‘firing the first shot,’ it is easy enough to lie about what happened. Sometimes, that is sufficient to rationalize a schoolyard beating or a genocidal war.

Such trickery has probably been employed by every military power throughout history.
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Vietnam veterans are the last veterans that I have obligated respect for, to be quite frank.
I have met far too many in the military who have zero commitment to the government or their position/rank.
They're the types that beg for a desk job, doing nothing, getting paid more than the national average, and only join for their own benefit (not the country's).
Of course, this became more of a "per-basis" level of respect/honor for me when it comes to someone who is active military.
With that said, I mean that I haven't as much "generalized" respect for the current-day military and give respect to those who earn it (just like civvies).
Some go into the military for honor and country, some go for personal gain and have zero concerns about "sacrifice".
I have great respect for those who go into the military for honorable reasons.
Dishonorable reasons (self-gain) just seem to defeat the purpose to me.
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I don't really care about lip service toward the military personally. if we truly care about military personnel take better care of them when they return from service and stop starting random wars
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I thought very carefully about how to respond..

Have you ever heard Thaxted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI

In the second stanza,



And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
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And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.


How you interpret that is ambiguous. It is good to value the peace we get in practice that is the result of constant military readiness, while aspiring to the peace such that "her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace."

Although some may disagree, I think our military gets all the respect it is due. It is adequate.
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Dude, you voted for a draft dodger that shit on POWs, attacked a Gold Star family and said avoiding chlamydia was his personal Vietnam. Perhaps you should have had this thought a year ago. >.>





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It needs more, I don't think the Military has ever gotten the respect it deserves.
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Dude, you voted for a draft dodger that shit on POWs, attacked a Gold Star family and said avoiding chlamydia was his personal Vietnam. Perhaps you should have had this thought a year ago. >.>



Not to be the sourpuss here, but....
One year is less than sixteen years.
The OP posted indicating that we've been at war for sixteen years and that he's curious about the overall sentiment toward those who serve in the military.
There's little need to focus on who someone voted for during the Presidental Election when it isn't directly correlating to the topic at hand.

I get that there is a bit of history between those who are frequently active in "The Daily Donald" but it shouldn't bleed out into threads that aren't focused on President Trump's actions/inactions.
Just my two cents in the matter, at least.
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If anything it gets far more than it deserves.

It seems to be the only organisation within the United States that is at least semi-functional.

Unlike the clown car of tragedy that it's government has become.
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