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Posted 11/13/17 , edited 11/13/17
Preface:

Hey guys, I figure since this trend of sexual assault allegations and developments is likely to not let up for a while it would be better if we had a thread just for generic information and speculation. If at all possible I think we should keep it away from accusations that are unmerited until significant information and charges apply (Like accusations that exist in unsubstantiated pictures and internet detective work).

Please feel free to use this thread to make inferences about culture and try and reason out why these things are happening. Any research on the development of predatory behavior in the brain is welcomed. Use this thread to not only discuss specifics but the nature of the topic both Biologically and Ethically.

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New Developments:

Six woman now in total accuse George H.W. Bush of foul play; One says she was 16 at the time.
http://time.com/5019182/george-hw-bush-groping-allegation/


Louis C.K.'s statement in response to allegations.
http://time.com/5019384/louis-ck-apologizes-full-statement/




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This psychological phenomenon is called "moral licensing," and it suggests that people feel free or "licensed to" engage in ethically dubious behavior if they’ve first done something virtuous, Dr. Mullen says.
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when we feel like we’ve done enough to maintain our image of ourselves as good, moral people, we can turn our attention to goals that are self-interested or even unkind, she says. This means that doing the right thing is often inconsistent with our other personal goals.
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"These men [involved in allegations of sexual harassment] are espousing some positions in public that they might feel like earned them enough credentials to sort of deviate from those standards in their personal lives," Dr. Mullen says.
It could seem frivolous to apply the "moral licensing" theory to incidents of sexual assault and harassment, and researchers haven’t studied "this blatant a degree of sexual harassment or egregious negative behaviors," Dr. Mullen says. But they have studied how this applies to racism and sexism in the context of minor transgressions.

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so Psychologists attribute this to "moral licensing", which seems to make sense, though of course, it doesn't justify their actions.
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What you guys/ladies think about all this? How Hollywood came out, after Corey Fieldman beg them to come forward on Pedophilla elite in Hollywood, He and his best friend Corey Haim were molested at young age..

Corey fieldman was saying that Corey Haim got molested by Charles Sheen when he was 13 and Sheen was 21 at that time. But Corey Haim's mother said it isn't true, he got molested by someone else not Charles Sheen. Corey Haim died due to drug overdose other said he die from massive Heart problem..

Source: https://www.tmz.com/2017/11/12/corey-feldman-corey-haim-rape-mother-charlie-sheen/

What you guys/ladies think about all those women and guy came forward saying they rape them? I think most of them wasn't really rape more of a sexual favors maybe? They probably just gave in to someone in power?

When you think about it.. is the Accusers not getting enough from wife? Or why can't they go to some private Brothel? lol

I understand we got the need, but when they say No, NO MEAN NO people.. You can ask, but once they turn you down.. You back off! lol XD
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Isn't it just an abuse of power (power that you've deluded yourself into thinking that your above other people), like if you got connections, wealth, and the power to get someone up the hierarchical ladder or to just kick them off, people will fold to that cause their career, livelihood,dreams are at stake, and in some cases also because they just probably don't have much of any backbone or structure to tell someone to fuck off or just a strong no. I think we really just are trained to put people on a pedestal and give a shit ton of our power to them cause we have such a awful and disgusting self-image, and somehow it's better that way. ( which I think is a result of our cultural tendency to idolize actors, or really just anyone that has power and or influence as if they're somehow above the human condition.)

I think a lot of it has been ingrained in our culture and thus conditioned into us. I think that modern culture still continues to play with hierarchic/archaic views of the world, and dare I say laud them around as being based in reality (Which I think is pretty fucking stupid but hey whatever you like dude.) When it's more based on something reminiscent of power structures of yore, that still serve as the foundation for how we see the world, ourselves, and how we choose to conduct our relationships with everything other than ourselves.

There's religious cosmologies that pretty much has been the greatest influence in culture bar none (Now we have a new contender, one that revolves around science, and people like to throw around "pop-objective" science in the same fashion which is really funny) and is usually a hierarchy (or at least the majority of them have been and it sets the foundation for most societies today, and that pretty much determines the rules of society). At the end of the day we always tend to see someone above us whether that be celebrities, parents, teachers, bosses, If were in school people that are a grade above you, that random person who's really attractive, really smart, really rich, really well connected, really strong, really skilled, some god, you know the list is endless.

How? Because on some level there is a some lack that makes us inferior, some "brokenness", some original sin, a everlasting stain, something we don't have but we need to get in order to finally be "winning", etc. This serves the basis for how we compare ourselves to others to participate in the game, "Cause we gotta win the game, fuck all those losers, I wanna be a winner." A good example is marketing and the ways they persuade you by poking or making holes in your psyche to sell you on an idea to sell you things that can save you in some fashion. That brokenness or inferiority serves as the foundation for this shit and without it none of this really works.

It's okay though cause there are rules of all kinds depending on wherever you live that if we follow it just might save us from our inferiority and/or let us get higher up the latter and and relish over the fact that there are people below us:) However if we don't play along we'll be punished usually in some fashion to some degree, whether that be actual physical punishment, humiliation, someones physical or verbal punching bag, ostracization, getting fired, losing relationships, etc.

Since it's embedded in society and embedded in our mind it (Hierarchy) generally it changes it's clothes and plays out on some level in our relationships, Schools, Jobs, Religion.

Now my opinion is that with this all in place it isn't a stretch to say that this can make someone kinda warped regardless of the power position they hold in society. If someone is beneath you in some fashion we can justify being an ass, manipulating, controlling, domineering, to someone based on the "logic" that they're "below" me (However you choose to define/fashion that) so they deserve it or it's for their own "good".

I don't think it's a stretch to say that this has been going on forever within the higher levels of power/influence of the entertainment and media industry and really anything tbh, and I think the mindset that allows people to be able to justify dominating and controlling people has been passed down in a way that normalized this kind of behavior to an extent. Also like if you hear a rumor you really can't do anything with that tbh unless you wanna go Sherlock.
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George Takei was recently accused of groping a male model in the 80s.It's also interesting to note that in a interview with Howard stern a few weeks prior, he talked about how he would grope men to persuade them to have sex with him.George Takei has denied these allegations,and pointed the blame to Russia.He says that since he criticized vladimir Putins lgbt policies, he had Russian bots spread these "fake" allegations.

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/george-takei-russian-bots_us_5a0a11bae4b0b17ffcdfb5de

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/george-takei-thinks-russian-bots-spread-sexual-assault-accusation-article-1.3628635

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/13/george-takei-told-howard-stern-grabbed-men-to-persuade-them-for-sex.html
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Pedo Biden does this shit in public, imagine what he does behind closed doors.







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ronin99 wrote:

George Takei was recently accused of groping a male model in the 80s.It's also interesting to note that in a interview with Howard stern a few weeks prior, he talked about how he would grope men to persuade them to have sex with him.George Takei has denied these allegations,and pointed the blame to Russia.He says that since he criticized vladimir Putins lgbt policies, he had Russian bots spread these "fake" allegations.

Sources:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/george-takei-russian-bots_us_5a0a11bae4b0b17ffcdfb5de

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/george-takei-thinks-russian-bots-spread-sexual-assault-accusation-article-1.3628635

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/13/george-takei-told-howard-stern-grabbed-men-to-persuade-them-for-sex.html


George Takei has been blaming people who were accused of sexual misconduct charges and saying that people do not lie about such things. Now he is at the receiving end and he wants pity.





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Pedo Biden does this shit in public, imagine what he does behind closed doors.










From looking at those pictures.. that is creepy lol, but I'm sure its not what it seem! >.<
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So, are we just going to ignore how the yearbook presented by the accuser has half of the signature written in a different colored ink?



https://twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859
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I do not care much to discuss this topic here, but C.K. Louis confessing that those things were true is both disgusting but saddening.
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Posted 11/15/17 , edited 11/15/17
One of the comments I read on youtube about this is "The feminist is biting the hand that feeds them." This could be disputed, but there is some truth to it.

While this is sad and such, the #metoo campaign irks me a bit while at the same time Spacey playing the "Gay Card" to get away from the situation was just in poor taste. I always believe that some due process is in place, and such due process is being superseded and passed that some innocent people might get hurt. I shrug that this might be a witch hunt of some kind.

I feel for the victims, both the ones that actually got hurt in sexual harassment and the ones that are falsely accused of such a serious crime. People forget that it does go both ways.

Or as the conspiracy theorists go, "what is up with all these claims? Is the government trying to distract us from something?" "LAWL"
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